Controversial General Political Discussion

[Jesse Pinkman]

Now that I had what I was looking for, I can now return to this thread:

You see, @Uncle Van , @AL sama and some other mods keep reappearing here to "mock" my argumentation over and over again and those nice fellow don't understand why in return, I'm calling them "liberals", "confusionnist", "apolitics" or "centrist". Well, here is why.

Because in reality, the depolitization of public debates is THE weapon used by liberals and capitalist in power in our modern age. This is the tool that used as a way to maintain the illusion of order and their way of keeping the power. Because, why would we need to politicize subject that seem in surface not related ? How can you maintain power when you actually believe in contradictory values ? Well.. you can't, so for that, you need to confuse the debate and stop people for thinking about what you believe in.

Let me quote you what I said on the thread about the political leaning of this forum:

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What I didn't realized at the time is the political compass of the staff.

- Why are some mods considering that a forum for Mangas shouldn't get a political thread ?
- Why are some mods considering that saying that Minks are just dumb animals is completely normal ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing Carrot a feminine girl and praising another girl Yamato because of her having masculine attribute (while trashing her actual personnality) is not revealing of any sexist behavior ?
- Why are some mods considering that some form of transphobia are not acceptable but others are ?
- Why are some mods tickled by the action of someone politically labelling others ?
- Why are some mods considering that trashing repetitively on a poster can't be considered toxic and in some cases harrassment ?
- Why are some mods considering normal that posters insults each others here ?
- Why are some mods considering we shouldn't act on the spread of negativity on a forum ?
- Why are some mods considering that calling out the toxicity of other is synonymous of being ourselve toxic ?


Added to that : the structures of power will always used their power/lies/gaslight/ to undermine the questionning of their structure. All the more in moments where the opposition has absolutely no way to contradict its words:

Remember what I said a few month ago: This forum is not just the place where a bunch of nerds reunites:

- The Staff/power is showing a face of apolitism but is really depicting liberals, anti leftist and centrist ideas (you can see that on this thread in majority)
- Toxicity is enabled in a number of discussion and the power only acts in the most radical cases (for example when there is clear case of harrasment and dogpilling, there is no reaction from the staff, and I'm not talking only about my case here)
- The majority of posters, just like in society are rejecting the politization of the story they are praising and are mostly leaning toward apolitism and liberalism. (a bit of progressism.. but not too much... Once someone question racist bias in a discussion, this is too much)
- There is a overwhelming presence of bigoted and conservative ideas and people in the places where politics are discussed and they bare an overwhelming stricking power.
- The radical, simple leftist ideas are invisibilized and laughed at. They are an extreme minority.
- The oppressions are only fought in surface and there is no systemic resolutions taken to stop any kind of bigotry

The point is simple : This forum is just a mini-representation of our society.

So.. what do we do when we want to better society ?

And the problem is not really van or Al, they are just the product of our politically confused society where nerd should not get to talk to much about politics in place were its not obvious.. They are the product of the win of "liberal centrism" the rise of conservatism and the depolitization of the masses..

But hey, this shouldn't stop us from questionning our environments.

Anyway.. note here the absence of warning shots. This time the staff/power knew that no matter how they acted, the debate would continue. So, the tool of the threadban was used. And it will continue as I will bring on and on politization of the subject and others.

So there are basically three way this could end:

- Either I stop talking about the political subjects because I'm tired of talking about it (lol, good luck with that)
- Either I'm banned definitely for keeping bringing up political subjects because those confused folks are tired of continuously banning me (and I will be ban again and again until they are tired of it)
- Either the staff understands that the rules about politics of the forum helps the invisibilization of strong important subjects and enable the development of toxic behaviors and they understands that politics have a place in EVERY debate as long as it is linked to the subject (like it was the case here) as politics are just the reflection on the conflict of values.

So.. @TheAncientCenturion , what is your prefered choice ?

Are you ready to endorse the definitive ban (or continuous ban) of someone on the principles that they are questionning the structure and political compass of your forum ?

Make a stance or ignore me mate. What do you believe in ?

Dude you need to chill out .

Sometimes you take this place too serious .

 

[Ravagerblade]

Dude you need to chill out .

Sometimes you take this place too serious .

It's apart of his ideology, He'll brigade on and on and on, It's a mindvirus. This is why his brand of bullshit has no actual place in the RL. Doomed to die out and fade away. But hey You support his side more anyways So /shrug

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

It's apart of his ideology, He'll brigade on and on and on, It's a mindvirus. This is why his brand of bullshit has no actual place in the RL. Doomed to die out and fade away. But hey You support his side more anyways So /shrug

Explain more of his side I don’t necessarily agree with whatever he say .


I support LGBT and equality to everyone if anyone has problem I will shut them up .

 

[Herrera95]

No, I asked for the thread to be Nuked to recreate it under another form.. still "woke" by your standards... but you can believe in your dreams mate, nobody will stop you.

Just like Putin is trying to make Soviet Union again after the first one admittedly it failed

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Dude you need to chill out .

Sometimes you take this place too serious .

 

[Logiko]

Just like Putin is trying to make Soviet Union again after the first one admittedly it failed

Wow

This is why his brand of bullshit has no actual place in the RL

My dear ravager... if only you understood just how wrong you are..

 

[Uncle Van]

Explain more of his side I don’t necessarily agree with whatever he say .


I support LGBT and equality to everyone if anyone has problem I will shut them up .

Just generalizing. You can be leftist but not socialist. You can be leftist but anti-lgbtq. You can right wing but anti-religion etc.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

his brand of bullshit has no actual place in the RL. Doomed to die out and fade away.

You kinda sound scared

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Just generalizing. You can be leftist but not socialist. You can be leftist but anti-lgbtq. You can right wing but anti-religion etc.

Dick Cheney supports lgbt as well just saying

I would say I am traditional centrist tilt towards right because I favor Capitalism it has worked for many years .

 

[Logiko]

You can be leftist but anti-lgbtq

Lmao.

Bro... No you can't.

If you are anti Lgbtq+ you are not a leftist. You are what we call a "red brown". Someone who is trying to appear as a leftist but with bigoted ideas.

Leftism is not about a party. Its about a set of values. No wonder you have such a hard time understanding me. You are completely confused.

I favor Capitalism it has worked for many years

Yeah.. Its working so well........

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

This thread is so stupid

 

[Uncle Van]

Dick Cheney supports lgbt as well just saying

I would say I am traditional centrist tilt towards right because I favor Capitalism it has worked for many years .

You can be conservative and support lgbtq

Unlike a few idiots here who think everything is black and white and don't know terms by definition, it ain't that simple. I'm not anti-capitalist which is right wing, but I think the private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased, and that housing shouldn't be a tradable commodity, all of which are leftist or even flat out socialist.

 

[Herrera95]

Dick Cheney supports lgbt as well just saying

I would say I am traditional centrist tilt towards right because I favor Capitalism it has worked for many years .

Saying right or left never made much sense to me.

Is more about more estate or less estate in my opinion.

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private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased

Let's take a look at Brazil then. App services like Uber and UberEats are getting regulated. Let's see how well it will end up for workers.

Heads up the most paid workers here in Brazil give up their rights in order to earn more money and decide what to do with it.

We also have a high % of unemployed here around 8%

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

estate

 

[Herrera95]

????

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Dick Cheney supports lgbt as well just saying

I would say I am traditional centrist tilt towards right because I favor Capitalism it has worked for many years .

Hitler was a also vegetarian btw

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????

You want less estate aka less property? If you wanna get rid of your property just sell it i guess?!

 

[Logiko]

Saying right or left never made much sense to me.

Because you don't understand the reasons why those terms exist in the first place...

You can be conservative and support lgbtq

This is actually true. But this would mean that those people are living with contradictions..

This thread is so stupid

Its debatable. On one hand its a good place to bring random political subjects on the table, on the other, the fact that it is THE place to talk about politic makes it a conflictual place.

In reality, there should be at least two places (which is why I'm keeping "the woke place" alive. One for simple leftists, socialists, anarchist and communist and one for simple rightist, liberal/ultra liberal and conservative. This would help reduce the conflictuality. The problem is that there is not a lot of real leftists (and not just liberals who says they support lgbt+) on this forum and the rightist/liberals/centrist are mostly letting the conservatists speak here, which makes this thread an echo chamber for bigoted ideas.

This is why I try to create such an echo and why I ask the staff to authorize the politization of other places of discussion in order to reintegrate political reflexions in the places where they belongs, instead of letting bigots occupy the only place for it and thus allowing the rest of the forum to stay a place of toxicity incapable of questionning itself.

The lack of understanding for the politization of stories and discussions about stories by the right would therefore be balanced by more positive reflexions of leftists like me who understand the importance for the politization of diverse subject. This would gradually negates the ambiant toxicity of the forum bit by bit. This might also negate a bit the reputation of the trash enabling nature of the forum, but it would increase consequently its quality.

Unlike a few idiots here who think everything is black and white and don't know terms by definition, it ain't that simple. I'm not anti-capitalist which is right wing, but I think the private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased, and that housing shouldn't be a tradable community, all of which of leftist or even flat out socialist.

But you consider that its okay for people to display transphobia (that deem yourself to be "not transphobia" or "buzzwords"), you do not see the problem with people displaying bigoted and very problematic ideas here, you are against the politization of important subjects, the recognition of systemic issues and the reflexion about sexism and racism through the lens of the visions of pop culture fandom on their story, you believe in the all mighty "nuanced society" and you don't understand what is wrong with dogpillings or harrassments, sometimes even participating in it.

Those are the vision of someone who understands that there is problem in society, but refuses to question the system or themself: In my "idiot" book (nobody is fooled) . We call people like you "progressive liberals" (and I'm being kind). In short, the most leftists part of the right spectrum.

But hey... maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you just have a strong bias against me which makes you appear as really not endeering. Maybe you are actually the right of the leftist spectrum, let's see:

What do you think about the notion of meritocracy ?

 

[Herrera95]

Because you don't understand the reasons why those terms exist in the first place...

I know pretty well. French revolution. It made sense just at time. Not in current days.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

You can be conservative and support lgbtq

Unlike a few idiots here who think everything is black and white and don't know terms by definition, it ain't that simple. I'm not anti-capitalist which is right wing, but I think the private sector should be weakened, worker rights increased, and that housing shouldn't be a tradable community, all of which of leftist or even flat out socialist.

Wage structure has been issue for example railway network, Airline , Automobile industry needs to have both private and govt body on board to fix the grievance of workers .

Again If you try to undermine private entities they will move offshore that’s why you see Apple being produced in China , Vietnam .

There is no perfect solution to be honest You can’t let Capitalism gain complete control over govt and Govt interfering and tell them how to run.

 

[Uncle Van]

Wage structure has been issue for example railway network, Airline , Automobile industry needs to have both private and govt body on board to fix the greivancd of workers .

If you try to undermine private entities they will move offshore that’s why you see Apple being produced in China , Vietnam .

That is true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.

 

[Herrera95]

That it's true which is why I say that it's not so simple. When California increased taxes for the wealthy, they all jumped ship to states like Texas. Then Cali tried making the worker class cover the bill which a chunk of them leave too. Now Cali is an ever-growing shithole.

Those with money got too many other options to dip.

That's why more estate always end up tending to a more dictatorship approach