Versus Battle Yuta Okkotsu vs Archer (F/SN)
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List of Servant stats (strength, speed, etc.) in a servant's statistics profile would generally indicate that they would scale to each other, although the one would lower stats would be weaker/ slower than the other with higher stats, wouldn't they?
Archer may not directly match Herakles (Berserker) in physical strength but he did clash blows with him.
+ feats in FGO seem to be >>> pretty much anything from the main VN and other materials from Type Moon.
Edit: Btw if FGO is supposed to be canon to the VN (and not just part of the same franchise), who is to say something like Dragon Ball Xenoverse isn't part of Dragon Ball canon alongside Super/GT (separate continuity), except that the events that happen there are a different timeline?
Archer may not directly match Herakles (Berserker) in physical strength but he did clash blows with him.
+ feats in FGO seem to be >>> pretty much anything from the main VN and other materials from Type Moon.
Edit: Btw if FGO is supposed to be canon to the VN (and not just part of the same franchise), who is to say something like Dragon Ball Xenoverse isn't part of Dragon Ball canon alongside Super/GT (separate continuity), except that the events that happen there are a different timeline?
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Even in another Forum, you still post incorrect shit like you always do
1. We are supposed to take EDISON'S word seriously? The guy who constantly fights with Tesla on everything, even on simple and basic shit? When the guy himself conceded that Tesla was his superior in the power of his Lightning? The guy who should very well be as strong as Iskandar with his use of Lightning? Tesla boasting he can destroy a Continent is hilariously him LESSENING himself(Which makes sense when he believes he's weaker than the Gods of Lightning, most of whom are well past Planetary by a huge degree...)
2. Man, you need to actually use some actual reading comprehension my dude:
Cu Alter punches her in the gut ONCE(We hear this by the sound effect itself), it punches through her, he states it's the ONLY THING that would be able to hurt her(Which fits the fact that he sees Arjuna is not even in her field and fits with Extella Link making her THE Top Lancer over Cu and KARNA) and Scathath states that's enough power to "Destroy The World"(Which would mean Texture).
I don't understand how you can actually believe it's "attack with a hundred or so punches" when that has never been used for any other Noble Phantasm in the series, so why this one?
3. You are right, EMIYA doesn't scale to Enkidu or Theia... but why would that matter? Enkidu's Enuma Elish blocked Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish which would have wiped the Texture off the Planet(This is even more apparent when Enkidu's Enuma Elish only gathers the appropriate amount of energy from the Planet itself) and he used that exact same thing to deal with Theia's Meteor NP which would have done virtually the same thing in damage(Especially when it's split off parts did some insane damage on their own). Yuta is barely City level on his BEST day and he's actually weaker than that. EMIYA is Continental on his WORST day and that fits with how strong the Heroic Spirits he fought are physically in F/SN alone.
4. EMIYA absolutely scales to Fabro Rowan, are you dense? Oh wait, you are
You always did believe that Fabro's Soil of Genesis is equal to Tiamat's Primordial Sea despite that explicitly being false in Tsukihime alone.
It's like you only looked at this passage and didn't even try and look at anything else... when Kagetsu Tohya literally tells you the "True Chaos" which is the Primordial Sea and Grail Mud(As it's Tiamat's Primordial Sea)... requires shit on the level of destroying the World to get rid of in any capacity:
And yes, FGO does actually answer that question:
So no, the Soil of Genesis isn't = The Primordial Sea/Grail Mud, it never was. It's a shitty knockoff in every way that only slightly touches on the base elements. EMIYA actually very much scales above Fabro Rowan, he doesn't scale against the Primordial Sea/Grail Mud.
For everyone else, I'm not this mean, I just had to deal with this guy ALOT and this is just me proving this extremely simple stuff wrong.
EMIYA absolutely destroys Yuta and hell, shouldn't be in anyone's presence in the Nasuverse.
1. We are supposed to take EDISON'S word seriously? The guy who constantly fights with Tesla on everything, even on simple and basic shit? When the guy himself conceded that Tesla was his superior in the power of his Lightning? The guy who should very well be as strong as Iskandar with his use of Lightning? Tesla boasting he can destroy a Continent is hilariously him LESSENING himself(Which makes sense when he believes he's weaker than the Gods of Lightning, most of whom are well past Planetary by a huge degree...)
2. Man, you need to actually use some actual reading comprehension my dude:
Cu Alter punches her in the gut ONCE(We hear this by the sound effect itself), it punches through her, he states it's the ONLY THING that would be able to hurt her(Which fits the fact that he sees Arjuna is not even in her field and fits with Extella Link making her THE Top Lancer over Cu and KARNA) and Scathath states that's enough power to "Destroy The World"(Which would mean Texture).
I don't understand how you can actually believe it's "attack with a hundred or so punches" when that has never been used for any other Noble Phantasm in the series, so why this one?
3. You are right, EMIYA doesn't scale to Enkidu or Theia... but why would that matter? Enkidu's Enuma Elish blocked Gilgamesh's Enuma Elish which would have wiped the Texture off the Planet(This is even more apparent when Enkidu's Enuma Elish only gathers the appropriate amount of energy from the Planet itself) and he used that exact same thing to deal with Theia's Meteor NP which would have done virtually the same thing in damage(Especially when it's split off parts did some insane damage on their own). Yuta is barely City level on his BEST day and he's actually weaker than that. EMIYA is Continental on his WORST day and that fits with how strong the Heroic Spirits he fought are physically in F/SN alone.
4. EMIYA absolutely scales to Fabro Rowan, are you dense? Oh wait, you are
You always did believe that Fabro's Soil of Genesis is equal to Tiamat's Primordial Sea despite that explicitly being false in Tsukihime alone.
It's like you only looked at this passage and didn't even try and look at anything else... when Kagetsu Tohya literally tells you the "True Chaos" which is the Primordial Sea and Grail Mud(As it's Tiamat's Primordial Sea)... requires shit on the level of destroying the World to get rid of in any capacity:
And yes, FGO does actually answer that question:
So no, the Soil of Genesis isn't = The Primordial Sea/Grail Mud, it never was. It's a shitty knockoff in every way that only slightly touches on the base elements. EMIYA actually very much scales above Fabro Rowan, he doesn't scale against the Primordial Sea/Grail Mud.
For everyone else, I'm not this mean, I just had to deal with this guy ALOT and this is just me proving this extremely simple stuff wrong.
EMIYA absolutely destroys Yuta and hell, shouldn't be in anyone's presence in the Nasuverse.
There's no reason why Tesla's lightning should be as powerful as Iskandar's and the latter's lightning is nowhere near continent busting.
None of this is proof that Cu Alter can destroy a Texture with a punch.
Still no evidence that EMIYA scales to anything that is continental in power.
Post the proof of why.
The evidence Xhominid, post it.
None of this is proof that Cu Alter can destroy a Texture with a punch.
Still no evidence that EMIYA scales to anything that is continental in power.
Post the proof of why.
The evidence Xhominid, post it.
I literally gave you reasons why and I can give you video proof of those like I did with Cu Alter's if you like? Tesla's Lightning is only below the Divine Spirits who are WELL past Continental and well past Planetary for that matter so yeah, it does make alot of sense considering Iskandar's Bulls are only low end Divine Beasts which are not on the level of the 28 DGP's Tesla restrained(And again, Edison stated Tesla's did most of that legwork.)
So you are literally going to deny what the video itself tells you? Because that's not a defense either my dude, that's basically ignoring the evidence itself. It's easy to ignore the picture when there's no extra evidence behind it but you very clearly get with video:
- Cu Alter uses his NP
- He hits her only ONCE(Only one sound effect is played)
- Then we get to that conversation
So again, prove that Curruid Coinchenn cannot destroy the Texture in one hit because honestly? It legit makes much more sense to believe this considering Cu Alter's 2nd Interlude had him kill Heracles through all of his 13 Lives and it makes much more sense of that being the scale than anything else.
Again, you saying so is NOT a credible defense. Again, either give me a damn good reason why I'm wrong or don't bother trying to answer again. Because unironically? I could go with the fact that the Broken Phantasm Caladbolg II should equal it's original TNR self(which would just get it back to it's original rank) and we've seen what Caladbolg does with it's true name release:
https://onelastforum.com/ubs/fate-g...h-caladbolg-and-the-destruction-of-laputa.31/
EDIT: That or I can just use Caladbolg's use in the FGO America Manga? Again the Broken Phantasm version of Caladbolg II matches that as well.
Why? Okay then:
Comptiq 2006-11 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A said:
It's extremely obvious that Nasu is using Fabro Rowan as an example but at the same time, we also have long standing proof that his Soil of Genesis is weak shit compared to the actual "True Chaos" The Primordial Sea/Mud of The Holy Grail.
I shouldn't have to repeat myself again especially for someone who just keeps giving me "And? But? Nah?" and nothing else.
Already did my dude or do you want even more from others who agree with that statement?
https://onelastforum.com/threads/ci...2-electric-boogaloo.3777/page-324#post-411065
https://onelastforum.com/threads/ci...2-electric-boogaloo.3777/page-324#post-411109
https://onelastforum.com/threads/ci...2-electric-boogaloo.3777/page-325#post-411432
So yeah, these feats which are unironically JUST from F/SN-HA is where we get that from. So unless you have any proof against these claims, say so or accept what I put up as the truth.
So you are literally going to deny what the video itself tells you? Because that's not a defense either my dude, that's basically ignoring the evidence itself. It's easy to ignore the picture when there's no extra evidence behind it but you very clearly get with video:
- Cu Alter uses his NP
- He hits her only ONCE(Only one sound effect is played)
- Then we get to that conversation
So again, prove that Curruid Coinchenn cannot destroy the Texture in one hit because honestly? It legit makes much more sense to believe this considering Cu Alter's 2nd Interlude had him kill Heracles through all of his 13 Lives and it makes much more sense of that being the scale than anything else.
Again, you saying so is NOT a credible defense. Again, either give me a damn good reason why I'm wrong or don't bother trying to answer again. Because unironically? I could go with the fact that the Broken Phantasm Caladbolg II should equal it's original TNR self(which would just get it back to it's original rank) and we've seen what Caladbolg does with it's true name release:
https://onelastforum.com/ubs/fate-g...h-caladbolg-and-the-destruction-of-laputa.31/
EDIT: That or I can just use Caladbolg's use in the FGO America Manga? Again the Broken Phantasm version of Caladbolg II matches that as well.
Why? Okay then:
Comptiq 2006-11 issue - Fate Dojo Q & A said:
It's extremely obvious that Nasu is using Fabro Rowan as an example but at the same time, we also have long standing proof that his Soil of Genesis is weak shit compared to the actual "True Chaos" The Primordial Sea/Mud of The Holy Grail.
I shouldn't have to repeat myself again especially for someone who just keeps giving me "And? But? Nah?" and nothing else.
Already did my dude or do you want even more from others who agree with that statement?
https://onelastforum.com/threads/ci...2-electric-boogaloo.3777/page-324#post-411065
https://onelastforum.com/threads/ci...2-electric-boogaloo.3777/page-324#post-411109
https://onelastforum.com/threads/ci...2-electric-boogaloo.3777/page-325#post-411432
So yeah, these feats which are unironically JUST from F/SN-HA is where we get that from. So unless you have any proof against these claims, say so or accept what I put up as the truth.
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Stop talking nonsense and post actual evidence.
I don't have to prove a negative.
Post proof that Broken Phantasm Caladbolg II equals its original's true name release.
And my post is not even a defense at all, I'm simply asking you to post actual evidence for your claims.
You have no proof that the Broken Phantasm version of Caladbolg II matches the original.
No, it's not. Your delusional interpretations don't count as proof.
I'm not gonna to another forum to look for proof. do your own job yourself.
I don't have to prove a negative.
Post proof that Broken Phantasm Caladbolg II equals its original's true name release.
And my post is not even a defense at all, I'm simply asking you to post actual evidence for your claims.
You have no proof that the Broken Phantasm version of Caladbolg II matches the original.
No, it's not. Your delusional interpretations don't count as proof.
I'm not gonna to another forum to look for proof. do your own job yourself.
>Literally posted evidence 2 posts ago
>"Not good enough post more"
My dude, I posted the evidence, either you state why it's not good enough or go and admit your stance is shit.
Edison states that Tesla has the higher Electrical Output than he does, Edison is straight up stated to be a "Modern Day Thunder God" in Tesla's Interlude just like Tesla is:
So do you have the proof that Tesla isn't on Iskandar's level of Lightning Usage or are you gonna lie to me and say that this somehow "isn't enough" either despite you giving out nothing proving it?
Yes, you have to prove a negative, the fuck are you even talking about right now?! That's not how debates work.
And I bring in evidence and you pretending it doesn't count without you posting anything in return is not how debates work...
The irony is that I don't even have to bring in proof because the very fact that we know that a Broken Phantasm upgrades the Noble Phantasm a rank up since F/SN and the fact that it's explicitly stated for EMIYA, doing so is what makes his degraded Noble Phantasms as strong as the real thing proves it on it's own.
I shouldn't have to bring in evidence for that because you know it yourself.
Comptiq 2005-10 issue said:
Fate/complete material III p128 said:
I shouldn't have even needed to do this, I have more than enough proof of showing why Caladbolg II would be on par with Caladbolg itself, especially in it's Broken Phantasm state. Especially considering you have not brought a single shred of proof outside of hiding it around "I don't need to prove a negative" when yes, you absolutely do need to provide a reason for a negative, that's how debates work.
It absolutely includes Fabro Rowan, you dumbass! Who is the DAA we have seen in Tsukihime that has "Alien Material" within him and who only showed up during the interim of Tsukihime and that question he was given? Like holy shit GaRbS, I know you can be dense but I didn't think you was stupid either.
That's not a defense, you fucking idiot! Either nut the fuck up, do some damn research or go fuck off my dude. Really showing you are still a child right now.
>"Not good enough post more"
My dude, I posted the evidence, either you state why it's not good enough or go and admit your stance is shit.
Edison states that Tesla has the higher Electrical Output than he does, Edison is straight up stated to be a "Modern Day Thunder God" in Tesla's Interlude just like Tesla is:
So do you have the proof that Tesla isn't on Iskandar's level of Lightning Usage or are you gonna lie to me and say that this somehow "isn't enough" either despite you giving out nothing proving it?
Yes, you have to prove a negative, the fuck are you even talking about right now?! That's not how debates work.
And I bring in evidence and you pretending it doesn't count without you posting anything in return is not how debates work...
The irony is that I don't even have to bring in proof because the very fact that we know that a Broken Phantasm upgrades the Noble Phantasm a rank up since F/SN and the fact that it's explicitly stated for EMIYA, doing so is what makes his degraded Noble Phantasms as strong as the real thing proves it on it's own.
I shouldn't have to bring in evidence for that because you know it yourself.
Comptiq 2005-10 issue said:
Fate/complete material III p128 said:
I shouldn't have even needed to do this, I have more than enough proof of showing why Caladbolg II would be on par with Caladbolg itself, especially in it's Broken Phantasm state. Especially considering you have not brought a single shred of proof outside of hiding it around "I don't need to prove a negative" when yes, you absolutely do need to provide a reason for a negative, that's how debates work.
It absolutely includes Fabro Rowan, you dumbass! Who is the DAA we have seen in Tsukihime that has "Alien Material" within him and who only showed up during the interim of Tsukihime and that question he was given? Like holy shit GaRbS, I know you can be dense but I didn't think you was stupid either.
That's not a defense, you fucking idiot! Either nut the fuck up, do some damn research or go fuck off my dude. Really showing you are still a child right now.
These are not statements of power, but of bringing the power of lightning to humanity. Neither Tesla or Edison are as strong as gods.
You still haven't proven that Tesla's lightning is on the level of Iskandar's or that Iskandar's lightning is that powerful to begin with.
You are literally fucking retarded if you seriously think proving a negative is how debates actual
That has never been stated to be the case for Broken Phantasms, not in FSN or any other work.
I do know it myself. I know the fact of how Broken Phantasms are actually stated to work, And EMIYA's replicas have never been stated to be as strong as the real thing because of Broken Phantasm.
None of the quotes you posted prove EMIYA's Caladbolg is as strong as the original.
Xhominid, please stop being an idiot and actually learn how basic logic and debates work. This is just embarrasing now.
Fabro Rowan doesn't have alien material within him.
EDIT: And that's not even what the quote says anyway.
From Google:
"alienness" refers to their uniqueness and unusualness, how different it is, not anything actually extraterrestrial or similar to it.
Heracles has 12 lives, not 13 and Cu Alter did not take them all with just Curruid Coinchenn, he explicitly took several before he used it.
You still haven't proven that Tesla's lightning is on the level of Iskandar's or that Iskandar's lightning is that powerful to begin with.
You are literally fucking retarded if you seriously think proving a negative is how debates actual
That has never been stated to be the case for Broken Phantasms, not in FSN or any other work.
I do know it myself. I know the fact of how Broken Phantasms are actually stated to work, And EMIYA's replicas have never been stated to be as strong as the real thing because of Broken Phantasm.
None of the quotes you posted prove EMIYA's Caladbolg is as strong as the original.
Xhominid, please stop being an idiot and actually learn how basic logic and debates work. This is just embarrasing now.
Fabro Rowan doesn't have alien material within him.
EDIT: And that's not even what the quote says anyway.
From Google:
"alienness" refers to their uniqueness and unusualness, how different it is, not anything actually extraterrestrial or similar to it.
Heracles has 12 lives, not 13 and Cu Alter did not take them all with just Curruid Coinchenn, he explicitly took several before he used it.
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