Controversial General Political Discussion

[Nuit Rouge]

Because it is.


Like we thought. Communist. Except that communist actually kill alphabet and people from other race.


You already killed freedom on the paragraph above.





It looks interesting but I really doubt it would practically work. People has their own lives to take care instead of focusing too much on politics like we do.


That's exactly why it wouldn't work this society it would collapse because I see the majority naive of people voting for shit like that which looks good on paper without understanding a shit about economics and how this would ruin the country.

Minimal wage only purpose is to create unemployment. It was made right after abolition of slavery to prevent blacks from taking the jobs of whites by being less paid. What raises the salary of an employer is his productivity, his skills making him a valuable asset of the company and a rare employee to get, and the demand/offert that this employee have. If we only had known teacher in USA for example this teacher would be the richest person in the world because everyone would be in need of a teacher and then the person can higher the value of work a lot.

And what you even mean with refound the police? The people who are wiling to work as police is pretty much there already. Such a thing would just higher the chance of criminals getting inside it earlier and climbing the positions to the top easier.


Like you denied and I said earlier. You are a communist.

And yet pretty much many if not all State structures around the world can't be saved by a single hero. But enough of them to composite the powers of executive, legislative and of course judgment(not sure if this is the right word) which is the most difficult(at least in my country).

I'm receving messages now because I misquoted the post.
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+1
There are good people among liberals, anyway noone should be put in Jail because of their political beliefs.



I'm not. Not as Europe is right now.
I'm for the CONCEPT of Europe and the possibility of a strong potential super nation that could emerge because of the common history of the people. Something that could evolve further into an even bigger common international nation that we would call humanity.

But sadly, we went a little bit too fast with our current Europe, so we might need to rethink that system a bit (for now). We are not ready as a specie for that type of supersystem just yet, we are bound to make too many mistakes and creates a really bad system.

So i'm on the same line as LFI right now. Even if I hope that someday we can create something better together in Europe.

I'm pretty sure most of LFI are against a supernation.

 

[Uncle Van]

Because it is.


Like we thought. Communist. Except that communist actually kill alphabet and people from other race.


You already killed freedom on the paragraph above.





It looks interesting but I really doubt it would practically work. People has their own lives to take care instead of focusing too much on politics like we do.


That's exactly why it wouldn't work this society it would collapse because I see the majority naive of people voting for shit like that which looks good on paper without understanding a shit about economics and how this would ruin the country.

Minimal wage only purpose is to create unemployment. It was made right after abolition of slavery to prevent blacks from taking the jobs of whites by being less paid. What raises the salary of an employer is his productivity, his skills making him a valuable asset of the company and a rare employee to get, and the demand/offert that this employee have. If we only had known teacher in USA for example this teacher would be the richest person in the world because everyone would be in need of a teacher and then the person can higher the value of work a lot.

And what you even mean with refound the police? The people who are wiling to work as police is pretty much there already. Such a thing would just higher the chance of criminals getting inside it earlier and climbing the positions to the top easier.


Like you denied and I said earlier. You are a communist.

And yet pretty much many if not all State structures around the world can't be saved by a single hero. But enough of them to composite the powers of executive, legislative and of course judgment(not sure if this is the right word) which is the most difficult(at least in my country).

That was C4N you're replying to, not Night.

I'm receving messages now because I misquoted the post.

He already had a lingering "QUOTE" in that post which messed you up.

 

[Herrera95]

That was C4N you're replying to, not Night.

Dafuq only know I understand who C4N is.

I'm receving messages now because I misquoted the post.
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I'm pretty sure most of LFI are against a supernation.

Fuck you set me up I didn't wanted to reply to him

 

[Logiko]

Fuck you set me up I didn't wanted to reply to him

Because it is.

No its not. Changing capitalism doesn't mean that we aim toward communism. It can be something else.

Except that communist actually kill alphabet and people from other race.

Communism never existed and no communism wants to kill people based on their identities or color. You are projecting.

You already killed freedom on the paragraph above.

Preveventing people from saying things that hurt others is not killing freedom of speech.

Which is a real proposal, there would be actually 20 to 25 % of people choosed at random in such assembly. This would help the diverty of opinions.

It looks interesting but I really doubt it would practically work. People has their own lives to take care instead of focusing too much on politics like we do.

This applies to France as I was saying which is a coutnry where people actually care about the politic of their country to a strong degree. In France it would work very well. There would need to be a way to adapt it to other country but in theory it would work for anyone. If you give the choice to people to create a good system, they will take it.

That's exactly why it wouldn't work this society it would collapse because I see the majority naive of people voting for shit like that which looks good on paper without understanding a shit about economics and how this would ruin the country.

Oh but it would work. And in fact, it was financially demonstrated during the compaign of the party that proposed those mesure.

And what you can see here is really not something extreme. Its actually pretty reasonnable and completely feasible. At least for France. other countries would need some adaptations but this would be basically the same.

We have labor regulations in France and the country did not fall because of that. Paying people and treating people well is a choice.

Minimal wage only purpose is to create unemployment.

Which is completely false. Anyone with a minimum wage would make you understand that you can't live with it and anyone would need more. You are falling for capitalist traps.

It was made right after abolition of slavery to prevent blacks from taking the jobs of whites by being less paid

No lol

What raises the salary of an employer is his productivity

In apocalyptic society yes. Not in a progressive world.

his skills making him a valuable asset of the company and a rare employee to get

BS. ALL employees are assets as long as you give them enough credit, considerations and enough pay. Without employee, there is no compagny. Remember that.

If we only had known teacher in USA for example this teacher would be the richest person in the world

Not even close. There are a lot of people who are skilled but are stomped by society. Put that in your head once and for all :

Meritocracy doesn't exist in our world.

And what you even mean with refound the police?

It means:
- Reshape the police structurally
- Make big changes in the education of the police
- Stop putting them into stressfull situations when its not needed
- Stop telling showing them that they are above the law
- Get rid of the bad apples

Like you denied and I said earlier. You are a communist.

Still nop. if I was, I would be much more radical.

And yet pretty much many if not all State structures around the world can't be saved by a single hero.

That's the point, Single heroes don't exist. Merit is a lie.

But enough of them to composite the powers of executive, legislative and of course judgment

Those must not in ANY case be considered heroes but citizen. Its the first step in creating a power system that can't be corrupted or corrupt itself.

I'm pretty sure most of LFI are against a supernation.

I'm looking at things a bit farther than LFI, I'm wondering about the situation after they are able to restructure the country correctly. After many decades, maybe a century.. What happens then ? Frontiere will most likely become relics of the past and if that's the case, Europe or somethings else will become a supernation.

I didn't wanted to reply to him

 

[Zemmi]

As someone with employees, I can promise you they aren't all assets. They cost more money with their carelessness than they provide productivity.
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This man who rents a shop from us. He closed his business last week because his employees racked up so many driving infractions he can't get big truck insurance.

 

[Logiko]

I can promise you they aren't all assets

By nature they are. If they weren't there, your compagny would not function as well. Let's be very clear about that.

 

[Zemmi]

By nature they are. If they weren't there, your compagny would not function as well. Let's be very clear about that.

There are good employees, but there is an equal amount of bad employees. So we compete with other companies to get the good ones and let the bad ones go.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

How can you be pro-european and support LFI? They are sovereignists and for some nationalists.

What here was edited by a moderator?

 

[Ravagerblade]

There are good employees, but there is an equal amount of bad employees. So we compete with other companies to get the good ones and let the bad ones go.

This dude seriously has some Rose-tinted glasses on, certainly not a realist.

 

[Logiko]

but there is an equal amount of bad employees.

A bad employee is an employee that hurt the compagny more than it helps it. In a capitalist society, its simply not viable to keep them. So either you want your compagny to fail, or there are no bad employee in your compagny. Just less productive than others.

But even then, noone is inherently a bad employee. You actually don't know about people's life and the reasons why sometimes they put more effort in their own life rather than their work. Sometimes there are very good reason for it.

Again. Maybe you should look again at the way you see you employee. Maybe, say something nice to someone you think is bad.. that might make their day just a little bit better and give them the incentive to be even more productive for you.

A compliment cost you nothing. But it can change the day of someone that don't see any future.

What here was edited by a moderator?

They just requoted correctly the message.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Maybe, say something nice to someone you think is bad.. that might make their day just a little bit better and give them the incentive to be even more productive for you.

That's actually racist and communism.

 

[Zemmi]

A bad employee is an employee that hurt the compagny more than it helps it. In a capitalist society, its simply not viable to keep them. So either you want your compagny to fail, or there are no bad employee in your compagny. Just less productive than others.

But even then, noone is inherently a bad employee. You actually don't know about people's life and the reasons why sometimes they put more effort in their own life rather than their work. Sometimes there are very good reason for it.

Again. Maybe you should look again at the way you see you employee. Maybe, say something nice to someone you think is bad.. that might make their day just a little bit better and give them the incentive to be even more productive for you.

A compliment cost you nothing. But it can change the day of someone that don't see any future.



They just requoted correctly the message.

Here is a prime example of someone who knows nothing they talk about. There is a reason our good employees stay. Some of them have worked for my father for over thirty years. This line of thinking of yours is delusional when you are not involved in the system.

Companies want the best productivity, so they get more value. That is why those of value get paid more, promotions and are kept around longer, while the others stay in a turnover cycle without any forward projection in their careers.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Here is a prime example of someone who knows nothing they talk about. There is a reason our good employees stay. Some of them have worked for my father for over thirty years. This line of thinking of yours is delusional when you are not involved in the system.

Companies want the best productivity, so they get more value. That is why those of value get paid more, promotions and are kept around longer, while the others stay in a turnover cycle without any forward projection in their careers.

You are talking to the guy to decries Merit.

 

[Zemmi]

You are talking to the guy to decries Merit.

A generation of everyone gets trophies because they decided to play.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

A generation of everyone gets trophies because they decided to play.

Trophies are unnecessary altogether

 

[Ravagerblade]

A generation of everyone gets trophies because they decided to play.

I thought it was bullshit when I was younger and I still find it bullshit now.

 

[Zemmi]

Trophies are unnecessary altogether

I generally like reward systems.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Trophies are unnecessary altogether

I certainly hope you don't own anything and don't take pride into anything you've achieved and accomplished then Otherwise you are a massive fucking hypocrite.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I generally like reward systems.

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I certainly hope you don't own anything and don't take pride into anything you've achieved and accomplished then Otherwise you are a massive fucking hypocrite.

Pride is a negative habit

 

[Ravagerblade]

People only use trophies to show off [automerge]1710637823[/automerge] Pride is a negative habit

Not necessarily.