Otoh looking at the other game, you did it with the worst outcome for town, isn't that a thing that makes you think?
Stop clearing players and fight for reads when your confidence is based on such shallow reasons.
This is like town you but now I don't even know if you didn't start to fake it because it helps you in scum games.
you are gutsy. I like it, somehow even reading later half of the game i couldn't felt this gut while pushing for a lynch. My issue with you is you're making good point but you're not trying to actually lead to a lynch.
Your stand on Pot, for example was clear and good. But aiming for Ultra and Michele, maybe you don't like to focus on inactives. First time playing with you, but I think with your presence you could've saved the mislynch as town and you didn't believed in the lynches either. Which make me doubtful that you are sitting on the fence while pushing Ultra or other player that yk are active and less likely to get lynched.
Flowa I also want to know why you strong leaned me Town after I read Michelle a strong Townie. I don't think I posted a lot by then.
Initially i thought you tried to pocket me but I don't think I'm that a good player you'd. So I just thought might be just your vibe read.
But my issue with you is same as Pot mentioned you're agressive and aren't trying to game solve the slot until the very end until the flip. Isn't that how it should be?
In Kiku case, Red Night stand was very Townie, he pulled back his vote the moment he read the reasons, and made his stand very clear it's no reason to vote him and that was right. I understand if your role is formatted different but that's assuming every role has a formal name. You didn't consider that possibility that a another player was putting himself out with same format, reduce the chances of Kiku being scum because of his role description format.
You didn't thought that? It's unclear to me where should I put you in my reads, you could've easily pushed me when I was absent rather said I play by feels and vibes, which is something I expect Townie Flowa to say but your pushes on the lynches has been with the feelings they have to just gooo. No more thoughts.
Michelle
Post where they pinged everybody / frustration with the thread state is pretty village alligned, seems interested in solving and is p agressive. Probably never going to shake on this read.
Ultra
Hi, I think you're probably town here due to the confidence of your reads. Mostly on the Flower push, but can you elaborate on why you're pushing Michelle here, given I think she's really villagery especially as of late @Ultra. I don't really see Michelle / Flower here being SvS either, so if you're still on the angle of Flower being wolf here given p#168, bit confused why you would vote Michelle. Can you look at Michelle's ISO if you have time? I think they're just. yeah.
Yoho
Hi Yoho, not very confident on your read. I think that your most recent post IE: Adamant that you're town feels village alligned, but I can't see the point in interrogating people for flavor @Yoho. I only didn't stop that last game since I was wolf and wanted to pocket you, feel like it's my obligation to point out that it doesn't really gain much for village to out flavor given scum no matter what is likely going to stick to the same flavor. It's mostly Yoho's most recent post that I like here, and the basic binary questionings of are you scum for a simple reaction test is probably villagery.
Jag
Asking how you're read especially from a new player is normally >rand scum given scum wants to know there thread positioning, for ego bosting curiosity or seeing what they can get away with. Town can sometimes too but I generally see it more from woof, small thing. Also, a lack of solving in this directon and a lack of blatent town telling, feels like they're just lurking in thread in all honesty . The posts regarding Reloaded are generally village alligned I think though, feels like a new players form of solving.
Cal
Not very confident in this read, due to the qouted messages. I don't like pushing Michelle since I have her as lock V, of course his read could have changed since he most recently posted but I can't find that in his ISO. Ultra / Flower SvS read (two very strong players) who would easily just powerwolf especially on worstgen. The only thought that comes to mind if they're SvS is that they're throwing so that read coming to mind feels really wolfy. @RippedCal can you elaborate on your thought process of Ultra / Flower SvS? I can't see that angle at all, and has your read on Michelle updated?
I don't like the Yoho read here due to lack of elaboration, can you give more thoughts on that? The only thing near them there is them character speculating on Michelle which you justified with it didn't feel predatory, but can't a scum have not predatory thoughts. I get a town lean here but it seems like a jump to make. I'm also not sure on you being self depricating here given from what I've seen you're genuinly kind of a very yknow confident player if you get what I mean.
Feels genuine analyzing what a scum player would do in this instance, can see it coming from both village and wolf here granted.
Flower
Not to confident in this read either. I don't like there reaction to Ultra scum reading them and calling Ultra v, felt a bit pockety when I think a GTH village reaction is to OMGUS on Ultra here, especially when she respects Ultra as a player and Ultra's read on her. @Flower can you elaborate on why you think Ultra is town? I get you think that S!Ultra would attempt to pocket you, but can't Ultra make the WIFOM argument of that?
Can you also elaborate on a few of the posts below:
This Jag read feels super weird given for Jag he didn't do anything the first few pages, it was just him getting the hang of the game and didn't make any real reads. Especially this early on so I'm confused what you mean by this, do you think you can give me an example of a few posts you thought were solvy from Jag?
Can you elaborate on this Red Night read? I don't actually think they're very wolfy this game and I'm kind of confused where you're coming to this conclusion.
This feels like a kind of town alligned read although, specifically calling yourself town as a gut reaction. The more I think about it the more I'm just not sure about this read, given S!Flower might just try to OMGUS? This is why I hate dealing with god reads. Thinking of just sheeping Ultra here and moving on in all honesty.
That's all of the actual like, qouting I'm going to do for now. I skimmed other ISO's and if you wanted GTHs on other posters:
Polar Bear
Indigo
Yo Tan Wa
Reloaded
Red Night
The Orca
Pot Goblin
1- Flower - not a fan of her game opening and self proclaiming town solving with just a few questions and asking for GTHs before giving anything. Aggresivity similar with town games, jumping to fast reads same, but idk how hard or easy is to fake those and I don't have time to meta dive in her latest scum games. Not a toDay lynch anyway.
2- Polar Bear - his claim of a kind of godread for me feels weird. He is right, but for the wrong reason and I don't like the explanation. Not for toDay, he probably can clear himself if town.
3- Kiku - intention to fluff. Idk.
4- Pot Goblin - he looks like he's trying. Very weak town lean.
5- The Orca - what was that mindmeld with Red for? Can go either way imo, same as Polar
6- Jaguark101 - pure soul, regardless alignament. Upper part of null, slightly towny.
7- Yoho - my feelings was he is role fishing. I want something from him. Lowest part of null
8- Luka - i need time to see where the reads are going. The tone is improved compared to the other game, but tone is not so much AI for him. I want him to be town. Would that be enough?
9- Indigo - I forgot everything he said. However I don't remember scum pings.
10- Red Night - his suspicion on all Ultra /Flower /me doesn't look like he want to solve any of us. Scum material.
11- Yo Tan Wa - i can't wait to see what YoTan will post. Probably spewed town by the thread, but I wouldn't bet the game on it
12- Michelle
13- RippedCal - weak presence in this game start, he looks like he is on the fence with his reads and not very convinced about them. Of course, he can be town with a slow start but he gives me scum vibes so I don't town read him.
14- Orwellian - nothing AI, null
15- Ultra - the bear backtracked graciously the scum read on me without any reason. I dislike that as much as I dislike his jump on me. Can go either way.
16- Mr. Reloaded- Idk. At one moment I have to Iso and think at his game contribution.
So my lynch pool of toDay is
Red
Kiku except she steps up and gives up to fluff
Yoho
Scummy but I want to think at:
Ultra
Polar
Orca
RippedCal but I think he deserves a pass though.
Probably, but that's a strech, Orwellian, so rather not.
Everything is supposed to be changed if the thread play gives clues that I am wrong on someone.
yo tan needs to contribute, there initial enthusiasm and relaxed tone during thread start doesn't match their contribution since the game became fully active
1) You're pocketable
2) There are easier pushes
3) On his alt account Orca he's pushing me, so he's trying to buddy with you
4) He can just kill you
5) You're making assumptions about his thought process like he's a normal ass dude and not borderline incomprehensible
Bit confused why I'm not here since you usually town me. Why do you town Yo Tan here? I don't really get why Reloaded does it since I don't think that post was AI, so seeing you do it as well as eerie.
I also probably have one of the highest word counts this game, specifically due to my wall which I figured you would at least give a light town on, kind of confused why you aren't.
Yo Tan, Michelle, Reloaded, Yoho, Ultra is probably my town core.
Reads feel fake, don't like the angle she's approaching from and I don't remember much of what she did. Ignoring Ultra's reads in favor of her own pursuit when she doesn't town any of the people Ultrai s pushing, poor reaction to Ultra's push that read like scum trying to stay afloat, upon re eval her self resolving claim more comes from the mindset of "I need to breadcrumb my role early since that's my town meta(which she admited she had in her wolf game with me.)
Don't like the way she's approaching the thread either, not really generating much content. In my admittidly subpar catchup, the only thing she responded to was me scumming her, whic a reactionary town response is to at least ask why I think. She's trying to exude vibes of "I don't care about this push."
Ultra your read on Night is good, Townie look what Red did but you still went along with Kiku lynch.
One more thing I noticed is your game feels lot different from a year or two before. Not game, actually your tone. Some funny remarks are there but you feel toned down.
As a Townie i don't see you trying to work together with rest. You say what you've to and keep a gun to everyone head,
I feel it's missing here.
You initially sussed Michelle and Flowa, but did I missed or why you never sussed them againn? They became your strongest reads?
Against Pot you somehow believe your role block stopped a kill. I expect better from player of your calibre and not use such weak mech to lynch a player.
But I kinda agree with Pot read on that, your stance dunno if faked truly draw the picture you were convinced you really blocked the kill.
I am on fence about you. I still feel your game is Townie than not, maybe Indie.
but clearly you don't know what you're talking about and aren't bothering to look for yourself so it makes me question whether you're actually trying to solve kiku or already know their alignment
Called annoying by 2 people
Said to be cheating 2-3 times
Someone said they don't like me (Or maybe it was Polar, or both, can't remember the exact comment)
Said I should be shot before I tank the game
Said to be throwing
Among other things....
Your night action on me is genuine, but game solving seem quite direct. From convo with Ultra i got the vibe you're a good player, but your attempt to just ask last voters the explanation when we didn't read the game, but contributed to get the lunch is meh.
They did a major push on kiku yesterday and painted her a liar then she flipped town
And just today they tried hitting you with a coordinated attack by trying to paint you has scum just because in your opinion tracker is just has good if not better than watcher
Flower at least laid a claim on a character however Ultra seems to refuse to
Flower making a claim doesn't automatically clear her since the person she claim imo isn't very relevant but the fact she did means she isn't #1 suspect
Until Ultra makes a character claim he's my number 1 suspect
Said they role blocked you
But role blocking someone doesn't clear your name imo with the right role a scum can also roleblock
There is maybe one bulletproof player, probably the SK, if there is one
Less than a 10% chance that they would happen to hit them, and that's just in a vacuum
When you compare the odds of me blocking a kill to that scenario it's just way more likely
Especially since you know, serial killers also kill? So the fact that there was no kill probably means no serial, unless you expect them to abstain
If you legit think this is some big fucking scum conspiracy from me at the very least I have no words at how many brain cells you're lacking. I mean from your perspective I chomed in when they were about to turn you into sushi. Hello?
if you had rbed Rb me N1 and there was no kill you'd have put me on the stand?? When I didn't use any action so far?
Get your head in the game Ultra. This is role Madness.
Player list
Flower - Shino - Watcher: Pushed heavily for Kiku's lynch and mine, the overall vibe I have gotten from her this game is that she has been looking for opportunities to paint people as scum. There feels like an agenda there. Such as Kiku with her doctor claim and mine with my ability usage last night. Big thing going in her favor is the watcher claim but it is not a reason to write her off as town. Make sure to get results every phase and keep note how many times she claims to get blocked. And as an optimal role that scum would want to insta kill I would question her longevity the further she makes it into game.
Polar Bear - Kiba - Tracker - I feel like he's someone who has his head in the game and will be someone to bounce off of the later the game goes on. Meme's aside the fella is paying attention and bringing up good points and actively questioning people, he is someone to keep around. He is a tracker as well so if one is able do your best to keep him alive. Though like with Flower get results and keep track of what he claims and how far he makes it.
The Orca - Similar reasons to Polar Bear, someone who is here and present and will also be someone to bounce off as the game goes on.
Jaguark101 - Couple things have pinged me about the fella, overall I feel he's a bit self conscious this game and is trying to blend in. Big thing is to push to get reads from him at some point. He is a newer player though which is a big factor to consider.
Yoho - Relies a bit much on flavor imo but I feel his attempts to solve are genuine. I think the fella is just simply town this game.
Luka - tbh I am not too familar with the fella, leaning more town here than potential scum. I do like him engaging with the game earlier and think he should get the opportunity to get back into things.
Indigo - Lacking content and I didn't like how he ducked giving reads earlier though at the same time it is not a slot I can see flipping scum. Big thing to consider with the slot is if he delivers mechanically as he said so earlier.
Red Night - I think his D3 will be an indicator of his alignment as he said he would go more towards solving that day.
Yo Tan Wa - Needs to get into the game more, I think he'll probably go more towards town side once he gets the opportunity
Michelle - Similar vibes to Flower, feels there is an agenda and is actively searching for opportunities. I think a good example is when she took the first chance to put her vote on me after Ultra came forward with info and directly supported the theory since. It's that lack of hesitation that pinged me here. She is a good player and an active one it will be a slot to take everything in consideration for.
RippedCal - Honestly looking back I think the fella is town, despite his read on me I see a genuine effort in his solves. He doesn't think I'm scum because of an agenda but because he thinks I'm actually scum kinda deal. I think once I pass he'll really start cookin.
Orwellian - Same as Yo Tan Wa
Ultra - Roleblocker: Honestly leaning more town than scum here as even if I dislike where his claim took me I do at least understand his PoV here. I feel it's a similar case with Cal where he does think I am scum here. He will be someone to keep up on with potential results as well though.
Mr. Reloaded - Hard to put it into words but I think he's most likely to be an indie if there is one this game. His game has felt reserved in a way where he's engaged enough to keep town happy but not pushing too hard to get Scum's attention. If not indie I'd put him as null.
I was protecfed last night.
That's another reason for no kills.
I asked and no one had any intention to solve around my question, so I am aware that many people don't even have a clue about it and mafia are not the ones to tell us why their kill failed. Also I think mafia are a little deflated because of that.
Add the probability of an SK with delayed kill or an arso and the game is lost if we mislynch again.
I wanted to see where is everyone's head.
Too little concern for the wagon makes me think you are town here but I would like to know if your action failed or not.
Mafia had a RBer who went on Flower. Ultra wouldn't claim RBer as mafia so I think we have weak mechs but enough to consider them town.
Flowa is still thinking arround why she didn't get the result, or fishing arround Michelle ability?
Tinfoil. There was no kill N1 and Michelle say was protected. Possibility
But had scum Flowa targeted Michelle with kill would she claim this info? A watcher is less supposed to be tracker her info self resolves. I think her result will verify her, and choice of targets.
Another thing had they Targeted her with kill, once Michelle claimed she was protected why the kill may have failed was satisfied. Flowa still wouldn't think of how her actions failed, aka Flowa did watch Michelle or Targeted with some ability she should've got some result on, not a kill.
Where is @Flower?
What's your take?
I wasn't commuted, you watching me would be interesting to see
I think scum RBed you and tried to kill me.
Idk what to make of Ultra's RB thing
What I don't understand, from the 2 invest roles why would mafia target you for RB and let Polar to have a result? He could find mafia by his action.
More I think, more I suspect him.
I think Flower is town and mafia blocked her.
By this logic, the other RBer, Ultra, should be town and blocked Pot.
Then Pot's busdrive didn't work, so a sane mafia who is RBing the watcher should kill the tracker.
Why are you alive?
Why didn't mafia target you with a kill last night?
If you're town then Ultra and Flower are highly likely to be scum as they have been the main pushers to get you out.
If you are Scum then they were right and i'll most likely follow their judgement.
Man, look, you push the 4 protectives angle who is weird.
Why is Polar alive is a good question to think at it but you ignore it.
What's Red doing is another one.
I don't even know what to do with Flower's play today and YoTan who is absent as well.
Is town in this site alergic to play? Where is everyone?
Should it be town? I can't think up of Indie role related to that either.
Mafia? Don't think so unless fake claim.
Town, possible. But Kankuro fought Shino in the end.
But a scum claiming this? Locked abilities 🤔. Hinata did acted shy and fearful, until Naruto appreciated and motivated her.
Locked abilities are mostly strong abilities, but Hinata wasn't that strong. Idk
Flavour solving won't take us much further i guess.
So one problem with Polar's results, if it's to be believed, is that two players just happen to not move. So far all claims and flips have been active abilities, and we know there's probably cop/vig too, so this is very strange to me.
Host spec - if there's a town BD in Pot I think Fuji puts in a redirector in scum. My only holdup is why indigo just makes that claim instead of, you know, something else
I am assuming there is an Orochimaru and Kabuto mafia duo here if this is based on part 1 specifically. And I am assuming that 11 of the players here are the konoha 11. Which leaves 3 characters left, kakashi has to be one, maybe gara as the indie?
actually not gonna vote Orca again.
And that was after Orca voted Ultra.
On one hand it's aligned with his 'read' on Ultra town and can explain the reaction vote by that.
Otoh, seems pockety for Ultra.
Some scum have hard time interacting with mates, some have hard time to talk to town. Talking with town gives more wifom later in the game and Orwellian is the kind of player who's thinking at what happens in the future.
I am not voting Polar today, but I have a high suspicion on him for several reasons.
One is his read on me, seems like he finds only meta weak excuses (and also not true) to town read me but he doesn't waste time to tinfoil me based on Pot's preflip.
The other is the claim and his lack of suspicionon his own results, each town who playeda few games knows that an invest D1 claim is alive only if mafia can alter their results.
More than one protective role - kiku and unknown
More than one redirecting role - Pot and claimed Indigo
More than one invest - Flower watcher and Polar tracker
One scum flipped Silencing Needles: Kin may target a player with these needles and prevent them from speaking, this will drain one of their x shots.X3. Drug laced Senbon Needles: Kin may target a player with these needles and drug them. Delaying their action for a cycle.X2.
High Acting Poison: If Kin performs the faction kill, she will ignore any defenses the target has.X1.
Reloaded could be the N1 kill, btw. Another explanation for N1 no kills.
I feel that mafia was comfortable in the game until today.
But had scum Flowa targeted Michelle with kill would she claim this info? A watcher is less supposed to be tracker her info self resolves. I think her result will verify her, and choice of targets.
1- Flower- Shino. Watcher.
Action on Michele. No result.
N2. ?
2- Polar Bear- Dog boy. Tracker
Tracker Red N1. Tracked me next night. Visited None.
3- Kiku- flipped Town. Tenten. Bodyguard.
4- Pot Goblin- Flipped Town. Shikamaru. Bus drive
polar bear and Jaguar
5- The Orca-
6- Jaguark101- Neji.
7- Yoho- Hinata. Locked
8- Luka
9- Indigo- Temari. Redirect.
No actions.
10- Red Night-
11- Yo Tan Wa-
12- Michelle-
13- RippedCal-
14- Orwellian- Scum. Purple.
15- Ultra- Kankuro. Roleblock Pot and Rb Indigo.
His game play in this game was vastly different than in the OLF game i was scum with him. He also spent the entirety of that game trying to lynch me and was ready to bus at any sign of trouble. Feels like he flipped his style and play here. More care free, inactive ish, probably his town reads are scum here vs there where his scum reads were scum much of the game. He was very active the last game in trying to solve though and steer things. I'm thinking he was comfortable this game and didn't fear a lynch at all because of the thread status of his team. Which id say points to Ultra and Flower more
On first thought I'd clear Ultra and Indigo both town, Kankura and Temari are siblings and Sand Ninja. Claiming both as scums, make one as good as dead when the 2nd flip. So stupid.
But if I were the host I'd make one town and give another fake claim to scum/scums. Possibility.
But yeah they are not some other faction. One town one scum or both Town.
On first thought I'd clear Ultra and Indigo both town, Kankura and Temari are siblings and Sand Ninja. Claiming both as scums, make one as good as dead when the 2nd flip. So stupid.
But if I were the host I'd make one town and give another fake claim to scum/scums. Possibility.
But yeah they are not some other faction. One town one scum or both Town.
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