General & Others Next Straw Hat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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- Tags #c4ng2g carrot fans are still losers carrot haters are real losers seethe at the rabbit carrot is doing nothing because she doesn't matter carrot will never join the straw hats carrot's story never even began cry about carrot everyone else in the verse neg diffs the bunny imagine thinking stussy won't join its over furry bros keep the bunny on zou nobody else needs her let it go furry bros momo is breeding yamato no character is less relevant than carrot oden larper fans can't read stussy > carrot & yamato stussy supremacy who will be the next nakama of the week? yamato always had a better chance than carrot yamato story is over
I dunno i see vague female luffy allies all the same way, i'm racist like that.
Someone tag that Tama fan 
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Bonney can be an adult whenever she wants and has an actual strong fruit.
Tama is completely useless. Fruit is too situational, has no abilities elsewhere, stuck in a toddler body till she naturally grows up.
Bonney definitely better
Tama is completely useless. Fruit is too situational, has no abilities elsewhere, stuck in a toddler body till she naturally grows up.
Bonney definitely better
Join on the Kuma train bro. Still alive and also established preTS:cheers:
Luffy vs. Teach
Zoro vs. Shiryu
Nami vs. York (weather sorcery vs. blue sea science)
Usopp vs. Auger
Sanji vs. Burgess (he has the buff-buff fruit and is not no. 1 for nothing)
Chopper vs. Doc Q
Robin vs. Devon (i thought Nami would be her match up until York theory came up)
Franky vs. Vasco (soda enjoyer vs. wine enjoyer)
Brook vs. Laffite (they came from West Blue, they're former officer/soldier, and have hypnosis abilities)
Jinbe vs. Wolf (outside the monster trio, only Jinbe as SH has experience of fighting a giant of this magnitude)
Kuma vs. Pizarro (benevolent/malevolent, humble/arrogance, and they're both former kings from south/north blue?
Interesting theory on Kuzan, although I mostly saw him being loyal to BBP until the very end, then doing the switcheroo.
Arguably, if Sanji does get his time to shine and somehow overpowers Kizaru, then admirals would seem like below M3 level and an ex admiral (without a leg and an arm btw) might seem plausible, but there are too many "what ifs" and recent Aokiji anime hype.
As for Vegapunks I'm a little meh for them joining tbh, I don't really like the concept of many Vegapunks, it will be weird to me how they can survive w/o Stella even though they all kinda share the same brain, so I'd be more content if the whole bunch joins Revos (due to VP past with Dragon), and SHP go their separate ways. As you said, we still miss a flashback for them, only for the old man, and both VP and Kuma are on the verge of death at the moment.
I still love the fact that Caribou wants to join BBP, although I was under impression that Caribou already works for them when he had his "I gotta tell this person" thoughts!
Pluton plot seems to be interesting, too, Caribou knows that Want isn't protected well and nothing stops BB from dropping there. I would love SHP to go to Elbaf, but it might be the case that the giant plot is resolved via sailing together with th giants? And if Wano is in trouble, will Luffy go back?
Arguably, if Sanji does get his time to shine and somehow overpowers Kizaru, then admirals would seem like below M3 level and an ex admiral (without a leg and an arm btw) might seem plausible, but there are too many "what ifs" and recent Aokiji anime hype.
As for Vegapunks I'm a little meh for them joining tbh, I don't really like the concept of many Vegapunks, it will be weird to me how they can survive w/o Stella even though they all kinda share the same brain, so I'd be more content if the whole bunch joins Revos (due to VP past with Dragon), and SHP go their separate ways. As you said, we still miss a flashback for them, only for the old man, and both VP and Kuma are on the verge of death at the moment.
I still love the fact that Caribou wants to join BBP, although I was under impression that Caribou already works for them when he had his "I gotta tell this person" thoughts!
Pluton plot seems to be interesting, too, Caribou knows that Want isn't protected well and nothing stops BB from dropping there. I would love SHP to go to Elbaf, but it might be the case that the giant plot is resolved via sailing together with th giants? And if Wano is in trouble, will Luffy go back?
This is nothing new. I remember way back when, Paulie was considered a serious SH candidate by many right up until Franky's underwear was stolen from him. There's plenty of characters across numerous arcs, this is not any different with Carrot. The reason Yamato is distinctly different is the Yamato thing was a complete cop-out as Oda was literally telling us over and over again during the arc that Yamato would join the crew (the only addition that had it spelled out even remotely close to this was Zoro and Brook); only to 180 at the last second.
The key thing still remains whether it narratively makes sense for a character to join the crew (usually using personal long-term dreams/goals as a conduit for this). On that front, Carrot was never it. Same with Rebecca. Same with Shirahoshi. Same with Hancock. Same with Paulie. Same with Bellamy. Same with Wiper. Same with Vivi.
Oda fucked around with Yamato, but Carrot isn't on that scope. It's just Yamato. But yes, ever since then it's hard to go all-in on a single candidate or trust whether anyone new will even join the crew going forwards at all. It's clear that Kuma and Bonney will be crucial to the story going forward - I expect that, if Kuma 'dies', Bonney joins the crew. Otherwise, she goes to the Revolutionaries and takes all the Pacifistas with her and gets her own 3bn bounty
The key thing still remains whether it narratively makes sense for a character to join the crew (usually using personal long-term dreams/goals as a conduit for this). On that front, Carrot was never it. Same with Rebecca. Same with Shirahoshi. Same with Hancock. Same with Paulie. Same with Bellamy. Same with Wiper. Same with Vivi.
Oda fucked around with Yamato, but Carrot isn't on that scope. It's just Yamato. But yes, ever since then it's hard to go all-in on a single candidate or trust whether anyone new will even join the crew going forwards at all. It's clear that Kuma and Bonney will be crucial to the story going forward - I expect that, if Kuma 'dies', Bonney joins the crew. Otherwise, she goes to the Revolutionaries and takes all the Pacifistas with her and gets her own 3bn bounty
If Carrot was more similiar to all those potential candidates and not Yamato that should give you pause as to why people thought Yamato was going to join.
It was just because she said she wanted to, that's it. She was kinda of an asspull out of nowhere but she had her 5 minute of fame, backstory, protagonism etc and said she wanted to join.
Carrot also set sailed with the SH for 2 large arcs, and that's unheard of for SH candidates except for Vivi, Momo and Kinemon and those are considered honoraries.
I've said this multiple times before they have strong points for diferent things, Yamato has a better backstory but 0 crew interactions/relations, Carrot is the opposite. You could say the same for role or dream or whatever other random criteria you can come up with.
Neither of them were 100% candidate material, there hasn't been a good one since Brook, since they also never have a role, Jimbei's was a complete asspull.
The best candidate since the new world was literally Momo but he was obviously never going to join. So you can think that Yamato was on a league of her own but that's 90% oriented by the fact she said she wanted to join the SH, which is unheard of, but i guess it shows that matter for nothing.
Someone tag that Tama fan
And btw at this point i don't consider any criteria an even strong criteria that a new SH will join, if any even will, except for role.
Dream, backstory, protagonism, saying they will join, whatever personal theory you have that works for SHs, it all means half of what i thought mattered to the story.
I'm at the point when i will only jump on a train of new nakama, when Luffy literally goes to an island and says "we need an X", e.g, goes to Egghead and says " we need a scientist on the crew", if that were to happen i'd be all for team Vegapunk.
Because at least Oda has wrote himself into a corner where he can't just go "Nami, role: navigator ; Kuma, role: just chillin".
Dream, backstory, protagonism, saying they will join, whatever personal theory you have that works for SHs, it all means half of what i thought mattered to the story.
I'm at the point when i will only jump on a train of new nakama, when Luffy literally goes to an island and says "we need an X", e.g, goes to Egghead and says " we need a scientist on the crew", if that were to happen i'd be all for team Vegapunk.
Because at least Oda has wrote himself into a corner where he can't just go "Nami, role: navigator ; Kuma, role: just chillin".
Welp in this chapter, they put vivi in when the panel says luffy and the gang, not to mention the giant come to rescue SH because they heard the "big news".
There no way they can print the news paper that fast not to mention to spread it arround. And the giant need time to sail from elbaf to vp island after reading it.
This what probably really happen, They are landing on elbaf, vivi recognize dory and brogy, tell what happen about luffy, giant going to pick sh back to elbaf and then little garden reunion.
Let see if this true.
There no way they can print the news paper that fast not to mention to spread it arround. And the giant need time to sail from elbaf to vp island after reading it.
This what probably really happen, They are landing on elbaf, vivi recognize dory and brogy, tell what happen about luffy, giant going to pick sh back to elbaf and then little garden reunion.
Let see if this true.
You're really overthinking this. People thought Yamato was going to join because of three reasons in particular.
1. Luffy outright stated they were going to join the crew (like with Zoro)
2. Yamato outright stated they were going to join the crew TO THE CREW
3. Luffy had asked Yamato to join the crew early in the raid (like with Brook)
Carrot isn't close. Carrot doesn't qualify. Carrot, narratively, NEVER even came across like a candidate, whereas Yamato being a foil of Oden made it come across like they were a certain inclusion in the crew. People saw her dodge Zoro's sword, and one never-repeated gimmick of her liking to be petted on the head, and thought that made her strawhat material. It was and remains delulu.
Also how's Jinbei an asspull? He has a role. He's an exceptionally skilled Helmsman of the crew. If I remember correctly his introductory title card in Wano stated as such. Pointless tangent anyway - can you stay on point please?
I'm not discussing who is and isnt' a good candidate. Objectively, Oda made it clear that Yamato was going to join the crew until Oda fucked with the audience. Now nobody can confidently say for sure what constitutes a candidate anymore. That's my point, with my secondary point being Carrot was never a candidate and those who thought she was do not understand one piece and need to re-read and review the arcs for other Strawhats (best example being Brook on Thriller Bark and Chopper on Drum Island).
1. Luffy outright stated they were going to join the crew (like with Zoro)
2. Yamato outright stated they were going to join the crew TO THE CREW
3. Luffy had asked Yamato to join the crew early in the raid (like with Brook)
Carrot isn't close. Carrot doesn't qualify. Carrot, narratively, NEVER even came across like a candidate, whereas Yamato being a foil of Oden made it come across like they were a certain inclusion in the crew. People saw her dodge Zoro's sword, and one never-repeated gimmick of her liking to be petted on the head, and thought that made her strawhat material. It was and remains delulu.
Also how's Jinbei an asspull? He has a role. He's an exceptionally skilled Helmsman of the crew. If I remember correctly his introductory title card in Wano stated as such. Pointless tangent anyway - can you stay on point please?
I'm not discussing who is and isnt' a good candidate. Objectively, Oda made it clear that Yamato was going to join the crew until Oda fucked with the audience. Now nobody can confidently say for sure what constitutes a candidate anymore. That's my point, with my secondary point being Carrot was never a candidate and those who thought she was do not understand one piece and need to re-read and review the arcs for other Strawhats (best example being Brook on Thriller Bark and Chopper on Drum Island).
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Jinbei‘s role wasn’t an asspull, there was very good reason to think that a helmsman would join the crew since Jaya
There‘s a Luffy counterpart, a Usopp counterpart, a Chopper counterpart, we found out in a databook that Lafitte was a Nami counterpart.
There was some question of whether the epithet meant Burgess would fight Zoro instead, but then the question was why not just make him a fighter like Zoro is, or even a first mate? Why specifically helmsman?
Later on a question of whether helmsman/shipwright was close enough to fight Franky.
Then ID happened and Shiryu came along instead, along with a bunch of other characters to parallel the remaining Strawhats (including a Colossal Battleship for Franky the shipwright).
So again, we go back to looking at the Burgess, wonder why he’s specifically given the role of Helmsman. Jinbei gets invited to join, people go back and see he helmed the ship at ID, he helms his little boat in his cover story, and it makes a lot of sense for the First Son of the Sea, a Fishman, to be the Strawhat helmsman.
There‘s a Luffy counterpart, a Usopp counterpart, a Chopper counterpart, we found out in a databook that Lafitte was a Nami counterpart.
There was some question of whether the epithet meant Burgess would fight Zoro instead, but then the question was why not just make him a fighter like Zoro is, or even a first mate? Why specifically helmsman?
Later on a question of whether helmsman/shipwright was close enough to fight Franky.
Then ID happened and Shiryu came along instead, along with a bunch of other characters to parallel the remaining Strawhats (including a Colossal Battleship for Franky the shipwright).
So again, we go back to looking at the Burgess, wonder why he’s specifically given the role of Helmsman. Jinbei gets invited to join, people go back and see he helmed the ship at ID, he helms his little boat in his cover story, and it makes a lot of sense for the First Son of the Sea, a Fishman, to be the Strawhat helmsman.
