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Pringles said:
I understand why you say that with what we have so far Paperchampion and your analysis of the current events is not wrong at all, in fact I agree why you say that.

Now, I'm more looking at the bigger picture of the situation and my arguments mix both of current events and predictions of the future events.

To me, Saturn has yet to show what makes him eternally young / immortal and what makes him a Gorosei. The current chapters have already showed to us his insane regeneration abilities and it won't stop there.

Remember that Saturn told Bonney that if it hurt him, he would have dodged and he hasn't dodged anything yet and has only been regenerating, that gets to show you how insane he is if he yet has to care about the punches people land on him.

I think Saturn may even be unbeatable and the only counter to him may be the warrior of liberation that fights as he wishes and manipulates the fight.

Bonney will punch Saturn, Robot may also get involved who knows, but it'll only hype up Saturn and tells us that the only solution is Luffy/Nika.

We will learn about Nika's devil fruit with this confrontation.

We may even understand why Kizaru is a cog in the machine and doesn't want to betray Saturn, maybe Kizaru knows what Saturn is capable of and he doesn't want to betray him yet.

The only answer to Saturn is Nika, that's what Kuma's flashback has hyped us for, that's what an immortal elder who knows Nika is going to face.

You don't bring an elder who knows about the void century so he falls in the hands of somebody else that is not Nika.

Luffy will crush Saturn like an "insect" with his foot and destroy even Egghead in the process in an attack named "Bajrang Stamp" or "Bajrang Axe", similar to the attack that Kuma saw Luffy train. In Hindu mythology, Lord Saturn is associated with Blue Sapphire, which is Oda's reference for that. What is even more striking is that in that same mythology, Bajrang Bali (Hanuman) steps onto Saturn and puts him under his mighty feet to control him. Bajrang Bali and Saturn, the connection runs deeper than him being crushed like an insect, which would be the most satisfying outcome of the arc.

Given that Saturn is most likely going to be defeated by Luffy, I only see Zoro defeating Kizaru.

If Saturn has yet to show us his real abilities and the ancient robot has yet to move, it means the arc still has a lot of chapters left, meaning that Zoro can defeat Lucci (or not) and then come back for Kizaru.

Luffy defeated Lucci then Kizaru then will defeat Saturn.
Zoro defeated Kaku, then Lucci then may finish Kizaru off.
Sanji imprisoned Kaku, faced Kizaru and then may finish Lucci off.

This will even mirror Sabaody with Zoro having his revenge on Kizaru and having his Rayleigh moment.

Zoro uses "3 sword style" and "9 sword style" technique and Kizaru has shown us that he can create light clones that all own a sword so Zoro is the best match up.

Zoro fighting Kizaru goes beyond that. Zoro has to channel his energy to cut light and that makes him more likely to get black blade in the future. Zoro can't just go and land an attack like "Divine Departure" because the cut is not clean and it will not cut light, it will only cut Kizaru. So, he has to learn how to channel that blade energy to make a clean cut on light.

If you don't believe me yet then let's take a look at Zoro's potential opponents until the end of the story.

- Zoro cut a rock in Dressrosa (Pica)
- Zoro cut fire in Wano (King's flame)
- Zoro may cut light in Egghead (Kizaru)
- Zoro will cut "nothing" / invisible human (Shiryu)
- Zoro will then fight Mihawk
- Zoro will cut diamond (V. Nusjuro) - either before or after Mihawk (but I have it after)

Rock -> Fire -> Light -> Nothing -> Mihawk (best swordsman) -> V. Nusjuro (diamond + best swordsman ever)

Kizaru fits perfectly as Zoro's opponent, he is his next element to cut, like he says it clearly: "there is nothing I can't cut"
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Didn't read but damn bro leave some energy for the spoiler thread
 
Reborn

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Pringles said:
I understand why you say that with what we have so far Paperchampion and your analysis of the current events is not wrong at all, in fact I agree why you say that.

Now, I'm more looking at the bigger picture of the situation and my arguments mix both of current events and predictions of the future events.

To me, Saturn has yet to show what makes him eternally young / immortal and what makes him a Gorosei. The current chapters have already showed to us his insane regeneration abilities and it won't stop there.

Remember that Saturn told Bonney that if it hurt him, he would have dodged and he hasn't dodged anything yet and has only been regenerating, that gets to show you how insane he is if he yet has to care about the punches people land on him.

I think Saturn may even be unbeatable and the only counter to him may be the warrior of liberation that fights as he wishes and manipulates the fight.

Bonney will punch Saturn, Robot may also get involved who knows, but it'll only hype up Saturn and tells us that the only solution is Luffy/Nika.

We will learn about Nika's devil fruit with this confrontation.

We may even understand why Kizaru is a cog in the machine and doesn't want to betray Saturn, maybe Kizaru knows what Saturn is capable of and he doesn't want to betray him yet.

The only answer to Saturn is Nika, that's what Kuma's flashback has hyped us for, that's what an immortal elder who knows Nika is going to face.

You don't bring an elder who knows about the void century so he falls in the hands of somebody else that is not Nika.

Luffy will crush Saturn like an "insect" with his foot and destroy even Egghead in the process in an attack named "Bajrang Stamp" or "Bajrang Axe", similar to the attack that Kuma saw Luffy train. In Hindu mythology, Lord Saturn is associated with Blue Sapphire, which is Oda's reference for that. What is even more striking is that in that same mythology, Bajrang Bali (Hanuman) steps onto Saturn and puts him under his mighty feet to control him. Bajrang Bali and Saturn, the connection runs deeper than him being crushed like an insect, which would be the most satisfying outcome of the arc.

Given that Saturn is most likely going to be defeated by Luffy, I only see Zoro defeating Kizaru.

If Saturn has yet to show us his real abilities and the ancient robot has yet to move, it means the arc still has a lot of chapters left, meaning that Zoro can defeat Lucci (or not) and then come back for Kizaru.

Luffy defeated Lucci then Kizaru then will defeat Saturn.
Zoro defeated Kaku, then Lucci then may finish Kizaru off.
Sanji imprisoned Kaku, faced Kizaru and then may finish Lucci off.

This will even mirror Sabaody with Zoro having his revenge on Kizaru and having his Rayleigh moment.

Zoro uses "3 sword style" and "9 sword style" technique and Kizaru has shown us that he can create light clones that all own a sword so Zoro is the best match up.

Zoro fighting Kizaru goes beyond that. Zoro has to channel his energy to cut light and that makes him more likely to get black blade in the future. Zoro can't just go and land an attack like "Divine Departure" because the cut is not clean and it will not cut light, it will only cut Kizaru. So, he has to learn how to channel that blade energy to make a clean cut on light.

If you don't believe me yet then let's take a look at Zoro's potential opponents until the end of the story.

- Zoro cut a rock in Dressrosa (Pica)
- Zoro cut fire in Wano (King's flame)
- Zoro may cut light in Egghead (Kizaru)
- Zoro will cut "nothing" / invisible human (Shiryu)
- Zoro will then fight Mihawk
- Zoro will cut diamond (V. Nusjuro) - either before or after Mihawk (but I have it after)

Rock -> Fire -> Light -> Nothing -> Mihawk (best swordsman) -> V. Nusjuro (diamond + best swordsman ever)

Kizaru fits perfectly as Zoro's opponent, he is his next element to cut, like he says it clearly: "there is nothing I can't cut"
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Jika

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Paperchampion23 said:
Tbh Saturn still just exudes this "Raid Boss" type feel, like Oars, that you just dont get from Kizaru.
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Not sure what you're saying. Oda has completely ruined this aspect. There are ways this fight could have gone, where Oda could really make saturn have this aura/hype and overwhelming feeling. For example, when he froze people. But at this moment, egghead has severely ruined the hype for the gorosei and admirals as well. Maybe Oda has something in plan for that? But hard to say. I've even taken a bet vs a guy that believes Luffy will defeat saturn here. I mean can you imagine...What hype would be left, if Luffy defeats saturn right here and now???

Even BB, doesnt have this aura.


The only villians/opponents that have this aura left are akainu/imu, (kaido did as well), (shiki would probably have this aura if he came back).
 
YonkoGodLuffy

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Paperchampion23 said:
Tbh Saturn still just exudes this "Raid Boss" type feel, like Oars, that you just dont get from Kizaru. Everyone hits him and he just keeps getting back up not unlike Oars in that way.

I smell a big hype chapter coming from him, but IMO the only answer to Luffy not facing both villains (nobody is taking over his Kizaru fight obviously at this point) is that everyone else ends up facing the Gorosei together with him.

This way you still hype that the Gorosei is one of 5 massive endgame enemies and there are 4 left like him, plus Imu. But yoy can also have him lose in an arc where Luffy is already distracted by an Admiral.

Just my 2 cents on that, we'll see what happens.
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What are the reasons for nobody else taking over Kizaru, though? I mean, Zoro + Sanji + Jinbei + potentially Nami/Chopper/Ussop should be enough to at least stall Kizaru whilst Luffy fights Saturn. Its possible that even through that Kizaru's attention will be on Luffy V Saturn, kind of like how Mihawk's attention was on Luffy whilst he was fighting Vista. The way I see it, Kizaru clearly has the potential to be good. His wavering and his symbolised by "unclear justice". Everything points towards the battle of good and evil in this arc being Luffy-good and Saturn-evil. Saturn is the absolute evil of this arc after all. I don't think its necessary for Kizaru to get packed up done and dusted this arc because narratively, Saturn needs to fall, in order for BB's plan and what Devon did to not be completely useless. We can safely exclude anybody else introduced as BB Pirates - they already TP'ed away and said their mission is complete, possible they will encounter some Straw Hats or somebody on the way though since they couldn't TP directly off the island. Kuma - he had his moment, Saturn regenned from it and now Kuma is being carried around and unable to fight.

I can see that at least for the while being, Luffy will still fight Kizaru since they were standing off against each other last chapter to protect PV but it'll be very brief since if the Shanks dudes hints is to be believed, then it indicates Saturn, is obviously back and doing a big thing within less then a chapter. Point is, the fight wasn't really protracted at all. They could've been staring off and shit talking each other for the moment Saturn was making his way back.

Imo, Saturn V Luffy is significantly more important and narratively relevant then Luffy V Kizaru. I do not believe Kizaru can represent a challenge bigger then Kaido and its not just admiral hatred or whatever, but the first fight between Luffy and Kaido was Luffy getting 1 shotted. The first fight between Kizaru and Luffy you already know.
 
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