Controversial General Political Discussion

[Herrera95]

But man I don't know how this thread is a Logiko show.

To be honest he is almost the only leftist that tries to arguments. All the others are like "Ugh... This is so obvious I don't even lose my time but instead will keep replying to you showing my 'unamusement' to you"

 

[Roo]

I think most conservatives support LGBs, the Ts are the issue, to a point that some of the LGBs want to stay away from the group. When they add the rest of the alphabet because of their delusions any amount of good faith will be gone.
EDIT: This Dave special on the T's is spot on in what I mean

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Dave has swung pretty right on trans people that he’s exactly what he complains about, just on the right.

most trans people just want to be accepted and be left alone, the constant attention they get from the reactionaries is way more annoying than your random libsoftiktok teacher

 

[Logiko]

Meritocracy is literally based on principles of confucianism you can’t say it doesn’t exist .

One of major demerits is social inequality and bias in selection . It generally breeds Autocracy in long run .

For meritocracy to exist, meritocracy as a system would need to work as intended.

This is not what happens in the facts. It truly cannot happen, like never. The concept of meritocracy relies on a principle that hard work and will alone can help you achieve your goals when in reality, social progress is the result of a large number of principle and social structure that usually enters in conflict with the concept of "will" and "hard work".

This is why meritocracy doesn't exist and will never, ever, exist.

But your victim mentality problem is to say that you are treated differently from the others.

I'm not. That's what I'm trying to tell you. The mods don't like me just like they don't like other people who break the rules or threaten their structure. I'm not special here.

To be ban for saying what you want, and possibly having that content removed, it is essentially to be censored either you feel like it or not

The day when I will explain to someone that they are bigoted and I'm banned for it in a place where its permitted, then yes. I will feel like I'm being censored. But its hasn't happened yet.

Like I said. I don't feel like I'm being censored, simply because I accept the rules. I'm only trying to push them further. That's the difference between me and you.

again victim mentality

Like I said, I'm not a victim of this structure of power. You are the one depicting a victim mentality here my dear.....

the old content creator fallacy of One Piece being about politics

Fallacy ?

There is nothing about politics in One Piece or at least the bare minimum.

So you don't understand what "being political" means.. Gotcha

One Piece story is about bad guys doing purposefully bad stuff to good people and then a neutral party (Luffy is generally good but he can do bad stuff too) came to put an end into bad guys tiranny and then good guys took over and everything starts to go well. The only politics here is that bad guys were corrupted and good guys are not. There is no mention (as far I remember) about different views on politics to allow people grow.

Also One Piece World is all dominated by monarchy. So the only real free people are the anarchists pirates that proves people can be good without law (Roger, Whitebeard, Shanks, Luffy and their crew).

It is way different from Attack on Titan for example when both parties are at the same side but have different views on how to make things better (despite still having corruption and other real life society problems) or even when two nations that kind of doesn't want war but they are forced to it because of their history. Attack on Titan is heavily political. One Piece is bare minimum if any at all.

lol

(There is really nothing to reply to this... you are just in denial)

I don't know much about far right being problematic

Here, a little bit of help:

Rings a bell ? Nothing ?

dictatorships

That can happen yes. Like any kind of ideology or party, this is not specific to the far left.

What you don't understand is that the far right IS PROBLEMATIC BY ESSENCE. The far left is not :)

o libertarian is essentially to defend every people rights equally

Not exactly. Libertarianism is the radical side of liberalism. In reality its not progressive its sighly authoritarian. It believes in absolute freedom in every corner, which creates situation where some people's rights are booted over by other people's "freedom".

For example El Salvador president is highly condemned into libertarianism because he is being kind of a dictator when fighting the crime and not giving people proper justice

I don't know about the situation of this nation but I highly doubt that. No dictature "works" . Dictature is by principle a system that doesn't work since it removes foundamental rights.

Abolishing private property is a core tenet of socialism tho

Not for all socialists.

In an ideal socialist societies the workers will control the means of production

In the communism part of socialism yes. Not in the reformist part of it. I'm sighly in between for now.

But man I don't know how this thread is a Logiko show.

It only is the case because I bring a vision that contradict the ones of the majority of the poster here.. So like any controversial subject, this creates a debate. And since I don't stop....

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Abolishing private property is a core tenet of socialism tho. In an ideal socialist societies the workers will control the means of production, not some rich capital owner. That includes homes, which can be used to extract profit from the tenants

Socialist always lead to communism unfortunately .


But again there are socialist in Sweden, Denmark so again there are diverse group of people who champion mixed economy .

 

[Logiko]

Socialist always lead to communism unfortunately

Not necessarily, in France socialism lead to liberalism. It depend on the values of the politics. Also why "unfortunately" ?

 

[Roo]

Socialist always lead to communism unfortunately .


But again there are socialist in Sweden, Denmark so again there are diverse group of people who champion mixed economy .

the socialist that want communism are Leninist because he believed it is the end goal of socialism. There are socialist who are okay with not going that far

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Not necessarily, in France socialism lead to liberalism. It depend on the values of the politics. Also why "unfortunately" ?

The final goal of socialists is to eliminate private ownership .

I don’t know French socialists maybe they are not really socialists as you think .

 

[Malakhith]

Like there is no productivity in arguing about their experience as a delusion rather than a truth to them with which we may not agree. And yeah there is a difference.

There isn't. ''truth to them'' is just a buzzword. the fact is that they believe something that is not real. And even calling it delusion is being more fair than some of those people deserve.

Dave has swung pretty right on trans people that he’s exactly what he complains about, just on the right.

most trans people just want to be accepted and be left alone, the constant attention they get from the reactionaries is way more annoying than your random libsoftiktok teacher

Nah. Those with gender disphoria are like that.

 

[Logiko]

I don’t know French socialists maybe they are not really socialists as you think .

Well. not anymore. But once upon a time, they were and their goal was simply the reformism.

Again, socialism is a large concept that doesn't necessarily tends toward communism. Socialism is a broad ideology that simply aims toward social harmony overall through the understanding of social phenomenons and social structures.

There isn't. ''truth to them'' is just a buzzword

 

[Mathias]

Well. not anymore. But once upon a time, they were and their goal was simply the reformism.

The French Socialist Party of nowadays isn’t even a bit socialist. They’re Neo Liberal scum. Mitterand was socialist, even more than current Mélenchon who isn’t going as far as him

the socialist that want communism are Leninist because he believed it is the end goal of socialism. There are socialist who are okay with not going that far

Various kind of commies, not only Marxist Leninist, use socialism as a bridge

 

[Roo]

There isn't. ''truth to them'' is just a buzzword. the fact is that they believe something that is not real. And even calling it delusion is being more fair than some of those people deserve.


Nah. Those with gender disphoria are like that. Alphabet people on twitter are just abominations that should disappear and are not worth of being included with them.

Twitter overall is a cesspool, the worst people regardless of ideology get the most likes/retweets

 

[Logiko]

The French Socialist Party of nowadays isn’t even a bit socialist. They’re Neo Liberal scum. Mitterand was socialist, even more than current Mélenchon who isn’t going as far as him

Indeed.

 

[Fn Lucci]

There isn't. ''truth to them'' is just a buzzword. the fact is that they believe something that is not real. And even calling it delusion is being more fair than some of those people deserve.

Right, so here is your perspective. And whatever, it works for you and you can have it. But that's really not what Dave was trying to open himself up to supporting. And he sure as hell isn't the one slipping "there are only two genders" T-shirt sales into his comedy bits. That sort of misrepresentation is shitty

 

[Herrera95]

The day when I will explain to someone that they are bigoted and I'm banned for it in a place where its permitted, then yes. I will feel like I'm being censored. But its hasn't happened yet.

Like I said. I don't feel like I'm being censored, simply because I accept the rules. I'm only trying to push them further. That's the difference between me and you.

Like I said you clearly doesn't understand censorship. By your logic It is not censorship when North Korea prohibits anyone from talking bad about the country since it is the rule of the country.

So you don't understand what "being political" means.. Gotcha

Yes but that goes to you.

Here, a little bit of help:

Rings a bell ? Nothing ?

Not actually since you have Putin and Hitler there that would be totally against each other while both are also against Israel and USA. And what exactly is the problem with people protesting against Biden's election? We had the same at 2016 against Trump(retoric question I know the problem is Trump since you only see a problem with everything related to him).

And funny how you want to call Nazism and Fascism a Far-right thing when them both born into the left.

Oh and if Benjamin is Far-Right it can't be that bad...
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Not exactly. Libertarianism is the radical side of liberalism. In reality its not progressive its sighly authoritarian. It believes in absolute freedom in every corner, which creates situation where some people's rights are booted over by other people's "freedom".

People seeking freedom are authoritarian... Coming from someone with high dictator tedencies I'm not surprised. And as always you don't understand a bit of libertarianism or antropology/history at all.

I don't know about the situation of this nation but I highly doubt that. No dictature "works" . Dictature is by principle a system that doesn't work since it removes foundamental rights.

That's why I'm wondering if it is worth it or not. I'm not saying it works just saying that it solved security problem which is usually the major one. I guess economic is going good as well but it is something related to bitcoin I guess.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

There isn't. ''truth to them'' is just a buzzword. the fact is that they believe something that is not real. And even calling it delusion is being more fair than some of those people deserve.


Nah. Those with gender disphoria are like that. Alphabet people on twitter are just abominations that should disappear and are not worth of being included with them.

If you think they believe in sonething that's not real what about minding your own business and letting them be!? You sound like those guys who call people who beilieve in god "psychotic "

 

[Logiko]

Like I said you clearly doesn't understand censorship. By your logic It is not censorship when North Korea prohibits anyone from talking bad about the country since it is the rule of the country.

Yes it is. But there is no such thing on this forum, sorry.

Yes but that goes to you.

No really.. you don't understand. Which is ok. Not everyone understand why Stories are political, it doesn't mean that they can't appreciate it. But as someone who loves storytelling, I can assure you. Stories and specifically One Piece are ALL political.

Not actually since you have Putin and Hitler there that would be totally against each other while both are also against Israel and USA

Its funny that you think that far right people from different background would necessarily like eachothers..

You got it completely wrong. usually, the far right despise other far right. You got a great example with the white supremacist far right against the Islamist far right.

And what exactly is the problem with people protesting against Biden's election?

Insurrection. It wasn't a simple protest.

We had the same at 2016 against Trump

Nop.

And funny how you want to call Nazism and Fascism a Far-right thing when them both born into the left.

You just proved that you don't understand what are and where come from fascism and Nazism.

People seeking freedom are authoritarian...

When they use their own freedom to attack the rights of others, yes.

Coming from someone with high dictator tedencies I'm not surprised

You don't really understand what you are saying, do ya ?

And as always you don't understand a bit of libertarianism or antropology/history at all

Sadly for you, I do. Not much, but enough.

That's why I'm wondering if it is worth it or not.

Its not. Period.

 

[Herrera95]

No really.. you don't understand. Which is ok. Not everyone understand why Stories are political, it doesn't mean that they can't appreciate it. But as someone who loves storytelling, I can assure you. Stories and specifically One Piece are ALL political.

Can't even tell what politcs One Piece is about.

Its funny that you think that far right people from different background would necessarily like eachothers..

You got it completely wrong. usually, the far right despise other far right. You got a great example with the white supremacist far right against the Islamist far right.

That just fits because you label them like that when they are not.

Insurrection. It wasn't a simple protest.

Just like the ones I showed.

You just proved that you don't understand what are and where come from fascism and Nazism.

Both came from National Socialism parties.

When they use their own freedom to attack the rights of others, yes.

They are up to consequences if they do.

You don't really understand what you are saying, do ya ?

Talking to yourself now?

Sadly for you, I do. Not much, but enough.

No you don't.

Its not. Period.

Yet you defended lockdowns and censorship

 

[Zenos7]

As long as the pregnancy happened without the consent of the mother (rape) or the pregnancy either causes the mother to suffer the risk of death or the child suffers from some deformity that makes living impossible or a living hell. If the mother wants to kill the child because she was stupid to open her legs to a asshole fuck her.

what if contraception failed?
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@Logiko @Herrera95 @Zenos7 @Ravagerblade @Uncle Van If they ever met

http://imgur.com/a/CAptIFa

At least my that's my headcanon. I bet y'all would get along great in real life

no one is smoking weed there, so cant be me

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

no one is smoking weed there, so cant be me

This explains a lot actually

 

[Zenos7]

This explains a lot actually

elaborate