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Let's not give Gokei's feats and portrayal to the other 6 
You might say because Gokei was Shinryoukunβs vassal, but like. There were no other Wei commanders of Gokeiβs caliber after the Fire Dragon War. Hara always portrayed the initial seven as equals with only Houmei being distinguished from them and even that is up for debate.
The out of prime, suicidal Shi Ei lmfao
That is who Ouhon defeated lol, and even this version of Shi Ei might be too much for Renpa who canβt defeat Kyou En and who canβt stop Rinko
Gokei is Qin 6 level yes, and he is equal in ability to the other Fire Dragons. At no point in this manga has he been stated to be stronger than them, as much as your retarded ass wants that to be true
That is who Ouhon defeated lol, and even this version of Shi Ei might be too much for Renpa who canβt defeat Kyou En and who canβt stop Rinko
Gokei is Qin 6 level yes, and he is equal in ability to the other Fire Dragons. At no point in this manga has he been stated to be stronger than them, as much as your retarded ass wants that to be true
I mean he had a decade or so to grow and accumulate more experience (stats be damned)
I always thought that Gokei was on the same general level as the other 6 at the time of the civil war but grew in overall abilities instead of rotting away in jail or being dead
Then why did Earl Shi's faction beat Taroji's? Not saying there were giant gaps in-between though
I always thought that Gokei was on the same general level as the other 6 at the time of the civil war but grew in overall abilities instead of rotting away in jail or being dead
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Then why did Earl Shi's faction beat Taroji's? Not saying there were giant gaps in-between though
And what did he do in that decade? Gokeiβs entire character was about how he had been trying to retire from the battlefield but kept being drawn back in against his own will. He was like Ouki and Renpa by the point we met him, semi-retired with his goal to be living the rest of his life in the Wei Capitol lol.
So itβs not like Gokei was touring battlefields constantly and continuing to build his abilities, he literally stated that he had been trying to quit the battlefield. Again one of my favorite Kingdom moments was his βthis is why I canβt quit the business!!β Line. Lol
Yeah again this just isnβt Gokeiβs character. He kept trying to retire only to be reluctantly dragged back out onto the battlefield itself.
So itβs not like Gokei was touring battlefields constantly and continuing to build his abilities, he literally stated that he had been trying to quit the battlefield. Again one of my favorite Kingdom moments was his βthis is why I canβt quit the business!!β Line. Lol
Yeah again this just isnβt Gokeiβs character. He kept trying to retire only to be reluctantly dragged back out onto the battlefield itself.
Sou'Ou knows Moubu is a big guy who uses a mace, he saw Jiaga was also a big big who uses a mace and made a quick comparison that he clearly didn't spend much thought on and shouldn't be taken seriously based off Shiryou fighting Jiaga equally lol
I don't even get what you're saying. Downplaying Gokei for losing to a duel because he lost on a duel to Duke who lost to Houken is ridiculous because he's a tactician mostly
And Ouki being decisively about the Duke martially doesn't mean Gokei isn't Qin 6 level. Ouki's weakest commander Doukin would neg Koshou but that doesn't change the fact Koshou is on Ouki's level
By Sou'ou. Are you really implying that the opinion and experience of Sou'ou is equal to that of Legendary Great General Ouki of the Qin Six?
Duke Hyou did not beat Gokei on his own merit. He needed two solutions that he had zero control over or even awareness of (Shin+Kyoukai dealing with chariots and Ouki coincidentally coming across his battlefield while going on holiday to visit Renpa) to force Gokei off of his hill to give him the chance to close the gap between himself and Gokei. Even then, the gap was only eventually closed by additional factors outside of his control such as Heki + Shin launching an attack from the hill they could only hold due to Ouki's arrival and Gokei's stubborn personality to refuse to give ground to an invasion force.
Despite all that external assistance and outside factors, Hyou's Army was toasted to the point that it was unable to achieve the campaign objective to capture the target Wei city despite the death of Gokei. Gokei achieved his campaign objective, Hyou failed his.
Hyou, a man that was offered a position amongst the Qin Six, was hammered so badly by Gokei that he needed the author to toss actual Qin Six Ouki to save his hide. Hara had to Ouki ex Machina to let Hyou have a chance of winning.
TL;DR it took two Great Generals to defeat Fire Dragon Gokei.
Duke Hyou did not beat Gokei on his own merit. He needed two solutions that he had zero control over or even awareness of (Shin+Kyoukai dealing with chariots and Ouki coincidentally coming across his battlefield while going on holiday to visit Renpa) to force Gokei off of his hill to give him the chance to close the gap between himself and Gokei. Even then, the gap was only eventually closed by additional factors outside of his control such as Heki + Shin launching an attack from the hill they could only hold due to Ouki's arrival and Gokei's stubborn personality to refuse to give ground to an invasion force.
Despite all that external assistance and outside factors, Hyou's Army was toasted to the point that it was unable to achieve the campaign objective to capture the target Wei city despite the death of Gokei. Gokei achieved his campaign objective, Hyou failed his.
Hyou, a man that was offered a position amongst the Qin Six, was hammered so badly by Gokei that he needed the author to toss actual Qin Six Ouki to save his hide. Hara had to Ouki ex Machina to let Hyou have a chance of winning.
TL;DR it took two Great Generals to defeat Fire Dragon Gokei.
Wars between Great Generals donβt happen every day lol, and we know Gokei was mostly by Shinryoukunβs side as he was directly a vassal of his. Couple this with his low experience stat and outwardly stated attempts to retire, and yeah thereβs really not much behind the notion of him surpassing the other Fire Dragons
Again I have to stress Shi Ei is the best spear in the (known) history of Kingdom. Gokei isnβt even the best mind in the history of Wei alone
Again I have to stress Shi Ei is the best spear in the (known) history of Kingdom. Gokei isnβt even the best mind in the history of Wei alone