Break Week How can you enjoy Kaido in Wano arc?
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This kinda leads me to believe he wont fall this arc and will get more much needed characterization later, especially with the new onigashima project announcement and the fact that this alliances goal is to conquer the world, their ties to rocks and blackbeard. There is too much for it to randomly end here.
Also i dunno about oden decreasing his hype, we already knew oden scarred him, and we already knew that Oden was strong. Not just strong but very very strong, Whitebeard himself aknowledged him. So it is not too far fetched to think that a young non prime kaido would struggle. Make no mistake tho, they were portrayed pretty equal imo. Oden was wary of him and was trying to kill him in his sleep/drunk(thats after they fought in the castle). And while kaido wanted to decrease odens rep, he never said he wouldve lost if oden fought them right then and there, just that it would be a difficult battle.
Kaido got arrogant and got severely wounded in his dragon form,. the same one luffy was raggdolling in g3. It is clearly not a form suitable for 1vs1 combat, he had no way to block odens incoming slashes and paid the price. Now if oden and kaido engaged in battle after that, kaido wouldve been at a severe disatvantage as he was heavily wounded. Anyways i dont see it as a dehype as the possibility of kaido getting stronger over the years is very real and there is nothing that goes against it.
Where in the manga?
Also i dunno about oden decreasing his hype, we already knew oden scarred him, and we already knew that Oden was strong. Not just strong but very very strong, Whitebeard himself aknowledged him. So it is not too far fetched to think that a young non prime kaido would struggle. Make no mistake tho, they were portrayed pretty equal imo. Oden was wary of him and was trying to kill him in his sleep/drunk(thats after they fought in the castle). And while kaido wanted to decrease odens rep, he never said he wouldve lost if oden fought them right then and there, just that it would be a difficult battle.
Kaido got arrogant and got severely wounded in his dragon form,. the same one luffy was raggdolling in g3. It is clearly not a form suitable for 1vs1 combat, he had no way to block odens incoming slashes and paid the price. Now if oden and kaido engaged in battle after that, kaido wouldve been at a severe disatvantage as he was heavily wounded. Anyways i dont see it as a dehype as the possibility of kaido getting stronger over the years is very real and there is nothing that goes against it.
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Where in the manga?
A few points to your post
From what I can tell it was a smole clash after Orochi stopped them by blackmailing Oden, there's no indication that they fought for hours nor the castle was strong enough to withstand a fight between Oden and Kaido when Nami and others almost destroyed it.
I don't remember Oden saying that he will kill Kaido while he's drunk, could you please show me the page?
Yes indeed, but Samurais and Yakuza would have been chickens whiteout heads if it wasn't for Oden, Oden was the only one who could heart Kaido while the rest wouldn't even able to scratch him needles to say be threat to him. The only one that caused threat to Kaido was Oden and not Wano country nore the advantage of numbers, Kaido and Orochi wanted to have more military strength since they weren't sure that Kaido can defeat Oden, Kaido wasn't sure that he can defeat Oden. For example if Whitbeard was able to defeat all Admirals he would have won the battle regardless the fact that Marians had advantage in numbers 95 to 1.
While we all expect Kaido to have become stronger during 20 years it doesn't really matter at this point, Oden himself said that if can't defeat Kaido then nobody can, which means that even if Kaido has become stronger then not by much cuz I don't expect Kaido becoming much more powerful than Whitbeard when Oden says that nobody can defeat him in their era.
From what I can tell it was a smole clash after Orochi stopped them by blackmailing Oden, there's no indication that they fought for hours nor the castle was strong enough to withstand a fight between Oden and Kaido when Nami and others almost destroyed it.
I don't remember Oden saying that he will kill Kaido while he's drunk, could you please show me the page?
Yes indeed, but Samurais and Yakuza would have been chickens whiteout heads if it wasn't for Oden, Oden was the only one who could heart Kaido while the rest wouldn't even able to scratch him needles to say be threat to him. The only one that caused threat to Kaido was Oden and not Wano country nore the advantage of numbers, Kaido and Orochi wanted to have more military strength since they weren't sure that Kaido can defeat Oden, Kaido wasn't sure that he can defeat Oden. For example if Whitbeard was able to defeat all Admirals he would have won the battle regardless the fact that Marians had advantage in numbers 95 to 1.
While we all expect Kaido to have become stronger during 20 years it doesn't really matter at this point, Oden himself said that if can't defeat Kaido then nobody can, which means that even if Kaido has become stronger then not by much cuz I don't expect Kaido becoming much more powerful than Whitbeard when Oden says that nobody can defeat him in their era.
Your problem for misreading kaido's personality for being a bloothirsty barbarian is not on him or oda. How is it disappointing if his goal is to have a great war, for him to try to recruit strong people? That actually shows how confident he is in himself.
Kaido was nowhere near the waterfall, he wasnt scared of fighting big mom as evidenced when he fed her and freed her to fight her. He was not wanting to start a war in his own base, he litteraly said it would start an all out war in wano. Which he doeesnt want ofc as it would destroy his homebase.
Again, show me the panel where he was shitting his pants at the idea of fighting oden. There is none.
Kaido was introduced as fearless and he still is, he wasnt fearing for himself as evidenced by him fighting big mom. So again, its just plain wrong.
Even in the oden flashback he never once showed fear,ever. He was shown as cunning tho and scheming. Which is interesting. What he did was to reduce odens numbers so he would suffer the less losses
Again, look. He never shows fear nor does he say he would lose. Just that it wouldve been a very different battle if oden just decided to say fuck it and fight right then and there, its called strategy and cunning.
And i like it, i already listed what i dislike about kaido tho. And it has nothing to do with any of this as everything you said my friend, is factually wrong.
Kaido was nowhere near the waterfall, he wasnt scared of fighting big mom as evidenced when he fed her and freed her to fight her. He was not wanting to start a war in his own base, he litteraly said it would start an all out war in wano. Which he doeesnt want ofc as it would destroy his homebase.
Again, show me the panel where he was shitting his pants at the idea of fighting oden. There is none.
Kaido was introduced as fearless and he still is, he wasnt fearing for himself as evidenced by him fighting big mom. So again, its just plain wrong.
Even in the oden flashback he never once showed fear,ever. He was shown as cunning tho and scheming. Which is interesting. What he did was to reduce odens numbers so he would suffer the less losses
Again, look. He never shows fear nor does he say he would lose. Just that it wouldve been a very different battle if oden just decided to say fuck it and fight right then and there, its called strategy and cunning.
And i like it, i already listed what i dislike about kaido tho. And it has nothing to do with any of this as everything you said my friend, is factually wrong.
A few points to your post
From what I can tell it was a smole clash after Orochi stopped them by blackmailing Oden, there's no indication that they fought for hours nor the castle was strong enough to withstand a fight between Oden and Kaido when Nami and others almost destroyed it.
I don't remember Oden saying that he will kill Kaido while he's drunk, could you please show me the page?
Yes indeed, but Samurais and Yakuza would have been chickens whiteout heads if it wasn't for Oden, Oden was the only one who could heart Kaido while the rest wouldn't even able to scratch him needles to say be threat to him. The only one that caused threat to Kaido was Oden and not Wano country nore the advantage of numbers, Kaido and Orochi wanted to have more military strength since they weren't sure that Kaido can defeat Oden, Kaido wasn't sure that he can defeat Oden. For example if Whitbeard was able to defeat all Admirals he would have won the battle regardless the fact that Marians had advantage in numbers 95 to 1.
While we all expect Kaido to have become stronger during 20 years it doesn't really matter at this point, Oden himself said that if can't defeat Kaido then nobody can, which means that even if Kaido has become stronger then not by much cuz I don't expect Kaido becoming much more powerful than Whitbeard when Oden says that nobody can defeat him in their era.
From what I can tell it was a smole clash after Orochi stopped them by blackmailing Oden, there's no indication that they fought for hours nor the castle was strong enough to withstand a fight between Oden and Kaido when Nami and others almost destroyed it.
I don't remember Oden saying that he will kill Kaido while he's drunk, could you please show me the page?
Yes indeed, but Samurais and Yakuza would have been chickens whiteout heads if it wasn't for Oden, Oden was the only one who could heart Kaido while the rest wouldn't even able to scratch him needles to say be threat to him. The only one that caused threat to Kaido was Oden and not Wano country nore the advantage of numbers, Kaido and Orochi wanted to have more military strength since they weren't sure that Kaido can defeat Oden, Kaido wasn't sure that he can defeat Oden. For example if Whitbeard was able to defeat all Admirals he would have won the battle regardless the fact that Marians had advantage in numbers 95 to 1.
While we all expect Kaido to have become stronger during 20 years it doesn't really matter at this point, Oden himself said that if can't defeat Kaido then nobody can, which means that even if Kaido has become stronger then not by much cuz I don't expect Kaido becoming much more powerful than Whitbeard when Oden says that nobody can defeat him in their era.
I got it, here it is. He was planning to kill him while he was drunk/asleep, basically an assassination attempt.
And thats exactly it flames, kaido nor oden were yonko/admiral level and the castle is huge. Dont underestimate Zeus.
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He atleast implied he was over akainu and used the wsc monaker to say that mothers are the strongest creatures, even stronger than kaido. Meaning he views his title as about legit as they come,coming from the author, you know.
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You never read the Manga properly anyway, I don't like wasting my time on you but I'll try tonight :
The ciztens were clearing outside,
The time frame between. When Kaido appears in the sky and goes human inside and when Oden comes out after Orochi makes a deal is hours long as Oda said "however hours later... Oden came out dancing naked... "
The whole thing, since oden went to Orochi, Kaido entrance and his exit was HOURS long.
Kaido and Oden fought an hour at least in the castle (more than they did at the war, 1 v 1)
prime Oden was even enraged yet Nobody was superior there, Orochi then blackmailed him.
Kaido never had a problem fighting Oden. His issues was his weak army fighting Wano warriors.
I forgot both were below Yonko level so bad that Their CoC clash was inferior to Katakuri and Luffy CoC clash even.
We know that :
Hybrid Kaido > Base Kaido which is fact.
Base Kaido ~ prime Oden confirmed at the castle.
Dragon Kaido =< Oden as seen in the war. They didn't even fight 1 v 1 more than 30 min.
If Oden was superior he wouldn't think of killing Drunk sleeping kaido
He wouldn't doubt winning or hyping Kaido if he fails.
He would dominate Base Kaido, and force Kaido to use hybrid or named attacks.
At the war:
Prime Oden using his swords, haki and named attacks Vs Kaido not using Haki, club and Hybrid form.
Huge target dragon.
These guys don't pay attention to details, they just write whatever.
Being above dragon Kaido means nothing when his trademark is his club and base /hybrid mode.
Dragon Kaido can only Spam Fire and fly, no club, no close combat skills.
Wano is sure messy but Oda still had to make Kaido not look so bad by restraining him or making him not fight oden with his best moves and mode.
I'm Starting to think again, Kaido and oden were low top tiers or inbetweeners...
Their battle is similar to Luffy vs Kata but inferior even since Luffy and kata have better CoC clash and more fighting skills.
Kaido vs oden was just :
I Spam my fire, you attack back, I hit you back.
That's a poor written battle. A battle between unskilled fighters.
That's all I can say.
The ciztens were clearing outside,
The time frame between. When Kaido appears in the sky and goes human inside and when Oden comes out after Orochi makes a deal is hours long as Oda said "however hours later... Oden came out dancing naked... "
The whole thing, since oden went to Orochi, Kaido entrance and his exit was HOURS long.
Kaido and Oden fought an hour at least in the castle (more than they did at the war, 1 v 1)
prime Oden was even enraged yet Nobody was superior there, Orochi then blackmailed him.
Kaido never had a problem fighting Oden. His issues was his weak army fighting Wano warriors.
I forgot both were below Yonko level so bad that Their CoC clash was inferior to Katakuri and Luffy CoC clash even.
We know that :
Hybrid Kaido > Base Kaido which is fact.
Base Kaido ~ prime Oden confirmed at the castle.
Dragon Kaido =< Oden as seen in the war. They didn't even fight 1 v 1 more than 30 min.
If Oden was superior he wouldn't think of killing Drunk sleeping kaido
He wouldn't doubt winning or hyping Kaido if he fails.
He would dominate Base Kaido, and force Kaido to use hybrid or named attacks.
At the war:
Prime Oden using his swords, haki and named attacks Vs Kaido not using Haki, club and Hybrid form.
Huge target dragon.
These guys don't pay attention to details, they just write whatever.
Being above dragon Kaido means nothing when his trademark is his club and base /hybrid mode.
Dragon Kaido can only Spam Fire and fly, no club, no close combat skills.
Wano is sure messy but Oda still had to make Kaido not look so bad by restraining him or making him not fight oden with his best moves and mode.
I'm Starting to think again, Kaido and oden were low top tiers or inbetweeners...
Their battle is similar to Luffy vs Kata but inferior even since Luffy and kata have better CoC clash and more fighting skills.
Kaido vs oden was just :
I Spam my fire, you attack back, I hit you back.
That's a poor written battle. A battle between unskilled fighters.
That's all I can say.
Oden did really dehype Kaido lets just hope this boring arc will end fast nothing here is breath taking
His executives are fodders , his crew is a joke and the arc is not exciting its boring
Kaido lost his menacing presence I would fear one Admiral more than the whole beast pirate crew I hope the arc ends fast and we can see the real big fighters like Admirals or CP-0
Its all Odas fault he made the Yonko jokes they are not menancing one Admiral can solo them like they trashed Jozu he wastes too much time on fodders like them
His executives are fodders , his crew is a joke and the arc is not exciting its boring
Kaido lost his menacing presence I would fear one Admiral more than the whole beast pirate crew I hope the arc ends fast and we can see the real big fighters like Admirals or CP-0
Its all Odas fault he made the Yonko jokes they are not menancing one Admiral can solo them like they trashed Jozu he wastes too much time on fodders like them
Oden didnt clap him, kaido didnt lose. He injured him severely in dragon form, the form that cant block. He was shown fighting oden just fine in the castle. clapping isnt the right word.
100 hostages isnt on kaido, its orochi and they werent hostages but offerings as far as kaido was concerned.
Shanks lost his arm to a fish.
Kaido ''lost''( not clapped) to someone primbeard recognized as a monster 20 years ago. Comparing Oden to fodder and magellan shows the problem with people and reading this manga imo. They cant separate their preconceived ideas and emotions from pure cold logic.
He was not scared, he never said they would lose. Just that if oden decided to fight then and there it wouldve been hard. Hence reducing the numbers/support for an easier victory.
100 hostages isnt on kaido, its orochi and they werent hostages but offerings as far as kaido was concerned.
Shanks lost his arm to a fish.
Kaido ''lost''( not clapped) to someone primbeard recognized as a monster 20 years ago. Comparing Oden to fodder and magellan shows the problem with people and reading this manga imo. They cant separate their preconceived ideas and emotions from pure cold logic.
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He was not scared, he never said they would lose. Just that if oden decided to fight then and there it wouldve been hard. Hence reducing the numbers/support for an easier victory.
Whiteout Oden the Wano people would even able to scratch him, it wasn't about Wano vs Beast Pirates but Kaido vs Oden, the whole plat of Wano is that whiteout Oden they don't have the strength to defeat Kaido, Ashura Doji specifically said that they don't have anyone to fallow.
Kaido had already taken over the country, he could give a 1v1 opportunity to Oden and find out whether he can defeat him or not.
Kaido has a respect for strength it's part of his character to fight fair, if Kaido was that much sure that he can defeat Oden whiteout help why didn't he do that.
I specifically said in the thread that Kaido let Orochi to increase the temperature of oil cuz he didn't want Oden to survive.
Kaido had already taken over the country, he could give a 1v1 opportunity to Oden and find out whether he can defeat him or not.
Kaido has a respect for strength it's part of his character to fight fair, if Kaido was that much sure that he can defeat Oden whiteout help why didn't he do that.
Hes scared of him suriving? Is that why he did this?
Whoa, a truly frighetened man right there.
You say oden is superior durability wise and endurance wise to kaido yet he got one hit by the same ''scared and frightened and heavily injured'' kaido? Do you even read what youre typing or what?
And excuse me but im pretty sure that getting hit over the head heals faster than getting slashed in two throughout your stomach.
It is your opinion tho i guess, but to me kaido then isnt the same as the kaido now so im fine with your ridiculous claims, as most of them are baseless and unfounded.
Whoa, a truly frighetened man right there.
You say oden is superior durability wise and endurance wise to kaido yet he got one hit by the same ''scared and frightened and heavily injured'' kaido? Do you even read what youre typing or what?
And excuse me but im pretty sure that getting hit over the head heals faster than getting slashed in two throughout your stomach.
It is your opinion tho i guess, but to me kaido then isnt the same as the kaido now so im fine with your ridiculous claims, as most of them are baseless and unfounded.
I got it, here it is. He was planning to kill him while he was drunk/asleep, basically an assassination attempt.
And thats exactly it flames, kaido nor oden were yonko/admiral level and the castle is huge. Dont underestimate Zeus.
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He atleast implied he was over akainu and used the wsc monaker to say that mothers are the strongest creatures, even stronger than kaido. Meaning he views his title as about legit as they come,coming from the author, you know.
Oden said himself that if he can't defeat Kaido then nobody in their era can, and you're saying me they weren't Yonko level? man I hope you're right I truly do but I know Oda, he's hardcore Fanboing over Oden and Samurais so I don't think it's true.
anyone to follow doesnt equate not having the strength as right now they are doing it since they found people to follow. What you think doesnt matter.
Kaido said word for word in manga that they wouldve had a harder time if oden decided to fight then and there as the whole wano wouldve supported him, thats fact. What youre saying isnt fact, its opinion.
Kaido giving oden the 1vs1 opportunity would give him 0 benefit, as far as we are concerned those two are about equal and if say, his retainers+ yakuza decide to walk in on that, why should kaido risk the country he just acquired exactly?
Oil? What are you talking about. I gave you all the manga panels. Kaido said they would still win if oden decided to fight there but it wouldve been difficult, they decided to make it easier. Thats it. Thats what the manga says.
Moria fought kaido 2 years prior, i doubht they were yonko/admiral lvl back then.
And i could use that top right panel of oden sweating to say oh look how afraid he is just like you used the kaido one, except kaido just got his chest opened up, hence sweat and blood.
Oden was obviously surprised but people can take it as shock/fear.
Kaido said word for word in manga that they wouldve had a harder time if oden decided to fight then and there as the whole wano wouldve supported him, thats fact. What youre saying isnt fact, its opinion.
Kaido giving oden the 1vs1 opportunity would give him 0 benefit, as far as we are concerned those two are about equal and if say, his retainers+ yakuza decide to walk in on that, why should kaido risk the country he just acquired exactly?
Oil? What are you talking about. I gave you all the manga panels. Kaido said they would still win if oden decided to fight there but it wouldve been difficult, they decided to make it easier. Thats it. Thats what the manga says.
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Moria fought kaido 2 years prior, i doubht they were yonko/admiral lvl back then.
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And i could use that top right panel of oden sweating to say oh look how afraid he is just like you used the kaido one, except kaido just got his chest opened up, hence sweat and blood.
Oden was obviously surprised but people can take it as shock/fear.
It is true that Kaido was ''supposed'' to be the strongest but seeing Jack created the opposite feeling for me.
Jack lost pretty much every fight he participated in to the point that I have been calling him Jack the L.
Add to this the intro of Kaido where it is said that he keeps losing.
The deduction I drew from it is that the Gimmick of the BP is that they are VERY strong but keep losing...
Jack lost pretty much every fight he participated in to the point that I have been calling him Jack the L.
Add to this the intro of Kaido where it is said that he keeps losing.
The deduction I drew from it is that the Gimmick of the BP is that they are VERY strong but keep losing...
Jack losing to an admiral/former fleet admiral/ and strong vice admiral while sinking their ships and surviving is a huge feat tf.
Him surviving a litteral islland ramming him is also a huge feat, it was to show his resilience.
Kaidos intro said his 7 losses but then goes on to say he is the strongest and bet on him 1vs1.
Luffy lost a shit ton too by the way. Yet he will become the strongest.
People are too fixated on the losses.
Him surviving a litteral islland ramming him is also a huge feat, it was to show his resilience.
Kaidos intro said his 7 losses but then goes on to say he is the strongest and bet on him 1vs1.
Luffy lost a shit ton too by the way. Yet he will become the strongest.
People are too fixated on the losses.