Chapter Discussion Zoro Vs Lucci is the WORST Fight In One Piece.

[Necrohol]

IS THAT IT?????

I’m sorry but this is without a doubt the most disappointing fight in One Piece. Anti Climatic isn’t even the word THIS IS JUST BAD…..

But if you still don’t understand here I’ll go into depth about it.

Let’s put things into perspective here,

Zoro Vs Mr.1 Ch. 190-195 6 Chapters.

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

Zoro Vs Kaku Ch. 401-417 17 Chapters

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

Zoro Vs Pica Ch. 749-778 30 Chapters

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

Zoro Vs King Ch. 1022-1036 15 chapters

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

And now we have
Zoro Vs Lucci Ch. 1091-1110

20 chapters………………………..

20 F*CKING CHAPTERS!!!!

For this conclusion…………… Not even a full double page spread of them fighting. This fight was a complete waste of Time. Doesn’t matter how much stronger Zoro then the opponent, Jimbei Vs Who’s Who and Luffy Vs Blueno are proof Low diff fights can have good choreography.
Beyond nasty work by Oda to not atleast give the fight a dedicated chapter……..

This is catastrophic

You know hurts the most about this?? ITS FREAKING ROB LUCCI arguably the Choreography King amongst Villains in the series.

Let me show you what Choreography with Rob Lucci is capable of looking like

Spoiler: LUCCI CHOREOGRAPHY

BIG missed opportunity here for this fight.

Oda off panels everything nowadays. Yes, IT SUCKED.

 

[Afroking]

I didnt expect Zoro to do Lucci in, this hard tbh. Oda really tanked Lucci stocks singlehandedly with this chapter.

In better Oda choreography ,this is basically what Zoro did to Lucci this chapter while landing his attack.If Oda drew like in Ennies lobbies ,that shit would go hard.

 

[L57]

In better Oda choreography ,this is basically what Zoro did to Lucci this chapter while landing his attack.If Oda drew like in Ennies lobbies ,that shit would go hard.

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Zoro was only moving his head walking towards lucci

 

[ConquistadoR]

In better Oda choreography ,this is basically what Zoro did to Lucci this chapter while landing his attack.If Oda drew like in Ennies lobbies ,that shit would go hard.

Seeing Pre Ts Lucci panels now and seeing this fight... its sickening how shit the fights in this manga have become.

 

[Zemlya]

Zoro vs Lucci is the worst fight? If you can even call it a fight

Too much free time between luffy vs kizaru and Nusjuro arriving, so zoro needed something to do. Carrying boxes and letting people die in your arms while you run away in fear doesn't fit zoro's style, so oda had him toy with awakened Lucci until he needed him.




Lo and behold, the elders have arrived, and Lucci has departed.

 

[The White Crane]

We have to start making definitions of things that “look” like fights but aren’t

I don’t even know what to call what this was… i knew it was going to be bad the moment we just cut back to Nami having TANKED AN ULTI MORTAR OFFSCREEN

This feat is ridiculous in every sense of the word. In an actual fight this would be the climactic moment… Nami is considered a glass canon, Ulti’s headbutt has been proven to overpower and damage Luffy even with his haki activated… now Ulti is doing the same headbutt but now she’s using her full Dinosaur form so it’s even stronger than the one that overpowers Luffy

this is set to be a ridiculous feat that shocks the reader that Nami isn’t the glass canon we thought she was and after tanking this attack she would manage to pull out last minute move to beat Ulti and then pass out from the severe damage of such a ridiculous attack… this is what would happen in An actual fight

instead this was happened is not only not climactic at all, as in Nami does this at the very start of their fight and is seemingly not that injured MEANING SHE CAN ACTUALLY SORT OF CASUALLY TANK HITS LIKE THIS NOW… it also happens offscreen

I cannot in good faith call this is a fight

we need new words for such things… Oda does this too many times for us to ignore… this thing where feats are meaningless to the power scale as long as they happened OFFSCREEN… Oda doesn’t have to even consider the implications of what he’s writing since it’s all offscreen

We need a new word for this.. these aren’t fights

I refuse to consider this as a fight, it was the worst written piece of shit I had the displeasure of witnessing and also made clear there’s absolutely nothing to expect from the weaklings outside panel wasting as long as Lolda is writing this series. A good author would be able to make them useful by making use of their wits, which is far above Lolda’s actual writing abilities .

I agree with both your sentiments. However, your reactions confirmed to me that my pick was correct.

 

[pg13]

Usopp & Nami vs Ulti & P1 was far worse.

That was never portrayed as an actual fight/matchup etc. So I’ll let that slide.

 

[JoNdule]

If the fight is really over, this is a complete shame.

Rob Lucci is one of the fighters with the best action choreography in the ENTIRE manga.
Zoro vs Lucci is a great matchup because of that, and in terms of personalities/character too.

I really, really, hope this is not the end of it, otherwise it would be one of the worst missed opportunities in Oda's career (in terms of battles).

Oda had to choose between writing Lucci competently or Hyping Zoro to make zoro fans happy

So he gave them the usual boring fight and W to Zoro

 

[The White Crane]

That was never portrayed as an actual fight/matchup etc. So I’ll let that slide.

The same logic can then be applied to Zoro vs Lucci, which you'll also let slide.

Right?

 

[AkainuTheGrimReaper]

Oda should show one chapter zoro vs lucci full fight . It ain't hard, oda need to stop adding random plot . Just one chapter fighting focus, don't care it is low diff or high diff. At least make effort to show the fight.

What next oda draw zoro one shot milhawk without black lighting because he is lazy to draw lighting ?

 

[The White Crane]

Oda should show one chapter zoro vs lucci full fight . It ain't hard, oda need to stop adding random plot . Just one chapter fighting focus, don't care it is low diff or high diff. At least make effort to shoestring fight.

What next oda draw zoro one shot milhawk without black lighting because he is lazy to draw lighting ?

I have a feeling we'll have to leave it to TOEI to make Zoro vs Mihawk amazing, like they did to Zoro vs King.

 

[Afroking]

Seeing Pre Ts Lucci panels now and seeing this fight... its sickening how shit the fights in this manga have become.

I think the lack of focus and wanting to fill the fight with dialogue is what dumpens the fights. When Oda focuses he can still draw some good panels like Kaidou vs Luffy 1037 or what chapter it was.

1000 to 1003 while not heavy on choreography it was still better than this shit.

Even Zoro vs Kamazou which was even smaller had a 2-3 panel choreography that was good enough personally. Drawing the actual movement of the weapons and the force behind them.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

Oda had to choose between writing Lucci competently or Hyping Zoro to make zoro fans happy

So he gave them the usual boring fight and W to Zoro

I’m a Zoro fan and I’m not happy

you think people prefer this to like Zoro vs Ryuma?

btw Zoro vs Ryuma is very similar power scale wise… Zoro never gets hit in the Zoro vs Ryuma fight, and also he beats Ryuma without going all out… Which in power scaling terms is exactly the same as Zoro vs Lucci… just another mid diff

Do you think people, or Zoro fans specifically, would prefer this lame ass Lucci vs zoro shit or the Zoro vs Ryuma fight?

One of the things I don’t like about you Ndule is that your agenda shit is too baked into your ability to even analyze this story… like there are people here who can agenda war while also being able to understand that the actual story Oda is writing is not actually about agendas… you aren’t one of those people

I legit think you cannot make a single observation about Zoro without your agenda bias. It’s legitimately impossible for you.

Anyway, to each their own

 

[Jika]

Nah I think it was pretty good.

Fighting lucci for 6 months, shows what level Zoro is at. A good reminder from Oda.

Leave the yonko fighting for the top tiers.

 

[ImmaIvanoM]

It's because Oda spends the bulk of his time when it comes to drawing fight panels, adding in thousands of meticulous details for people to power scale over. From huffs, to bruise counts, to where the person is looking, to the way the person is talking, how they are standing, are their arms held too high, or too low, is their knees bent to much, is their beak bent, how many dots of blood was spilt, did it mess their hair up, did they use their left leg, etc..etc...

If Oda would just stop obsessing over those powerlevel details, he'd have enough time to draw longer fights....

This is probably the funniest thing I’ve read today. Good job

 

[Aknolagon]

IS THAT IT?????

I’m sorry but this is without a doubt the most disappointing fight in One Piece. Anti Climatic isn’t even the word THIS IS JUST BAD…..

But if you still don’t understand here I’ll go into depth about it.

Let’s put things into perspective here,

Zoro Vs Mr.1 Ch. 190-195 6 Chapters.

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

Zoro Vs Kaku Ch. 401-417 17 Chapters

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

Zoro Vs Pica Ch. 749-778 30 Chapters

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

Zoro Vs King Ch. 1022-1036 15 chapters

Spoiler: CONCLUSION

And now we have
Zoro Vs Lucci Ch. 1091-1110

20 chapters………………………..

20 F*CKING CHAPTERS!!!!

For this conclusion…………… Not even a full double page spread of them fighting. This fight was a complete waste of Time. Doesn’t matter how much stronger Zoro then the opponent, Jimbei Vs Who’s Who and Luffy Vs Blueno are proof Low diff fights can have good choreography.
Beyond nasty work by Oda to not atleast give the fight a dedicated chapter……..

This is catastrophic

You know hurts the most about this?? ITS FREAKING ROB LUCCI arguably the Choreography King amongst Villains in the series.

Let me show you what Choreography with Rob Lucci is capable of looking like

Spoiler: LUCCI CHOREOGRAPHY

BIG missed opportunity here for this fight.

This means everyone is a gangsta until Zoro appears.

More seriously, we all know Oda is bad when there is a sword involved in a fight.

And you really thought Lucci gonna give to Zoro any difficulties ? he was alive because Zoro didn't touch him even once. It was just a matter of time.

 

[pg13]

The same logic can then be applied to Zoro vs Lucci, which you'll also let slide.

Right?

Even if you wanted to count that as a fight Ulti and Page One are not held to the standard Lucci is. Lucci is established we know what he’s capable of combat wise which is big part of why this fight was the worst. They also don’t have the hype and expectation Lucci has either. And honestly if we count it as a fight ITS STILL better and more interesting then Zoro Vs Lucci…….

 

[MonsterKaido]

Made lucci a pointless character

 

[zzShinichi]

Oda just wants some memes out of this fight

 

[Redboy776]

Na, Lucci giving Green Kaido a fight was a no, it had gone as expected.