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Logiko

Logiko

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Zenos7 said:
Im well aware. What does this have to do with deliberately misrepresenting what people say though?
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In this case, I'm not missrepresenting anything. Trump incitated a coup. Period. Saying that is not a missrepresentation, its describing a fact.

And in the case of bleach, questionning about putting bleach into syringe has the SAME power of dangerosity as explaining that bleach can fix covid. So explaining that Trump is doing something dangerous is not representing his words, its showing how dangerous his words actually are.

Again, words have power.


Zenos7 said:
Not defending shit tho
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You don't understand why jumping on any occasion to explain me the relevance of a transphobic definition or jumping to explain why Donald Trump did not actually incite an issurection or when you denounce "woke shit" is a defense of rightist (and worse) rethoric ?

Dude... come on.You should know what a pattern is. I'm not even being that hard with you. Any real leftist would have already put you into the box of conservative sympathizers without even taking the time to reply to you.

Zenos7 said:
Science still isnt on any side.
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Well technically, its me who is on science's side yes.
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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Logiko said:
this case, I'm not missrepresenting anything. Trump incitated a coup. Period. Saying that is not a missrepresentation, its describing a fact.

And in the case of bleach, questionning about putting bleach into syringe has the SAME power of dangerosity as explaining that bleach can fix covid. So explaining that Trump is doing something dangerous is not representing his words, its showing how dangerous his words actually are.

Again, words have power.
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It is a misrepresntation, hence my initial response.

And my later example is the same. The media pushed this idea that trump told people to drink/inject disinfectant when he simply didnt. You dont need to lie about his statements to show he is saying retarded and dangerous stuff. Just makes you look bad in the process tbh
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Logiko said:
You don't understand why jumping on any occasion to explain me the relevance of a transphobic definition or jumping to explain why Donald Trump did not actually incite an issurection or when you denounce "woke shit" is a defense of rightist (and worse) rethoric ?

Dude... come on.You should know what a pattern is. I'm not even being that hard with you. Any real leftist would have already put you into the box of conservative sympathizers without even taking the time to reply to you
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Transphobic definition?

Actual definitions you mean lol. Sorry for not going against definitions everyone and their mother is using like you do.

Elaborate on denouncing woke shit as well.

But well, i dont expect anything but strawmen or other antilogic bs from you on this anyway. . .
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Logiko said:
Well technically, its me who is on science's side yes
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Yes. We've been over this plenty of times, dunno why you still say it the other way around all the time.
 
Zemmi

Zemmi

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Zenos7 said:
It is a misrepresntation, hence my initial response.

And my later example is the same. The media pushed this idea that trump told people to drink/inject disinfectant when he simply didnt. You dont need to lie about his statements to show he is saying retarded and dangerous stuff. Just makes you look bad in the process tbh
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People push say things out of context all the time or even blatantly lie and people who want the narrative to be true run with it instead of search for the full context as watching the speech or a video in its entirety. It's easy to hold onto your point of view if you never question it or interact outside the line of thinking.
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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Zemmi said:
People push say things out of context all the time or even blatantly lie and people who want the narrative to be true run with it instead of search for the full context as watching the speech or a video in its entirety. It's easy to hold onto your point of view if you never question it or interact outside the line of thinking.
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Ye and its just intellectually ridiculous and lazy to respond to people calling out your lies with lame ass shit like "oh so you support/defend trump you right winger blabla". No im fucking not.
 
Logiko

Logiko

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Zenos7 said:
It is a misrepresntation, hence my initial response.
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No.. Its not. That's the reality mate.


Zenos7 said:
The media pushed this idea that trump told people to drink/inject disinfectant when he simply didnt.
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Dude, when I say "words have power" I mean that you don't need to say "take the capitol" or "drink bleach" to actually tell those things implicitly to your followers. Any influencers and good politician KNOWS that. Come on !

So yes, both things where said, not in words but heavily implied. One intentionnaly the other not so much. That's the reality. And when you jump on the first occasion to say "no" when the entire left and even democrate who are rightist agree to denounce those... well you take a side.


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telling a realist how to be a realist lol
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Looking at the way you are (trying) to trash me, let me question this assertion...


Zenos7 said:
Transphobic definition?

Actual definitions you mean lol. Sorry for not going against definitions everyone and their mother is using like you do.

Elaborate on denouncing woke shit as well.

But well, i dont expect anything but strawmen or other antilogic bs from you on this anyway. . .
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I won't have this argument again. And what you are saying is just proving me that you didn't understand anything. So its useless and like I said, any leftist would understand why you are not on our side.


Zenos7 said:
Yes. We've been over this plenty of times, dunno why you still say it the other way around all the time.
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Abuse of language. Yes in this case, I'm on the side of science. Which is the opposite of 95 % of the poster here.
 
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Saturn-sama

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Zenos7 said:
Im well aware. What does this have to do with deliberately misrepresenting what people say though?
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Wasnt talking bout you there but the nutjobs on fanverse
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Not defending shit tho
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Science still isnt on any side.
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Wdym bogus science?
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Got any evidence for hell or satan?
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Yes far left woke progressive politicians, journalists, activists, rich elites and unpeople like logiko. it‘s clear they are a breed of satan.
 
Zemmi

Zemmi

GodMommie
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Saturn-sama said:
Yes far left woke progressive politicians, journalists, activists, rich elites and unpeople like logiko. it‘s clear they are a breed of satan.
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I wouldn't call them Satan. I think they are misguided into thinking they are doing good without realizing how much harm they are doing. Many of the normal people believe the lies of the movement leaders which know very well they are up to know good and the regular people believe close to a utopia can exist.
 
Zenos7

Zenos7

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Logiko said:
Dude, when I say "words have power" I mean that you don't need to say "take the capitol" or "drink bleach" to actually tell those things implicitly to your followers. Any influencers and good politician KNOWS that. Come on !

So yes, both things where said, not in words but heavily implied. One intentionnaly the other not so much. That's the reality. And when you jump on the first occasion to say "no" when the entire left and even democrate who are rightist agree to denounce those... well you take a side.
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trump says the mofos should be peaceful.
you: he implicitly said they should do an insurrection

trump says doctors should research using disinfectant/uv to combat covid
you: he implicity said people should drink bleach


yeah no bro, you are deliberately misrepresenting what is said with massive reach. and me calling you out has nothing to do with me being right wing (im not) or conservative (im not) or supporting/defending trump (im not) or being against left wingers (im not). not all left wingers join in on the gross misrepresentation to get political brownie points either (*wave*)

i wonder if you can ever stop being this much of a disingenuous shithead
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Logiko said:
I won't have this argument again. And what you are saying is just proving me that you didn't understand anything. So its useless and like I said, any leftist would understand why you are not on our side.
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not surprised at all that you cant substantiate your bs.

disagreeing with your nonsense =/= not understanding anything. i understand very well, you are just full of shit most of the time.
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Logiko said:
Which is the opposite of 95 % of the poster here.
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you cherry pick the convenient science to your political views just like bob, herrera, ravagerblade. though granted they are much worse than you are
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Saturn-sama said:
Yes far left woke progressive politicians, journalists, activists, rich elites and unpeople like logiko. it‘s clear they are a breed of satan.
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so basically : here is a bunch of people i dont like, therefore satan.

this is retarded and not at all evidence in any way shape or form.
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Zemmi said:
I wouldn't call them Satan. I think they are misguided into thinking they are doing good without realizing how much harm they are doing. Many of the normal people believe the lies of the movement leaders which know very well they are up to know good and the regular people believe close to a utopia can exist.
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some are def just conmen, who dont care about the harm they are doing. and obviously you'll find such peeps on all sides (inb4 antilogiko says this is only true for right wingers because reasons (massive bias))
 
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Herrera95

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Zemmi said:
I wouldn't call them Satan. I think they are misguided into thinking they are doing good without realizing how much harm they are doing. Many of the normal people believe the lies of the movement leaders which know very well they are up to know good and the regular people believe close to a utopia can exist.
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The vision I have of them is that they are bunch of hypocrites that claim love but spits hate to whoever doesn't agree 💯 % with their opinions that they like to call as facts and science.

By the way science is full of bullshit nowadays mainly because of them to create bunch of fake studies and for whatever reason scientific community started to praise quantity of work over quality of work.
 
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