TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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You would've been called a retard back in the day had you claimed that something even remotely close to this was possible.
COMPLETELY irrelevant.
All those scenes are irrelevant. Garp has done fuck all in the instances he dominated Kuzan. He fought a Kuzan that barely used his fruit powers and got an equal fucking Fist clash against an albeit weakened Garp.
What do you mean he did fuck all lmfao?

He handles the situation and tosses Kuzan literally away. He controls the battlefield and Kuzan with the support of the Blackbeard pirates is left reacting to the actions of one man. HORRIBLE fucking portrayal.

His ice likewise doesn't matter against top tiers, because they easily break out of it. At the very best, his high end moves will matter but a majority of his fruit doesn't work on Garp to begin with.

His best portrayal is stalemating a Garp he had legitimate health concerns for. ALSO shit portrayal, he'd be sent flying by a healthy Garp.

When we see the PH scale again everyone will inevitably accept how much superior Kuzan actually was to Garp.
It is unlikely Kuzan is stronger than Old Garp.
 
This Loby wank is nuts
Literally the Konohamaru of shit piece, @TheAncientCenturion you of all people should know better

Smokey is a real character with actual values and principles behind his actions, he has been Luffy’s nemesis since the marines were first officially introduced
He followed him to the grand line then the new world
He is Kuzan’s longtime friend
HE WAS LITERALLY SAVED BY PIRATE KUZAN, who talked to him about him being himself and all that, but now he has done it and mid diffed Garp. Smoker’s whole plot in PH revolves around dealing with traitor scum Vergo. He hated Vergo so much that he teamed up with Law
 
Because fights work like that and always have been?

Cut Smoker in an half wouldn't have done anything since he is a Logia; Law just waited for the heart, and won.

But anyway, Vergo's scene, if not Doffy's, should make plenty clear of what was even back in PH. Now is a hundred times more.



Ask Oda why made Smoker irrelevant. I wanted him to be a big character. Even the old era had two big marines, Garp and Sengoku, but alas.
Smoker is the biggest letdown in the entire manga.

Thought to be th new Garp, completely surpassed even in PH, passed entire DR in a bed saying that even if he had the same Rank, he could not have done what Fujitora did and proceeded to do absolutely nothing for hundreds of chapters while main characters and not-so-main characters changed the world.

What can I say? Shame.
This just the OP fandom having unrealistic expectations. There were never going to be a new "garp". You think Smoker would been on the future Pirate King level? It’s not even Koby will be able to even clash with Luffy lmaoo.

But saying Smoker became irrelevant to the story is just not true at all. He’s gonna bring a big change
the marines alongside Fujitora & Koby ( also the whole Sword gang)
 
What do you mean he did fuck all lmfao?

He handles the situation and tosses Kuzan literally away. He controls the battlefield and Kuzan with the support of the Blackbeard pirates is left reacting to the actions of one man. HORRIBLE fucking portrayal.

His ice likewise doesn't matter against top tiers, because they easily break out of it. At the very best, his high end moves will matter but a majority of his fruit doesn't work on Garp to begin with.

His best portrayal is stalemating a Garp he had legitimate health concerns for. ALSO shit portrayal, he'd be sent flying by a healthy Garp.
As I said. Irrelevant. Garp has won small scale clashes. He went all out while Kuzan didn’t. In the bigger picture he hasn't done shit. No damage dealt, didn’t wear his stamina down, nothing!

Turned out Kuzan was totally capable to fight Old Garp without the use of his fruit, what an embarrassment for the one once called Roger's rival.

Once you see Kuzan’s high end shit it's done for that clown Garp

is unlikely Kuzan is stronger than Old Garp.
Considerably even. Considerably stronger, like, barely high diff.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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This Loby wank is nuts
Literally the Konohamaru of shit piece, @TheAncientCenturion you of all people should know better

Smokey is a real character with actual values and principles behind his actions, he has been Luffy’s nemesis since the marines were first officially introduced
He followed him to the grand line then the new world
He is Kuzan’s longtime friend
HE WAS LITERALLY SAVED BY PIRATE KUZAN, who talked to him about him being himself and all that, but now he has done it and mid diffed Garp. Smoker’s whole plot in PH revolves around dealing with traitor scum Vergo. He hated Vergo so much that he teamed up with Law
I don't like Koby but I'm not going to be blind about how relevant Koby is to the plot, how strong his ties to Garp are and how thematically it makes sense for Garp's protege's to fight it out.

Smoker's not relevant, he's not been brought back with a PU that makes him relevant, he has no ties to Blackbeard or the pirates unlike Koby, he also does not have any recent personal stakes (Garp being captured because of Koby).

Smoker just isn't important in the story. It's the New World's version of Gin, wishing he'll come back when he's just not important.
 
This Loby wank is nuts
Literally the Konohamaru of shit piece, @TheAncientCenturion you of all people should know better

Smokey is a real character with actual values and principles behind his action, he has been Luffy’s nemesis since the marines were first officially introduced
He followed him to the grand line then the new world
He is Kuzan’s longtime friend
HE WAS LITERALLY SAVED BY PIRATE KUZAN, who talked to him about him being himself and all that, but now he has done it and mid diffed Garp. Smoker’s whole plot in PH revolves around dealing with traitor scum Vergo. He hated Vergo so much that he teamed up with Law
These people want us to forget Luffy said he wants to fight Smoker at full power.

Smoker and Kuzan have the relationship similar to the one he had with Vergo and it's his opportunity of redemption.

Smoker and Kuzan talked at the end of PH about what is going on with Kuzan.

The Cryby wank is pathetic. It doesn't matter if this rat gets to top 1 in the verse he's still a horrible written character shoe horned into the story this late in the game.
 

So you think PIZZARO is the reason Garp stayed behind? That guy he dunked on and was able to solidly beat down?

Not the former admiral who's responsible for freezing him when we see Garp?

That's delusional and dumb.
The fact that Garp literally blitzed past Kuzan to attack Pizarro while everyone else was escaping, because otherwise Pizarro would’ve destroyed all the sword marines on the ship, yes because that’s what’s in the manga.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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He went all out while Kuzan didn’t.
You're a professional at making shit up.
In the bigger picture he hasn't done shit. No damage dealt, didn’t wear his stamina down, nothing!
Okay Ndule.
Turned out Kuzan was totally capable to fight Old Garp without the use of his fruit, what an embarrassment for the one once called Roger's rival.
LMAO Kuzan had to use his fruit to fight on par with an INJURED, OLD GARP.

Remove his ice glove and he doesn't clash equally with Garp, he's tossed away and Garp's a little hurt.
Once you see Kuzan’s high end shit it's done for that clown Garp
Well I'm glad your reasoning is all based on your imagination.

Kuzan's one single saving grace is the fact he was able to scar Akainu, so he has one attack that's guaranteed to work on top tiers.
Considerably even. Considering stronger, like, barely high diff.
He's getting blitzed worse by a healthy Garp. He's physically weaker and has worse haki and his portrayal was decidedly below Garps at every turn.
 
Smoker's not relevant, he's not been brought back with a PU that makes him relevant, he has no ties to Blackbeard or the pirates unlike Koby, he also does not have any recent personal stakes (Garp being captured because of Koby).
And you think he won’t be coming back?
:vistalaugh:

Even irrelevant unplanned bums like Midd had plenty screentime
Smoker is one of 3 marines whose philosophies matter in the bigger picture (other two being Sakazuki and Issho)
Rest of marines are filler

Loby is a pathetic scrub who will have some moments here and there but will never sit at the current gen big boy table
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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The fact that Garp literally blitzed past Kuzan to attack Pizarro while everyone else was escaping, because otherwise Pizarro would’ve destroyed all the sword marines on the ship, yes because that’s what’s in the manga.
So why did he stay after Pizzaro's arm was destroyed?

Was he... Afraid Pizzaro would get up and make another one or afraid of Kuzan freezing the sea and stopping their escape?
 
You're a professional at making shit up.

Okay Ndule.

LMAO Kuzan had to use his fruit to fight on par with an INJURED, OLD GARP.

Remove his ice glove and he doesn't clash equally with Garp, he's tossed away and Garp's a little hurt.

Well I'm glad your reasoning is all based on your imagination.

Kuzan's one single saving grace is the fact he was able to scar Akainu, so he has one attack that's guaranteed to work on top tiers.

He's getting blitzed worse by a healthy Garp. He's physically weaker and has worse haki and his portrayal was decidedly below Garps at every turn.
Continue digging your own grave Lac. I don't need more proof than PH to tell you that Kuzan washes this Old bozo. Legit Prime Garp vs Aokiji has become debatable.

Garp’s hype was executed in Hachinosu. Blud turned out to be a normal retired Admiral.
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He’s going to be the fleet admiral of the marines but that’s just going to be like Carrot being queen of Zou and Momo being Shogun of wano.
In an epilogue that takes place like 10 years after the current story. Who the fuck cares.
 
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