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Parliamentarian not executive. Or do we have different definitions of executives?
Sure. Source from the ones who were supposed to be aided is not relevant. Then no evidence for you would be enough. Maybe not even if a leader from Hamas says it out loud. Or a leader from one of those trucks bringing supply.
It bothers you that much someone who looks to prosper and be wealthy? OMG get a life dude.
Just because they avoid to use it in their own benefit. They are just being lazy. And just like I said they are free now to do other things.
Sure. Source from the ones who were supposed to be aided is not relevant. Then no evidence for you would be enough. Maybe not even if a leader from Hamas says it out loud. Or a leader from one of those trucks bringing supply.
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It bothers you that much someone who looks to prosper and be wealthy? OMG get a life dude.
Just because they avoid to use it in their own benefit. They are just being lazy. And just like I said they are free now to do other things.
Indeed, parliamentarian. This doesn't change the fact that this is the strategy of Israel mate 
An real investigation would be a start with real evidences and not what was created by Israel. But again, the fact that humanitary help are helping Hamas is a long time bed time story of anti Palestinian Israelian propagandists.
No, you are just the usefull dreamer of the capitalist system. Keep dreaming mate. We will change society while you sleep.
On top of being completely ignorant about the subject you are literally contemptuous.
What you don't understand is that without training on artists work, there is NO AI. So AI training is theft when done without consent of the artist to use their work.
If you use AI based on artist's non work kept without consent, you are literally robbing the living of those artists.
But i'm not surprised that you defend those kind of practices, you are not what I would call the most ethical individual here.
An real investigation would be a start with real evidences and not what was created by Israel. But again, the fact that humanitary help are helping Hamas is a long time bed time story of anti Palestinian Israelian propagandists.
No, you are just the usefull dreamer of the capitalist system. Keep dreaming mate. We will change society while you sleep.
On top of being completely ignorant about the subject you are literally contemptuous.
What you don't understand is that without training on artists work, there is NO AI. So AI training is theft when done without consent of the artist to use their work.
If you use AI based on artist's non work kept without consent, you are literally robbing the living of those artists.
But i'm not surprised that you defend those kind of practices, you are not what I would call the most ethical individual here.
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Indeed, parliamentarian. This doesn't change the fact that this is the strategy of Israel mate
Yes. We all dream. Some succeed.
The only ignorant here is you.
You are not debating the AI stealing jobs anymore but the rights of the data AI used to be trained.
The whole concept of intellectual property is dumb to me. But we have laws for it anyway.
In this subject I admit without a problem that I'm a bit ignorant. As far I know AI took free internet database to be trained. Why that data has any property?
Defends terrorism and tries to call out about ethics. Hypocrisy in at finest.
Genocide is bad, no matter who does it. But labeling anything as such without actuality of context, is another matter.I don't know enough about Israel and that area to say about such matters. (Extinction has happened and Humanity lives with it; That's just how the world is) I could still voice my opinions regardless.
The way you word your arguments low key reminds me of how I used to argue on the playground when I was 9. I'm not even kidding. You have such a short fuse
this word means nothing in the context you used it
So you think it's OK that person A writes a book, everyone is free to read it incl person B, then person B reprints the book and sells it for profit without asking person A for permission?
Mate, when you carpet bomb a zone, closed it off and prevent any humanitarian help from reaching the city, its called a siege. (and a genocide in that case). Starvation is a deliberate tactic here. Don't play naive, you are already denying genocide, you are already as low as it can be.
Not because they dreamed or because they worked hard. But because of those factors:
- Luck
- Social capital
- Economic capital
- Cultural capital.
Meritocracy is a myth. It never existed and will never exist. And right now, people like you who believe in this myth are preventing the majority of the planet to get rid of that toxic false system that is hurting everyone.
Right now, AI training and the usage of AI in industry IS stealing jobs from artist. Ask any professionnal and you will understand the problem.
When someone draws something or write something, its THEIR intellectual property because its their work that is put on the pages. What you can have for yourself is only a copy of the product, even for free if you are a pirate, but when you use the product as a copy to make it your own and gain profit from it, then its called stealing. Because you are literally using the art of the artist against them to take their place and therefore, their jobs. Any creative will agree with that.
And that what AI does right now when its stolen work.
No.
Ai doesn't take free internet database. It makes copy of the product created by the artists. Those work is not free to begin with. In theory, no one should be allowed to use an image of an artist without their consent, the internet just decided to sh*t a bit on artist's intellectual properties. But since artist can sometime profit from this light put on their work, its not really a big deal for them...
... as people will eventually check for them to create more similar work..
But when people use AI to make profit or their own, they uses the work of artists. They use work that is not free of copyright in the first place, no free data banks. Therefore when people will check to see more similar work, they will just use the AI and not ask the artist. Which means that artist will be put out of work by their OWN work.
Now imagine what Artist think when they see their own compagny replacing them with AI trained ILLEGALY on their OWN work.
Not to mention also the fact that AI are easily recognizable and are, for the most part, lacking most of the time in term of professionnal technicity. So this AI development mayham creates a system that will starve the artists with their own work to create poor quality content that will be inevitably unfit for professionnal sectors (such as concept art or illustrations for example).
This is a blade in the hearth of artists, but also in the hearth of creativity itself that is being replaced by cheaper products with no real potential.
And what happens on 2D and 3D artist will also happens to musician, composers, writers, even actors etc. We need regulation NOW.
When you defend a gov that is trying to terrorize a population to make it flinch, your are the only one defending terrorists. Come back to earth.
Not because they dreamed or because they worked hard. But because of those factors:
- Luck
- Social capital
- Economic capital
- Cultural capital.
Meritocracy is a myth. It never existed and will never exist. And right now, people like you who believe in this myth are preventing the majority of the planet to get rid of that toxic false system that is hurting everyone.
Right now, AI training and the usage of AI in industry IS stealing jobs from artist. Ask any professionnal and you will understand the problem.
When someone draws something or write something, its THEIR intellectual property because its their work that is put on the pages. What you can have for yourself is only a copy of the product, even for free if you are a pirate, but when you use the product as a copy to make it your own and gain profit from it, then its called stealing. Because you are literally using the art of the artist against them to take their place and therefore, their jobs. Any creative will agree with that.
And that what AI does right now when its stolen work.
No.
Ai doesn't take free internet database. It makes copy of the product created by the artists. Those work is not free to begin with. In theory, no one should be allowed to use an image of an artist without their consent, the internet just decided to sh*t a bit on artist's intellectual properties. But since artist can sometime profit from this light put on their work, its not really a big deal for them...
... as people will eventually check for them to create more similar work..
But when people use AI to make profit or their own, they uses the work of artists. They use work that is not free of copyright in the first place, no free data banks. Therefore when people will check to see more similar work, they will just use the AI and not ask the artist. Which means that artist will be put out of work by their OWN work.
Now imagine what Artist think when they see their own compagny replacing them with AI trained ILLEGALY on their OWN work.
Not to mention also the fact that AI are easily recognizable and are, for the most part, lacking most of the time in term of professionnal technicity. So this AI development mayham creates a system that will starve the artists with their own work to create poor quality content that will be inevitably unfit for professionnal sectors (such as concept art or illustrations for example).
This is a blade in the hearth of artists, but also in the hearth of creativity itself that is being replaced by cheaper products with no real potential.
And what happens on 2D and 3D artist will also happens to musician, composers, writers, even actors etc. We need regulation NOW.
When you defend a gov that is trying to terrorize a population to make it flinch, your are the only one defending terrorists. Come back to earth.
copyright is dumb
if there was no public domain and everything was copy righted
marvel wouldt have been allowed to adapt norse mythology and tons of series would never been made
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pretty much
everyone has some factor allowing them to suceed where others have failed
say inheritance or connections to already wealthy people
so you can make a superman film without it.
being plagiarism
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no copyright only serves to increase profits of the rich and allow companies to monopolize on generic ideas that in reality be adapted in a million fucking ways
most stories you love only exist because some ideas are public domain and allowed to be adapted by anyone
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no copyright only serves to increase profits of the rich and allow companies to monopolize on generic ideas that in reality be adapted in a million fucking ways
most stories you love only exist because some ideas are public domain and allowed to be adapted by anyone
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ironically enough
the ''anti status quo'' leftist
is defending rich companies
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You will have to wait 10 years to do that. After that, you can do whatever you want with Superman
You still confuse inspiration with plagiarism. Most stories are not based on plagiarism, they are based on inspirations. One Piece is one of the example of that.
In some cases, copyright do protect the interest of the rich. But fortunatly in others, it protect the artists that work and live from their work.
In a society without the need to profit there wouldn't be a need for copyright laws and AI would be at the service of artists, but we do not live in that type of society, so copyright law must stay put until then.
You are basically showing that you understand nothing to what I'm trying to explain. I'm literally denouncing the usage of AI by big compagnies to replace artists with trained AI Einstein.
Not your brightest strike is it..
You still confuse inspiration with plagiarism. Most stories are not based on plagiarism, they are based on inspirations. One Piece is one of the example of that.
In some cases, copyright do protect the interest of the rich. But fortunatly in others, it protect the artists that work and live from their work.
In a society without the need to profit there wouldn't be a need for copyright laws and AI would be at the service of artists, but we do not live in that type of society, so copyright law must stay put until then.
You are basically showing that you understand nothing to what I'm trying to explain. I'm literally denouncing the usage of AI by big compagnies to replace artists with trained AI Einstein.
Not your brightest strike is it..
I was thinking that in an anarchy,small groups would protect themselves so the coercion factor is already present.
The problem is the law imo. Multiple groups going by different rules create conflict. So for cohesion to exist,they need to compromise and all agree to follow the same set of rules.
Coercion preceds the state. Everyone is capable of violence and people use it to the defends their lives,property and freedom.
This is why these are called natural rights. Its not the state that grants them. We have those by default,because they are needed for a life with dignity.
A state can both protect and violate human dignity.
Btw,i think anarcho capitalism is bullshit. Non agression principle is a fantasy.
guys,this is a miracle! C4N said he agrees with me! WOW
The problem is the law imo. Multiple groups going by different rules create conflict. So for cohesion to exist,they need to compromise and all agree to follow the same set of rules.
Coercion preceds the state. Everyone is capable of violence and people use it to the defends their lives,property and freedom.
This is why these are called natural rights. Its not the state that grants them. We have those by default,because they are needed for a life with dignity.
A state can both protect and violate human dignity.
Btw,i think anarcho capitalism is bullshit. Non agression principle is a fantasy.
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And this is why you can still have transphobic behavior and not realizing it.
What do you think transphobia is mate ?
Oh, I like this term. Yes you are right, its more about hyperindividualism.
I completly agree. Fascism doesn't rise because of evil people. Fascism rises because normal people do horrible things. Once again Andor (Did I told you that I love Andor yet ?) shows just how much bad can do normal people just because they follow a fascist system.
What ?
Are you a billionnaire yet ?
Not in that case mate.
When far rightist are praising your discourse, its usually not a good sign @Zenos7
Just saying
What do you think transphobia is mate ?
Oh, I like this term. Yes you are right, its more about hyperindividualism.
I completly agree. Fascism doesn't rise because of evil people. Fascism rises because normal people do horrible things. Once again Andor (Did I told you that I love Andor yet ?) shows just how much bad can do normal people just because they follow a fascist system.
What ?
Are you a billionnaire yet ?
Not in that case mate.
When far rightist are praising your discourse, its usually not a good sign @Zenos7
Just saying
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