Wait what lol? When did that happen?
The hellsman position wasn't an asspull just Jimbei being that, i will admit he did carry the ship from ID to marine ford ( i jsut re-read that part) but it was as background noise as possible.
I'm not going to open a Carrot v Yamato again to ressurect this dead thread, but what do you mean Yamato objectively was going to join the crew? In the sense that Oda wrote that she said that constantly?
Yeah that's my point, but i think it's more delulu to say Yamato is in a category of her own when you have characters like Momo, Kinemon, Vivi even perhaps Law, which had much more going for them than Yamato. Yamato was an asspull she literally came out of nowhere and the novelty of her saying she wanted to join is what made most people think she's joining, it was all shit writting, but maybe that's jsut your perspective because as far as i rebember, after her initial introduction she was heavely relegated to being near Momo and given some other hints that's she's not joining.
For you that maybe makes her be in a category of her own but for others that's not the case, there's people who consider being the one of the main characters of wano to be a SH candidate, Yamato was not that, Wano was just overbloated with characters to the point people were discussing Tama and Momo joining as aprentices and it made sense, Yamato wasn't special in that aspect. There's other aspect that i can even personally bring up that makes her inferior to other candidates:
1. Her dream was Oden which could imply protecting Wano or setting out to sea (Oda choose the first rather than the latter)
2. She had absolutely 0 crew interactions with the rest crew, which never happens to SH candidates but instead to Rebeca like characters.
3. The arc wasn't even centered around her in any way, it was overbloated with characters and she came at the end.
Even Morj as right as he is called out that Yamato wasn't going to join, because he had his own criteria of SH candidate never asking to join the crew and being initially adversarial to Luffy, only later to want to join the crew. She was written with a horrible bait and switch, that's what makes her diferent, you can blame Oda for not writting properly but all he has to do is continue to be shit writter in that aspect and Yamato will not even be discussed again in the story till the final war.
Jinbei‘s role wasn’t an asspull, there was very good reason to think that a helmsman would join the crew since Jaya
There‘s a Luffy counterpart, a Usopp counterpart, a Chopper counterpart, we found out in a databook that Lafitte was a Nami counterpart.
There was some question of whether the epithet meant Burgess would fight Zoro instead, but then the question was why not just make him a fighter like Zoro is, or even a first mate? Why specifically helmsman?
Later on a question of whether helmsman/shipwright was close enough to fight Franky.
Then ID happened and Shiryu came along instead, along with a bunch of other characters to parallel the remaining Strawhats (including a Colossal Battleship for Franky the shipwright).
So again, we go back to looking at the Burgess, wonder why he’s specifically given the role of Helmsman. Jinbei gets invited to join, people go back and see he helmed the ship at ID, he helms his little boat in his cover story, and it makes a lot of sense for the First Son of the Sea, a Fishman, to be the Strawhat helmsman.
There‘s a Luffy counterpart, a Usopp counterpart, a Chopper counterpart, we found out in a databook that Lafitte was a Nami counterpart.
There was some question of whether the epithet meant Burgess would fight Zoro instead, but then the question was why not just make him a fighter like Zoro is, or even a first mate? Why specifically helmsman?
Later on a question of whether helmsman/shipwright was close enough to fight Franky.
Then ID happened and Shiryu came along instead, along with a bunch of other characters to parallel the remaining Strawhats (including a Colossal Battleship for Franky the shipwright).
So again, we go back to looking at the Burgess, wonder why he’s specifically given the role of Helmsman. Jinbei gets invited to join, people go back and see he helmed the ship at ID, he helms his little boat in his cover story, and it makes a lot of sense for the First Son of the Sea, a Fishman, to be the Strawhat helmsman.
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I'm not going to open a Carrot v Yamato again to ressurect this dead thread, but what do you mean Yamato objectively was going to join the crew? In the sense that Oda wrote that she said that constantly?
Yeah that's my point, but i think it's more delulu to say Yamato is in a category of her own when you have characters like Momo, Kinemon, Vivi even perhaps Law, which had much more going for them than Yamato. Yamato was an asspull she literally came out of nowhere and the novelty of her saying she wanted to join is what made most people think she's joining, it was all shit writting, but maybe that's jsut your perspective because as far as i rebember, after her initial introduction she was heavely relegated to being near Momo and given some other hints that's she's not joining.
For you that maybe makes her be in a category of her own but for others that's not the case, there's people who consider being the one of the main characters of wano to be a SH candidate, Yamato was not that, Wano was just overbloated with characters to the point people were discussing Tama and Momo joining as aprentices and it made sense, Yamato wasn't special in that aspect. There's other aspect that i can even personally bring up that makes her inferior to other candidates:
1. Her dream was Oden which could imply protecting Wano or setting out to sea (Oda choose the first rather than the latter)
2. She had absolutely 0 crew interactions with the rest crew, which never happens to SH candidates but instead to Rebeca like characters.
3. The arc wasn't even centered around her in any way, it was overbloated with characters and she came at the end.
Even Morj as right as he is called out that Yamato wasn't going to join, because he had his own criteria of SH candidate never asking to join the crew and being initially adversarial to Luffy, only later to want to join the crew. She was written with a horrible bait and switch, that's what makes her diferent, you can blame Oda for not writting properly but all he has to do is continue to be shit writter in that aspect and Yamato will not even be discussed again in the story till the final war.
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