Can Kouen be superior to Gakuki ?
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The difference is that in case of Ouki and Rinshoujo Hara simply expanded upon the historical figures they were based on without necessarily contradicting the sources. But regarding the Chu campaign we have pretty detailed describtion in Shiji on how the war went and what tactics Ousen used to win.
You can also argue that the main reason why in the manga Ousen is a specialist in building natural forts is because Hara was inspired by historical Wang Jian using fortification as part of his strategy against Chu. Which makes me think Hara is in fact planing to do at the very least something similar.
You can also argue that the main reason why in the manga Ousen is a specialist in building natural forts is because Hara was inspired by historical Wang Jian using fortification as part of his strategy against Chu. Which makes me think Hara is in fact planing to do at the very least something similar.
Considering he is being humbled by Riboku in every single arc I don't see how he could be of the same caliber as him. Furthermore him not even being a foil to Shin but rather to Moubu makes me think he wont even be Chu's top dog and Hara will either have Shin take out Kouen or Renpa/Kou Yoku be the strongest Chu general
Anyone who thinks Kou En will only be a 3GH level commander is hilariously wrong.
Kou En defeating 6GG Shin and Mouten at the same time in horrific fashion is something no 3GH is capable of. Maybe Riboku but even that is questionable.
As for Ousen vs Kou En, Ousen will literally have all 5 of the Qin 6 serving under him for one campaign when he defeats Kou En, so Kou En losing against the entire state of Qin isn’t really an anti feat lmfao
Anyway, the old eras are always looked back upon with more reverence than is actually deserved. If Gekishin is any indication of Gakuki’s level, any given Qin 6 already surpassed him. So it ultimately depends on what level Gakuki actually was, he was called the God of War but the eras naturally grow stronger over time, so he was the God of War of the weakest era in Kingdom. Impressive but it’s unclear what exactly that will mean for the future.
Is Gakuki capable of exterminating two Qin 6 at once? I don’t think so. I would probably say Kou En is superior. I give Gakuki a top 3 general spot on my tier list but I’ll flush that old era wank down the toilet at the first opportunity lol.
As for Ousen vs Kou En, Ousen will literally have all 5 of the Qin 6 serving under him for one campaign when he defeats Kou En, so Kou En losing against the entire state of Qin isn’t really an anti feat lmfao
Anyway, the old eras are always looked back upon with more reverence than is actually deserved. If Gekishin is any indication of Gakuki’s level, any given Qin 6 already surpassed him. So it ultimately depends on what level Gakuki actually was, he was called the God of War but the eras naturally grow stronger over time, so he was the God of War of the weakest era in Kingdom. Impressive but it’s unclear what exactly that will mean for the future.
Is Gakuki capable of exterminating two Qin 6 at once? I don’t think so. I would probably say Kou En is superior. I give Gakuki a top 3 general spot on my tier list but I’ll flush that old era wank down the toilet at the first opportunity lol.
I was lied to then...
dunno if you read the oneshot Hara made about Shouheikun and Moubu but in it Shouheikun just cheapshots Moubu as a teenager and everybody then claims he's stronger than him. The rest is just gas from his followers. Ji Aga had a similar statement made about him and we saw how it turned out.
As for the intellect he's being schooled by Riboku every arc. Be it the aftermath of Sanyou and the Coalition or the Western Invasion and then Gyan. Even SHK recognized Kanki died because of him
As for the intellect he's being schooled by Riboku every arc. Be it the aftermath of Sanyou and the Coalition or the Western Invasion and then Gyan. Even SHK recognized Kanki died because of him
wasn't the reason Shin gets so badly defeated because SHK betrays Qin, does revolts in cities Shin already took over and then Kou En hits them? So that's not a Kou En abosultely dog walking prime Shin and Mouten on even ground but trapping them with help from another Qin 6 level talent while most likely having a way bigger number of soldiers ( Shin having 200k and Chu wipes their ass with numbers like this )
How is this feat beyond 3gh level? Kochou can pull this off
If we are gonna be dishonest in hyping Kou En like that then Riboku abosultely dog walked 3 Qin 6 level generals in Ouki, Tou, Moubu at Bayou so Kou En is a loser for needing help from SHK
As for Ousen having the entire state of Qin:
Are we gonna pretend that Kou En doesn't have the entire state of Chu which is hyped to be bigger and more stacked than any other state? Are we really gonna act like he's a one man army against the entire Qin 6 and doesn't actually have SHK, Karin, Renpa, Kyou Rei, Haku Rei, Man U, Gen U, Sento'Un etc.. and that's people we already know of, there could well be another few Qin 6 level generals waiting to carry Kou En.
How is this feat beyond 3gh level? Kochou can pull this off
If we are gonna be dishonest in hyping Kou En like that then Riboku abosultely dog walked 3 Qin 6 level generals in Ouki, Tou, Moubu at Bayou so Kou En is a loser for needing help from SHK
As for Ousen having the entire state of Qin:
Are we gonna pretend that Kou En doesn't have the entire state of Chu which is hyped to be bigger and more stacked than any other state? Are we really gonna act like he's a one man army against the entire Qin 6 and doesn't actually have SHK, Karin, Renpa, Kyou Rei, Haku Rei, Man U, Gen U, Sento'Un etc.. and that's people we already know of, there could well be another few Qin 6 level generals waiting to carry Kou En.
Riboku defeated all of Kanki,Ousen and Shouheikun during Gy'an.
The OG plan was for all three to send armies there. Him completely paralyzing Ousen, shitstomping SHK's army and baiting Kanki to kill him does count as a successful 1v3
I'd say the same for Bayou as I believe Moubu and Tou were already GG lvl by then
The OG plan was for all three to send armies there. Him completely paralyzing Ousen, shitstomping SHK's army and baiting Kanki to kill him does count as a successful 1v3
I'd say the same for Bayou as I believe Moubu and Tou were already GG lvl by then
Long story short, yes and no.
Sure Shouheikun locked Shin and Mouten into Chu, but ultimately it was still Kou En who concealed the Chu forces long enough to bait them in, and it was Kou En himself who met them on the battlefield, Shouheikun isn’t involved in the actual battle itself where Kou En crushes them.
So take it for what you will, but damn I can’t picture Renpa annihilating two Qin 6 like that. Hell Riboku defeated Kanki in a similar manner and Riboku still almost lost his own head against just one Qin 6…this is Kou En one sidedly exterminating two Qin 6 by himself. We can attribute some of that to Shouheikun sure because he cut off their retreat, but even with no retreat that is an insane victory from Kou En. I don’t see Renpa winning that battle in such an overwhelming manner, even Riboku would be hard pressed to replicate that imo.
Sure Shouheikun locked Shin and Mouten into Chu, but ultimately it was still Kou En who concealed the Chu forces long enough to bait them in, and it was Kou En himself who met them on the battlefield, Shouheikun isn’t involved in the actual battle itself where Kou En crushes them.
So take it for what you will, but damn I can’t picture Renpa annihilating two Qin 6 like that. Hell Riboku defeated Kanki in a similar manner and Riboku still almost lost his own head against just one Qin 6…this is Kou En one sidedly exterminating two Qin 6 by himself. We can attribute some of that to Shouheikun sure because he cut off their retreat, but even with no retreat that is an insane victory from Kou En. I don’t see Renpa winning that battle in such an overwhelming manner, even Riboku would be hard pressed to replicate that imo.
Okay so let’s talk about what puts Kou En above the likes of the Qin 6:
-His subordinate defeated Oukotsu in overwhelming manner
-You might say “oh but Moubu defeated Kanmei” to which I will then point you to Man’U. Every single feat the likes of Man’U, Kanmei, and Karin achieve by extension hypes Kou En even more because Kou En is the highest ranked commander in Chu. By logical necessity he is hyped by proxy when his inferiors achieve feats of their own. So everything that hypes Kanmei, Karin, Man’U, etc…all that shit hypes Kou En even more because he is stronger than all of them.
History and the manga are two completely different animals. Nowhere in history is Gakuki referenced as a top 3 or even top 5 commander of all time, yet here we are giving him that honor anyway because the manga portrays him the way it does. Manga =/= history.
So Kou En can be as strong as Hara wants him to be. And like I said, his major victory that we will witness is something that no other commander we’ve ever seen is capable of bar maybe Riboku.
In a strategic sense yes, not in the way Kou En horrifically exterminates ______ and ______. Riboku defeated Ousen in the sense that he stopped Ousen’s advance and successfully defended Gian. Kou En defeated those two in the sense that it was a miracle they even survived and made it back to Qin at all.
No way in hell was Moubu GG level at Bayou lmfao. Not even close. Mentality alone took Moubu from high General level to high Qin 6 tier.
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This Kouen wank is hilarious.
Lol. It's funny how you consistently make up historical facts on the spot to fit your agenda. Yue Yi aka Gakuki was in the top 3 of the Warring States period generals and top 10 of all time as considered by the historians and emperors of the Tang Dynasty. Xiang Yan aka Kou En, meanwhile, isn't even a footnote in history.
Yeah, Kouen will totally destroy Shin and Mouten 2vs1. Karin, SHK and God knows who else will just sit back and watch and play no part at all in the campaign, I'm sure. I'm also sure that the Chu army will have no numerical advantage against them either 
Lol. It's funny how you consistently make up historical facts on the spot to fit your agenda. Yue Yi aka Gakuki was in the top 3 of the Warring States period generals and top 10 of all time as considered by the historians and emperors of the Tang Dynasty. Xiang Yan aka Kou En, meanwhile, isn't even a footnote in history.
