Yes. Sometimes you need to break a few rules to make the power question itself. If you want you can keep the ban, or even ban me definitely. It will only prove my point in the end:
The nature of the structure of power of worstgen and by extention, the nature of the depolitization of art by the structure of power in the world and especially in young pop culture's fanbases.
If you think that, then you didn't understand what I said.
And this shows that you don't understand how political values and depolitization of art and public debate works in the world.
Not necessaraly, it can happen that politics can be allowed in discussion of not obvious subject. But what you are saying is precisely my point. The overwhelming majority of absence of politization of public discussion is an norm.
But what we must ask ourself, is why is this a norm ? Why are the discussion about politics limited to very specific (and you can check on this forum) and even OBSCURE and DEEPLY BURDEN spaces ?
The staffs will usually reply to you two things:
- Because politics are not related to the subject of discussion
- Because it can lead to toxicity
To those two reasons I call BS. First because we are talking constantly about a story where real political subject are put on the table (and the author is making real political stances), but also because the link between fiction and reality and the way we discuss about fiction is extremely politic, and secondly because if toxicity was a problem, mods would just have to do their job and stop it. So on one side they would love you to believe that they fight toxicity and on the other they are telling you that they can't fight it, which is a problem and revelating of real structure of power in society.
Depoliticizing a story that is politic and a debate that used political subjects is highly problematic and the reason why today, the people in power are the one who don't care about real life problems and only believe in their illusion of order through the depolitization of society.
Being in a group doesn't mean that we must prevent ourself from questionning the structures and political vision of the group. Because a lot of things can bring people together.. even fascism. Stopping ourself from questionning our political bias and visions is allowing the radicalization of the group toward toxic ideas or the enabling of the status co with a group endorsing problematic behaviors.
I was a mod once. And just like here, the structure of power was created in a way for people to stop having political discussions.
I know full well where this kind of policy can lead and spoiler: it doesn't stop toxicity and toxic behaviors from emerging. In fact its enables them as it doesn't question the sources of said behaviors.
Depolitization has only one result : the toxification of society.
The nature of the structure of power of worstgen and by extention, the nature of the depolitization of art by the structure of power in the world and especially in young pop culture's fanbases.
If you think that, then you didn't understand what I said.
And this shows that you don't understand how political values and depolitization of art and public debate works in the world.
Not necessaraly, it can happen that politics can be allowed in discussion of not obvious subject. But what you are saying is precisely my point. The overwhelming majority of absence of politization of public discussion is an norm.
But what we must ask ourself, is why is this a norm ? Why are the discussion about politics limited to very specific (and you can check on this forum) and even OBSCURE and DEEPLY BURDEN spaces ?
The staffs will usually reply to you two things:
- Because politics are not related to the subject of discussion
- Because it can lead to toxicity
To those two reasons I call BS. First because we are talking constantly about a story where real political subject are put on the table (and the author is making real political stances), but also because the link between fiction and reality and the way we discuss about fiction is extremely politic, and secondly because if toxicity was a problem, mods would just have to do their job and stop it. So on one side they would love you to believe that they fight toxicity and on the other they are telling you that they can't fight it, which is a problem and revelating of real structure of power in society.
Depoliticizing a story that is politic and a debate that used political subjects is highly problematic and the reason why today, the people in power are the one who don't care about real life problems and only believe in their illusion of order through the depolitization of society.
Being in a group doesn't mean that we must prevent ourself from questionning the structures and political vision of the group. Because a lot of things can bring people together.. even fascism. Stopping ourself from questionning our political bias and visions is allowing the radicalization of the group toward toxic ideas or the enabling of the status co with a group endorsing problematic behaviors.
I was a mod once. And just like here, the structure of power was created in a way for people to stop having political discussions.
I know full well where this kind of policy can lead and spoiler: it doesn't stop toxicity and toxic behaviors from emerging. In fact its enables them as it doesn't question the sources of said behaviors.
Depolitization has only one result : the toxification of society.
Imagine being so butthurt that you had to dig up old shit to try to make a point and even then it ends up in failure.
