Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1110 Spoilers Discussion
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What does the time limit matter when it's factually the limit of both fighters.
I can tell this much that finger lasers are not the extent to Kizaru’s abilities. Feel free to die on that hill.
Lmao. What a fucking lier and you pretend like you argue based on facts ?
First of the second Luffy entered Gear 5 he absolutely raped Lucci. Dodging all of his attacks, sending him flying with non-aCoC moves multiple times and nearly knocking him out something that hasn't happened to Kizaru.
Kizaru fought Gear 5 Luffy off-screen for an entire round, after beating the shit out of Snakeman. When Kizaru was focused on Luffy Kizaru wasn't touched ONCE. He successfully defended himself against every single attack up to the point Luffy reached his limit, then he left and the moment Luffy caught up he landed an attack on a Kizaru that just shifted his attention to Vegapunk.
WSG absolutely shits on all attacks that Luffy hit Lucci with, that attack would kill the cat while it merely managed to render Kizaru immobile for a minute.
Lucci was turned into a bloody mess wrapped up in bandages after three basic attacks while Kizaru has yet to show any signs of permanent damage from several G5 sneak attacks even infused with aCoC.
Even Kizaru’s weakest stat which is durability shits on Lucci.
Keep spreading your nonsense. We both know full well that you will suck the shit out of Kizaru the second it looks like he fights Zoro.
I can tell this much that finger lasers are not the extent to Kizaru’s abilities. Feel free to die on that hill.
Lmao. What a fucking lier and you pretend like you argue based on facts ?
First of the second Luffy entered Gear 5 he absolutely raped Lucci. Dodging all of his attacks, sending him flying with non-aCoC moves multiple times and nearly knocking him out something that hasn't happened to Kizaru.
Kizaru fought Gear 5 Luffy off-screen for an entire round, after beating the shit out of Snakeman. When Kizaru was focused on Luffy Kizaru wasn't touched ONCE. He successfully defended himself against every single attack up to the point Luffy reached his limit, then he left and the moment Luffy caught up he landed an attack on a Kizaru that just shifted his attention to Vegapunk.
WSG absolutely shits on all attacks that Luffy hit Lucci with, that attack would kill the cat while it merely managed to render Kizaru immobile for a minute.
Lucci was turned into a bloody mess wrapped up in bandages after three basic attacks while Kizaru has yet to show any signs of permanent damage from several G5 sneak attacks even infused with aCoC.
Even Kizaru’s weakest stat which is durability shits on Lucci.
Keep spreading your nonsense. We both know full well that you will suck the shit out of Kizaru the second it looks like he fights Zoro.
I was joking about Lucci > Kizaru btw
He's more or less same tier as Law Kidd Sabo Yamato @SakazOuki
Although Kidd hasn't exactly earned a right to be placed alongside others.
Imo Luffy/Gorosei > Zoro/Kizaru > Lucci > Others this arc
Unless Kizaru shows me something..I am not bout to put him on Yonko level.
He's more or less same tier as Law Kidd Sabo Yamato @SakazOuki
Although Kidd hasn't exactly earned a right to be placed alongside others.
Imo Luffy/Gorosei > Zoro/Kizaru > Lucci > Others this arc
Unless Kizaru shows me something..I am not bout to put him on Yonko level.
That is how things work.
You determine the difficulty of battle based on how much power they used compared to how much overall power they possess. Kaido would have a much harder time beating a YC1 character while only fighting in base mode and not using ACoC than he would if he used more or all his power. Does that mean Kaido is YC1+ just because he had a harder time beating an opponent while using less power? Of course not. That is what you are claiming and you are wrong.
You determine how much difficulty Zoro has in battle based on the number of swords he used the majority of time, who much power he use and the sword style techniques he use. There's a difference between Zoro beating an opponent while using 2 swords the majority of time and using only one sword style technique compared to Zoro using 3 swords majority of the time and using two or three sword style techniques.
There's a difference between Zoro using 2 or 3 swords compared to Zoro using a 2 sword style or 3 sword style. Zoro explained that to us when he faced the cat brother. Zoro went from struggling against the cat brothers to beating them with one attack.
It's true, the strength of Zoro sword style techniques are not determined by the number of swords it uses. But that not the case when it comes to determining Zoro's power level based on the number of swords he use. Zoro using 3 swords is stronger than Zoro using 2 swords. Zoro using 2 swords stronger than Zoro using 1 sword. As I said swords, not sword style.
Order from strongest to weakest goes:
9 swords - peak power level
3 swords - main power level
2 swords - casual power level
1 swords
0 swords
You talk about Killer telling Zoro things would have been different if he had his punisher blades. Yet, you left out Zoro's response where he stated it would have been the same regardless. Thats the truth because Zoro didn't use a single 2 or 1 sword style technique against Killer like he did when he faced zombie Ryuma and was limited to only using 2 swords.
Whenever we seen Zoro using 2 swords majority of the time he's facing a character who's nowhere close to his level and once he stops playing around he beats them. It happened to Hody, Monet, Pica, Hawkins, Killer, and Apoo. Lucci falls into the same category. He's just another opponent used to stall Zoro and show off Zoro's strength.
Zoro fights against King placed him on top tier, not YC1+. King is a YC1 who's harder to damage then Kaido or BM. Even internal destruction attacks can't hurt him in his flame mode as proven when Lucci and Luffy failed to hurt S-Bear with their internal destruction attacks. Luffy compared S-Bear to Kaido because of King's lunarian powers.
After Zoro mastered enma and obtained ACoC he was dominating the battle against King and had a King on the run. Zoro was clashing against King with normal CoA haki coated sword and King couldn't overpower him. He beat King with 3 attacks. 1 nameless attack, 1 low end techniques and 1 high end technique. Even his high end technique was nothing more than a KoH dragon style ultra tiger hunt, a mid-level technique. He never used asura mode or any high end techniques with KoH or dragon style.
2 swords Zoro is YC1 because that's what the manga is showing us against Lucci. Lucci is a YC1 who's fighting Zoro at peak power and I can't overpower 2 swords Zoro and control the battle. Zoro forces Lucci to go from being confident he could kill all the SH to being happy he can stall 2 swords Zoro.
You determine the difficulty of battle based on how much power they used compared to how much overall power they possess. Kaido would have a much harder time beating a YC1 character while only fighting in base mode and not using ACoC than he would if he used more or all his power. Does that mean Kaido is YC1+ just because he had a harder time beating an opponent while using less power? Of course not. That is what you are claiming and you are wrong.
You determine how much difficulty Zoro has in battle based on the number of swords he used the majority of time, who much power he use and the sword style techniques he use. There's a difference between Zoro beating an opponent while using 2 swords the majority of time and using only one sword style technique compared to Zoro using 3 swords majority of the time and using two or three sword style techniques.
There's a difference between Zoro using 2 or 3 swords compared to Zoro using a 2 sword style or 3 sword style. Zoro explained that to us when he faced the cat brother. Zoro went from struggling against the cat brothers to beating them with one attack.
It's true, the strength of Zoro sword style techniques are not determined by the number of swords it uses. But that not the case when it comes to determining Zoro's power level based on the number of swords he use. Zoro using 3 swords is stronger than Zoro using 2 swords. Zoro using 2 swords stronger than Zoro using 1 sword. As I said swords, not sword style.
Order from strongest to weakest goes:
9 swords - peak power level
3 swords - main power level
2 swords - casual power level
1 swords
0 swords
You talk about Killer telling Zoro things would have been different if he had his punisher blades. Yet, you left out Zoro's response where he stated it would have been the same regardless. Thats the truth because Zoro didn't use a single 2 or 1 sword style technique against Killer like he did when he faced zombie Ryuma and was limited to only using 2 swords.
Whenever we seen Zoro using 2 swords majority of the time he's facing a character who's nowhere close to his level and once he stops playing around he beats them. It happened to Hody, Monet, Pica, Hawkins, Killer, and Apoo. Lucci falls into the same category. He's just another opponent used to stall Zoro and show off Zoro's strength.
Zoro fights against King placed him on top tier, not YC1+. King is a YC1 who's harder to damage then Kaido or BM. Even internal destruction attacks can't hurt him in his flame mode as proven when Lucci and Luffy failed to hurt S-Bear with their internal destruction attacks. Luffy compared S-Bear to Kaido because of King's lunarian powers.
After Zoro mastered enma and obtained ACoC he was dominating the battle against King and had a King on the run. Zoro was clashing against King with normal CoA haki coated sword and King couldn't overpower him. He beat King with 3 attacks. 1 nameless attack, 1 low end techniques and 1 high end technique. Even his high end technique was nothing more than a KoH dragon style ultra tiger hunt, a mid-level technique. He never used asura mode or any high end techniques with KoH or dragon style.
2 swords Zoro is YC1 because that's what the manga is showing us against Lucci. Lucci is a YC1 who's fighting Zoro at peak power and I can't overpower 2 swords Zoro and control the battle. Zoro forces Lucci to go from being confident he could kill all the SH to being happy he can stall 2 swords Zoro.
Yes.
I mean, whatever was needed to briefly put down Lucci was low diff - decent effort (G5 and advanced armament + some clashes and hits), no damage.
But to put him truly down, Luffy would've needed advanced Conqueror's which means a low-mid diff.
Not a straight up mid diff IMO, cause Luffy would've sustained no damage by the end of the fight
I mean, whatever was needed to briefly put down Lucci was low diff - decent effort (G5 and advanced armament + some clashes and hits), no damage.
But to put him truly down, Luffy would've needed advanced Conqueror's which means a low-mid diff.
Not a straight up mid diff IMO, cause Luffy would've sustained no damage by the end of the fight
- Never happened same as ZKK never happened, it was never mentioned Lucci only, it was Marines + whole CP together
- It was right after defeating Dragon, Sabo and Revolutionary army and destroying Baltigo Island, no reason to stay there after being tired
- 800 Marines were kidnapped, and Lakainu couldn't use 2 Seraphims to fight Teach on Amazon, same Zolo + Kaku puffing vs S-Hawk alone.
- Zolo used KOH and couldn't one-shot Lucci before clown, he is puffing panting like a bitch, another L
- It was right after defeating Dragon, Sabo and Revolutionary army and destroying Baltigo Island, no reason to stay there after being tired
- 800 Marines were kidnapped, and Lakainu couldn't use 2 Seraphims to fight Teach on Amazon, same Zolo + Kaku puffing vs S-Hawk alone.
- Zolo used KOH and couldn't one-shot Lucci before clown, he is puffing panting like a bitch, another L
Didn't Kizaru spent entire fight running away from Nika and cheap shotting him and he still got one shot?
@TheAncientCenturion I have been banned for a lot less
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@TheAncientCenturion I have been banned for a lot less
Luffy literally fought seraphim for 12 hours after ragdolling Lucci with basic moves lmao
He had Rayleigh huffing for his life and desperate, without really using his devil fruit besides the sword
Half assing pizza dough dogwalked the MC and his mentor, now imagine what Akainu would do to these guys
I think Lucci gets one shot by Kizaru‘s island distance clone attack btw, Zoro might survive but not without heavy injuries
He had Rayleigh huffing for his life and desperate, without really using his devil fruit besides the sword
Half assing pizza dough dogwalked the MC and his mentor, now imagine what Akainu would do to these guys
I think Lucci gets one shot by Kizaru‘s island distance clone attack btw, Zoro might survive but not without heavy injuries
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