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From what I understand:
- You are not far right.
- You are not conservatist
- You display a great deal of self reflection for your religion and the Palestinian conflict which shows a certains openess
- I didn't really catch your view on libertarianism, merit and stuff like that
- But I know that you are antiwoke by principle
So my guess is that you are a most likely some kind of confusionnist or "apolitic" that could have basic liberal ideas and that is therefore completely missunderstanding the purpose of leftist fights.
Note that I don't label Van that much also. In reality, you have pretty much similar political visions from an outside point of view, something a bit confusionnistic, apolitical, mostly centrist/liberal that consider that some things on the right and some things on the left are okay. I short, you are like the majority of the population that elect people that change nothing and keep the status co and therefore some oppressions.. alive.
Which is precisely why I'm going under your skin most of the time: We are political ennemies.
- You are not far right.
- You are not conservatist
- You display a great deal of self reflection for your religion and the Palestinian conflict which shows a certains openess
- I didn't really catch your view on libertarianism, merit and stuff like that
- But I know that you are antiwoke by principle
So my guess is that you are a most likely some kind of confusionnist or "apolitic" that could have basic liberal ideas and that is therefore completely missunderstanding the purpose of leftist fights.
Note that I don't label Van that much also. In reality, you have pretty much similar political visions from an outside point of view, something a bit confusionnistic, apolitical, mostly centrist/liberal that consider that some things on the right and some things on the left are okay. I short, you are like the majority of the population that elect people that change nothing and keep the status co and therefore some oppressions.. alive.
Which is precisely why I'm going under your skin most of the time: We are political ennemies.
No?
Not exactly, thats about the conservation of energy in a system with constant matter. Creating something out of nothing would add matter.
Not to mention that we dont have any "nothing" to experiment on anyway
Edit: what i said here is true for closed systems only
Watch some bashar-channeling vids. I think you will like them
Violence against yourself is still violence or not?
Not exactly, thats about the conservation of energy in a system with constant matter. Creating something out of nothing would add matter.
Not to mention that we dont have any "nothing" to experiment on anyway
Edit: what i said here is true for closed systems only
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Watch some bashar-channeling vids. I think you will like them
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Violence against yourself is still violence or not?
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Technically, that's what the commonly called "Free will" phenomenon would need to exit.
Choice created out of pure will our of nothing and therefore consciousness before biological signaling.
Indeed. That's what I'm explaining. That's why free will is a material impossibility.
Creating choice before any biological signal would mean that the creation (out of nothingness) of consciousness and its biological process preceeds the causality of event that leads toward the consciousness of an action, and therefore creates a material signal out of nothingness and independant from everything in environment and the universe, which is an impossibility.
Free will, as we defines it usually and in the laws of our Universe, simply can't exist.
Choice created out of pure will our of nothing and therefore consciousness before biological signaling.
Indeed. That's what I'm explaining. That's why free will is a material impossibility.
Creating choice before any biological signal would mean that the creation (out of nothingness) of consciousness and its biological process preceeds the causality of event that leads toward the consciousness of an action, and therefore creates a material signal out of nothingness and independant from everything in environment and the universe, which is an impossibility.
Free will, as we defines it usually and in the laws of our Universe, simply can't exist.
I Checked their work and... Yeah no.. Esoterism, new age and quantum mindset BS is not really my jam.
I'm pro science. This type of content is the opposite.
In fact. Be careful when you come across this type of content. Because at best you will be in brought by those guys into a quantum frequency leveled journey that might just make you buy a few expensive toys... and at worst, you will be sucked into a circle of pseudoscientific belief that might make you fall into a real dangerous cult or a dangerous cultist belief system.
In reality, without matter there is nothing. No signal no nothing. That's precisely why I call myself a "materialist" in the broader sence of the term as I includ the forces, the constants and the nature of spacetime as part of the "matter" package (which technically makes me a physicalist, but its complicating things so lets just say that I'm a materialist for now)
Without matter there is no signal and without a signal there is no consciousness. So consciousness can't appear without "matter".
This means that you can't be conscious of your choices before the signals that will create your consciousness. And signals in the brain are the result of millions of calculation and connection taking into account the biology of our brain and the impact of the environment on this biology. Which means that the consciousness of a choice is nothing but an illusion created by our own biology.
Now.. this DOESN'T explains consciousness. It only explains that consciousness is an effect and not a cause.
I'm pro science. This type of content is the opposite.
In fact. Be careful when you come across this type of content. Because at best you will be in brought by those guys into a quantum frequency leveled journey that might just make you buy a few expensive toys... and at worst, you will be sucked into a circle of pseudoscientific belief that might make you fall into a real dangerous cult or a dangerous cultist belief system.
In reality, without matter there is nothing. No signal no nothing. That's precisely why I call myself a "materialist" in the broader sence of the term as I includ the forces, the constants and the nature of spacetime as part of the "matter" package (which technically makes me a physicalist, but its complicating things so lets just say that I'm a materialist for now)
Without matter there is no signal and without a signal there is no consciousness. So consciousness can't appear without "matter".
This means that you can't be conscious of your choices before the signals that will create your consciousness. And signals in the brain are the result of millions of calculation and connection taking into account the biology of our brain and the impact of the environment on this biology. Which means that the consciousness of a choice is nothing but an illusion created by our own biology.
Now.. this DOESN'T explains consciousness. It only explains that consciousness is an effect and not a cause.
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Sometimes the "best person" for the job doesn't get promoted, I can say that much.
It's the reason why constantly learning and developing your skillset is essential because there are going to be those situations where you're going to have to move to a different workplace instead of being stuck at your current one.
Here's a question for ya: Would you want Steve Jobs as your manager?
It's the reason why constantly learning and developing your skillset is essential because there are going to be those situations where you're going to have to move to a different workplace instead of being stuck at your current one.
Here's a question for ya: Would you want Steve Jobs as your manager?
If people want to figure what their or some else's true political affiliation would be, we can start by listing political terms by definition, and differentiating social and economic views. You can easily be socially left and ecomically right for example. What confuses a lot of people is that some political terms are social ideologies(Marxism), some are economic ideologies(captialism) and others are a mix of both(liberalism). Let's quickly name drop a few:
Progressive
Conversatism
Liberalism(umbrella term)
Modern Liberalism
Classical Liberalism
Neoliberalism
Socalism(umbrella term)
Anarchism
Communism
Marxism
Classical Marxism
Lenninism
Democratic socialism
Social democracy
Captialism
Corportracy
Authoritarianism
Militarianism
Patriotism
Nationalism
Faciam
Globalism
Classical Wokeism
Modern Wokeism
Sad thing is that there are like 50 more...
Progressive
Conversatism
Liberalism(umbrella term)
Modern Liberalism
Classical Liberalism
Neoliberalism
Socalism(umbrella term)
Anarchism
Communism
Marxism
Classical Marxism
Lenninism
Democratic socialism
Social democracy
Captialism
Corportracy
Authoritarianism
Militarianism
Patriotism
Nationalism
Faciam
Globalism
Classical Wokeism
Modern Wokeism
Sad thing is that there are like 50 more...
Good morning.
This is actually a good idea. In my case:
Economical: Liberalism (almost following Keynes but I believe that state intervention should only be done in the most extreme of circumstances compared with normal Keynesians - basically that the market will naturally fix itself but intervention by powerful monopolies must be compensated by the government body) opposed to protectionism ( the more the state meddles in the economy, more issues appear and more the general populace suffers. Anyone that wants to be a socialist is just a thief that don't care about others)
Society: Meritocracy/Capitalism (The best should be in charge and opportunities should be equal, with those be given for the ones with the best results. The government should give the tools for kids to reach this potential.) opposed to Socialist (People are not equal. Removing incentives to improve leads to suffering in masse. Most socialists are thieves and failures that are unable to survive in normal society and want riches without working for it)
Politics: Neo-Realism ( States act based on power and decisions should be made according. Hierarchies of power determines the actions of states. Note that while I believe in cooperation, this will be a frail construct that will not last in the end without the nations having some power/interest behind) opposed to Neo-liberalism (cooperation is frail in international relations and you will be stabbed by your allies if you turn your back)
This is actually a good idea. In my case:
Economical: Liberalism (almost following Keynes but I believe that state intervention should only be done in the most extreme of circumstances compared with normal Keynesians - basically that the market will naturally fix itself but intervention by powerful monopolies must be compensated by the government body) opposed to protectionism ( the more the state meddles in the economy, more issues appear and more the general populace suffers. Anyone that wants to be a socialist is just a thief that don't care about others)
Society: Meritocracy/Capitalism (The best should be in charge and opportunities should be equal, with those be given for the ones with the best results. The government should give the tools for kids to reach this potential.) opposed to Socialist (People are not equal. Removing incentives to improve leads to suffering in masse. Most socialists are thieves and failures that are unable to survive in normal society and want riches without working for it)
Politics: Neo-Realism ( States act based on power and decisions should be made according. Hierarchies of power determines the actions of states. Note that while I believe in cooperation, this will be a frail construct that will not last in the end without the nations having some power/interest behind) opposed to Neo-liberalism (cooperation is frail in international relations and you will be stabbed by your allies if you turn your back)
Wanna talk about Socialism real quick cause there are some misconceptions. Socialism is an umbrella term for the belief that the means of production and exchange should be controlled by the workers or community as a whole. There are numerous variations of socialism, and socialism in general is anti-capitlaistic. There's one socialist ideology that isn't anti-capitalistic which is Social Democracy. A social democracy instead tries to find the sweet spot between socialism and capitalism.
America has an extensive socialist, but not anti-capitalist history. Back in the day, work hours, work days and pay rate weren't mandated and the owner could make you do whatever he wanted or you're fired. There was also no annual leave, sick leave, or paternity leave, along with a ton of child labor. 7 day, 12 hours work weeks with shit pay and no benefits was very common. This type of capitalism is what lead to the Russian revolutions and scared the hell outta America. FDR's New Deal which granted lots of worker rights was a means to prevent a worker revolt, and there were many worker protests during that time and before. Worker rights and unions are socialist in nature.
America has an extensive socialist, but not anti-capitalist history. Back in the day, work hours, work days and pay rate weren't mandated and the owner could make you do whatever he wanted or you're fired. There was also no annual leave, sick leave, or paternity leave, along with a ton of child labor. 7 day, 12 hours work weeks with shit pay and no benefits was very common. This type of capitalism is what lead to the Russian revolutions and scared the hell outta America. FDR's New Deal which granted lots of worker rights was a means to prevent a worker revolt, and there were many worker protests during that time and before. Worker rights and unions are socialist in nature.
That's the thing. You can't.
What you are describing is progressive liberalism and there is a reason why progressive liberals are not considered leftist (by leftist) but entry rightist:
Being socially left means understanding the problematic effect the economical right has SOCIALLY on people. So, when you understand those problems, you simply can't be economically on the right side.
People who are trying to say that you can be socially left and economically right are wrong, either by design or because of a lack of knowledge. What they are doing is therefore confusing the debate. Which is why I sometimes calls people "confusionnists".
Apolitics or centrist, for example, are often confusionnists, simply because they don't have the knowledge or the hindsight to understand that some value are simply not compatible and its not because they are trying to have the high ground by creating some sort of narrative on the notion of nuance and the fact that there are "good things" on both side, that they are really pertinent politically.
I was like that. In fact to the extreme. At one point I thought that centrism why the only way to be really just. But my vision of the political debate was completely biased by the fact that I considered both side as both valuables. I looked for "good things on the right" and "good things" on the left.
So once I was finished with my complotist phase:
- I became someone fighting hate on the internet, but I believed that you can become powerfull and successfull if you really deserve it and if you work for it
- I was for women's right, but I believed that business owners should have the right to fire people when they want
- I was donating found to help poor people, but I was an antiSJW
- I was for helping poor neighborhood to have a good education, but I had a hate for religions and specifically Islam
- I was for giving more right to LGBT, but I was against taxes
- I was for a society of science, but I wanted the creation of a license to vote
- I was preaching the tolerance of minorities, but I believed that women were sometimes anti men
Etc. Etc.
In my mind.. I thought I was progressive.. and because I had some rightist traits as well, I believe that I had the higher ground and that I was NUANCED and scientific.
But in reality.. I was understanding NOTHING about politics and society.
A real leftist analysing the list above would understand the problem quickly: my values were completely contradictory, but I didn't notice it, simply because I didn't care to structure my thoughts:
- I was against hate in society, but I had an Islamophobic behavior which is a paradoxe
- I was for women rights, but I believed that women were sometimes anti men
- I wanted to help poor people, but I wanted the creation of a license to vote which could create a system where poor people and people who had access to less education could be literally excluded because of the hegemony of the ruling class
- I was for helping poor neighborhood to have a good education, but I was against taxes that is literally made to create equality
- I was for giving more right to LGBT, but I was against real feminist and people fighting for LGBTQ+ (SJW)
- I was for a society of science, but I believed in merit, which is completely against the conclusion of social sciences
- I was preaching the tolerance of minorities,but I believed in anti-worker reform that would be used against those minorities.
I kept believing contradictory values for years because of I wanted to have the high ground and be nuanced, in short, by ego.
But EVEN when you look at those progressive values you can see - if you are a real leftist - that they are problematic. Because they are all in reality.... rightist.
"Why" you ask ?
Well look closer.. what do all those progressist values have in common ?
Well.. Simple:
They are all LIBERAL values. I mean by that that they are all based on the SURFACE level solution and basic knowledge and not the knowledge of systemic issues.
That's what liberalism is: The individualization of issues.
How do you help LGBTQ+ ? By making movies about LGBQT+ people
How do you fight sexism ? By explaining to boys that by working on their own sexism, they can change the lives of women (& get girls)
How do you fight poverty ? By explaining that you need to believe in your dream and work hard to succeed
How do you fight hate ? By explaining to people that hating on others is bad.
How do you fight complotism ? By explaining the dangerousity of biases to people
Those are LIBERAL SOLUTIONS to real societal problem. In other words, those are solution that consider that progress in society can only comes through better individuals.
So... "What is the problem with that ?" You might ask..
Well.. I'll tell you the problem:
Those liberal solutions will change NOTHING. Because liberals are in fact not considering the issues as they are but as they want society to be. In the mind of a liberal, society is meritocratic. This is the society of strong solitary heroic figures. This is a model of society where we, human, are in control of our environment and our destiny.
THIS
IS
A
MYTH !
- Humans are dependant of their environment.
- We can't change society simply be bettering ourself, we must fight the sources of the issues
- A single person can't make society magically better.
- Our journey is conditionned by our capitals
- And most of all.. we don't live in a meritocracy. Capitalism is a SCAM.
Liberal solution can only do one thing: Maintain the status co.
But progress comes from somewhere else. Progress comes from people who fight against liberalism and capitalism. Progress comes from people who understand the inequalities of society and the fact that meritocracy is a myth. Progress really comes when people are fighting capitalism !
In other words:
Real progress comes when we understand the existence of the structures of power and domination and when we fight against them !
Fight this:
What you are describing is progressive liberalism and there is a reason why progressive liberals are not considered leftist (by leftist) but entry rightist:
Being socially left means understanding the problematic effect the economical right has SOCIALLY on people. So, when you understand those problems, you simply can't be economically on the right side.
People who are trying to say that you can be socially left and economically right are wrong, either by design or because of a lack of knowledge. What they are doing is therefore confusing the debate. Which is why I sometimes calls people "confusionnists".
Apolitics or centrist, for example, are often confusionnists, simply because they don't have the knowledge or the hindsight to understand that some value are simply not compatible and its not because they are trying to have the high ground by creating some sort of narrative on the notion of nuance and the fact that there are "good things" on both side, that they are really pertinent politically.
I was like that. In fact to the extreme. At one point I thought that centrism why the only way to be really just. But my vision of the political debate was completely biased by the fact that I considered both side as both valuables. I looked for "good things on the right" and "good things" on the left.
So once I was finished with my complotist phase:
- I became someone fighting hate on the internet, but I believed that you can become powerfull and successfull if you really deserve it and if you work for it
- I was for women's right, but I believed that business owners should have the right to fire people when they want
- I was donating found to help poor people, but I was an antiSJW
- I was for helping poor neighborhood to have a good education, but I had a hate for religions and specifically Islam
- I was for giving more right to LGBT, but I was against taxes
- I was for a society of science, but I wanted the creation of a license to vote
- I was preaching the tolerance of minorities, but I believed that women were sometimes anti men
Etc. Etc.
In my mind.. I thought I was progressive.. and because I had some rightist traits as well, I believe that I had the higher ground and that I was NUANCED and scientific.
But in reality.. I was understanding NOTHING about politics and society.
A real leftist analysing the list above would understand the problem quickly: my values were completely contradictory, but I didn't notice it, simply because I didn't care to structure my thoughts:
- I was against hate in society, but I had an Islamophobic behavior which is a paradoxe
- I was for women rights, but I believed that women were sometimes anti men
- I wanted to help poor people, but I wanted the creation of a license to vote which could create a system where poor people and people who had access to less education could be literally excluded because of the hegemony of the ruling class
- I was for helping poor neighborhood to have a good education, but I was against taxes that is literally made to create equality
- I was for giving more right to LGBT, but I was against real feminist and people fighting for LGBTQ+ (SJW)
- I was for a society of science, but I believed in merit, which is completely against the conclusion of social sciences
- I was preaching the tolerance of minorities,but I believed in anti-worker reform that would be used against those minorities.
I kept believing contradictory values for years because of I wanted to have the high ground and be nuanced, in short, by ego.
But EVEN when you look at those progressive values you can see - if you are a real leftist - that they are problematic. Because they are all in reality.... rightist.
"Why" you ask ?
Well look closer.. what do all those progressist values have in common ?
Well.. Simple:
They are all LIBERAL values. I mean by that that they are all based on the SURFACE level solution and basic knowledge and not the knowledge of systemic issues.
That's what liberalism is: The individualization of issues.
How do you help LGBTQ+ ? By making movies about LGBQT+ people
How do you fight sexism ? By explaining to boys that by working on their own sexism, they can change the lives of women (& get girls)
How do you fight poverty ? By explaining that you need to believe in your dream and work hard to succeed
How do you fight hate ? By explaining to people that hating on others is bad.
How do you fight complotism ? By explaining the dangerousity of biases to people
Those are LIBERAL SOLUTIONS to real societal problem. In other words, those are solution that consider that progress in society can only comes through better individuals.
So... "What is the problem with that ?" You might ask..
Well.. I'll tell you the problem:
Those liberal solutions will change NOTHING. Because liberals are in fact not considering the issues as they are but as they want society to be. In the mind of a liberal, society is meritocratic. This is the society of strong solitary heroic figures. This is a model of society where we, human, are in control of our environment and our destiny.
THIS
IS
A
MYTH !
- Humans are dependant of their environment.
- We can't change society simply be bettering ourself, we must fight the sources of the issues
- A single person can't make society magically better.
- Our journey is conditionned by our capitals
- And most of all.. we don't live in a meritocracy. Capitalism is a SCAM.
Liberal solution can only do one thing: Maintain the status co.
But progress comes from somewhere else. Progress comes from people who fight against liberalism and capitalism. Progress comes from people who understand the inequalities of society and the fact that meritocracy is a myth. Progress really comes when people are fighting capitalism !
In other words:
Real progress comes when we understand the existence of the structures of power and domination and when we fight against them !
Fight this:
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