Bougya The Great Debate: ACoC or not?

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

I don't agree with the premise, so..

You don't have to lol

Even if Lucci was outplayed, he saw Zoro coming at him.. So he was able to brace himself for the attack, creating a Haki clash.. I'm not saying Lucci blocked it or anything, it's just explaining the Haki clash..

Even if someone saw something coming it does not mean they could react to it. Haki clash means two haki coming from different direction. There is only one haki here and it was around where lucci got cut. So no there is no clash here only Zoro's haki.

 

[Herrera95]

Irrelevant with or without sword the no touch effect is the same with one person using AdCoC..
As shown with Big Mom and Luffy.. Swordsmen would have identical portrayal..

Not irrelevant at all. The first no touch Hyogoro shows Luffy it is a no touching similar to the ACoC we saw later and he explains that is the same technique Zoro used. That means Zoro can use the no touch without swords. Haki acts differently because a weapon is involved.

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I don't agree with the premise, so..


Even if Lucci was outplayed, he saw Zoro coming at him.. So he was able to brace himself for the attack, creating a Haki clash.. I'm not saying Lucci blocked it or anything, it's just explaining the Haki clash..

Such a headcannon yet wants to claim that there is no CoC coating because you don't see the visual of it.

 

[Rootbeer]

You don't have to lol


Even if someone saw something coming it does not mean they could react to it. Haki clash means two haki coming from different direction. There is only one haki here and it was around where lucci got cut. So no there is no clash here only Zoro's haki.

That's exactly what happened with Luffy and Kaido's haki clash there..

Not irrelevant at all. The first no touch Hyogoro shows Luffy it is a no touching similar to the ACoC we saw later and he explains that is the same technique Zoro used. That means Zoro can use the no touch without swords. Haki acts differently because a weapon is involved.

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Such a headcannon yet wants to claim that there is no CoC coating because you don't see the visual of it.

It's irrelevant because Zoro can't use CoA Barrier either, there's no CoA Barrier or CoC Coating for WSS path..
And there's still a visual difference between CoA Barrier and CoC Coating no touch..

 

[Herrera95]

That's exactly what happened with Luffy and Kaido's haki clash there..

It's irrelevant because Zoro can't use CoA Barrier either, there's no CoA Barrier or CoC Coating for WSS path..
And there's still a visual difference between CoA Barrier and CoC Coating no touch..

Luffy also saw Kaido coming act 1 and couldn't do shit

Zoro uses CoA Barrier is the same concept of what he learned at Alabasta. Stop denying manga. And he also showed CoC coating. You used to claim no CoC at WSS path and got already proved wrong. If you know CoC and CoA you just have to use it to coat that's what Luffy did is nothing complicated he just never thought about it before.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

That's exactly what happened with Luffy and Kaido's haki clash there..

hahahaha you think Luffy tried to clash against the attack here? Nope he wanted to dodge but got hit anyway. Lucci wasn't fast enough to dodge Zoro so he got hit. The haki in those panels are Kaido's only

 

[Rootbeer]

Luffy also saw Kaido coming act 1 and couldn't do shit

Zoro uses CoA Barrier is the same concept of what he learned at Alabasta. Stop denying manga. And he also showed CoC coating. You used to claim no CoC at WSS path and got already proved wrong. If you know CoC and CoA you just have to use it to coat that's what Luffy did is nothing complicated he just never thought about it before.

Transfering CoA into your blade is not CoA Barrier.. I was never proven wrong, to prove me wrong you would need to give a logical explanation as to why KoH couldn't be mostly CoA with base CoC for activation..

hahahaha you think Luffy tried to clash against the attack here? Nope he wanted to dodge but got hit anyway. Lucci wasn't fast enough to dodge Zoro so he got hit. The haki in those panels are Kaido's only

The point, is Luffy got hit and it created a Haki clash.. Same as Zoro and Law here..
It's not Kaido only, it's a haki clash for a reason!..

 

[Herrera95]

Transfering CoA into your blade is not CoA Barrier.. I was never proven wrong, to prove me wrong you would need to give a logical explanation as to why KoH couldn't be mostly CoA with base CoC for activation..

Because first of all basic CoC never had a representation in attacks and does not make it stronger because otherwise CoC coating would be pointless.

And again the concept of CoA Barrier is the same of what Zoro learned at Alabasta. Stop denying manga facts.

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The point, is Luffy got hit and it created a Haki clash.. Same as Zoro and Law here..
It's not Kaido only, it's a haki clash for a reason!..

Dude Zoro literally said he would give his all at that Asura. He had no haki left when that happened.

 

[Rootbeer]

Because first of all basic CoC never had a representation in attacks and does not make it stronger because otherwise CoC coating would be pointless.

And again the concept of CoA Barrier is the same of what Zoro learned at Alabasta. Stop denying manga facts.

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Dude Zoro literally said he would give his all at that Asura. He had no haki left when that happened.

Basic CoC make people faint, it overpowers people and thing like Enma who has a soul, personality..

Dude you even confuse flowing Basic CoA in objects with CoA Barrier.. No wonder you're having difficulties with CoC Coating..

What's Ashura got to do with this?.. Enma is a higher Blade Grade, the wielder need CoC to tame it..

 

[Herrera95]

Basic CoC make people faint, it overpowers people and thing like Enma who has a soul, personality..

CoC coating too.

Dude you even confuse flowing Basic CoA in objects with CoA Barrier.. No wonder you're having difficulties with CoC Coating..

Is the same concept.

What's Ashura got to do with this?.. Enma is a higher Blade Grade, the wielder need CoC to tame it..

As I said he gave his all during Ashura meaning he had nothing left. No stamina or haki when Kaido hit him with Thunder Bagua. So no haki clash.

And nothing says it needs CoC to tame Enma. Zoro explanation was to stop holding back and to give his all.

 

[Rootbeer]

Is the same concept.

You're mixing up stuff.. Body CoA and Sword CoA are in solid form, CoA Barrier is accumulating in Gas(air), way more concentrated energy in near empty space..

As I said he gave his all during Ashura meaning he had nothing left. No stamina or haki when Kaido hit him with Thunder Bagua. So no haki clash.

And nothing says it needs CoC to tame Enma. Zoro explanation was to stop holding back and to give his all.

As long as he can move he still have '' some '' Haki left in him.. In Dressrosa, Luffy couldn't move when he completely depleted his Haki..

 

[Herrera95]

You're mixing up stuff.. Body CoA and Sword CoA are in solid form, CoA Barrier is accumulating in Gas(air), way more concentrated energy in near empty space..

Stop making things up. The explanation is the same for both.

As long as he can move he still have '' some '' Haki left in him.. In Dressrosa, Luffy couldn't move when he completely depleted his Haki..

No. It doesn't work like that. Whole Cake Island he moves after G4 when he is alone at Mirror World he even runs from Big Mom. Then Oda was asked I believe in a SBS why he suddenly could move and he said he could do the same at Dressrosa but he didn't had to because others were helping him.

And anyway. Zoro didn't moved anymore after Asura.

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

The point, is Luffy got hit and it created a Haki clash.. Same as Zoro and Law here..
It's not Kaido only, it's a haki clash for a reason!..

Its Kaido's Haki that impacted on both Zoro's and Law's bodies they didn't use haki to cause a "clash" its an impact of an attack that Kaido used on their bodies.

Just look at them and look at Lucci here

There is no way they used haki here their poses suggest "overwhelmed" by an attack. And the haki belongs to the attacker only which caused what? an impact.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Lol people still arguing with rootbeer

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

Lol people still arguing with rootbeer

i summoned him here the same way the gorosei were summoned. The forum got boring without him making bullshit up and i didn't engage for a while. So here we are new material for Zoro to "bullshit" about.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

i summoned him here the same way the gorosei were summoned. The forum got boring without him making bullshit up and i didn't engage for a while. So here we are new material for Zoro to "bullshit" about.

You summoned him, and now your trying to beat him… yonko material right their

 

[Herrera95]

i summoned him here the same way the gorosei were summoned. The forum got boring without him making bullshit up and i didn't engage for a while. So here we are new material for Zoro to "bullshit" about.

I will summon Fingarland to give your sentence.

 

[Rootbeer]

Its Kaido's Haki that impacted on both Zoro's and Law's bodies they didn't use haki to cause a "clash" its an impact of an attack that Kaido used on their bodies.

Just look at them and look at Lucci here

There is no way they used haki here their poses suggest "overwhelmed" by an attack. And the haki belongs to the attacker only which caused what? an impact.

Then you're missing my point. I'm telling you a Haki clash can happen between haki user while one is simply static and being wounded..

 

[Santoryu D Bazooka]

You summoned him, and now your trying to beat him… yonko material right their

there is no beating this guy just read his nonsense and have a laugh

I will summon Fingarland to give your sentence.

And i will let Lucci "clash" with him using his body

Then you're missing my point. I'm telling you a Haki clash can happen between haki user while one is simply static and being wounded..

Like Jimbei vs Whos Who sure. because Jimbei was static and actually clashed haki and won that clash.

Here Lucci was already attacking Zoro dodged him and straight up cut him so there is no clash here only impact of an attack.

try again

 

[Rootbeer]

Stop making things up. The explanation is the same for both.


No. It doesn't work like that. Whole Cake Island he moves after G4 when he is alone at Mirror World he even runs from Big Mom. Then Oda was asked I believe in a SBS why he suddenly could move and he said he could do the same at Dressrosa but he didn't had to because others were helping him.

And anyway. Zoro didn't moved anymore after Asura.

Making things up is magically believing that CoA Barrier and Coating your Sword with CoA is anything alike..

Whatever.. I think Zoro could still move and that was a Haki clash from Kaido hit and Zoro, Law enduring the attack

ke Jimbei vs Whos Who sure. because Jimbei was static and actually clashed haki and won that clash.

Here Lucci was already attacking Zoro dodged him and straight up cut him so there is no clash here only impact of an attack.

try again

I'm referring to clash where Lightning Haki is involved..
Again you don't get my point, it's the same as Luffy getting hurt from Kaido cause he couldn't fully dodge his thunder Bagua on chapter 1001..

 

[mrtsrdr]

this thread kinda asking us is zoro stronger than luffy ?
regardless of zoro using coc or coa , luffy is far from stronger than zoro . please , leave that kind of trash haki things.

Also , why are u putting luffy, in the story , we have acoc swordsmen and his attack on Kaido (Oden). people shit talking about flow or something

Yeah when we look that , apparently zoro used acoc attack. if you looked another panel , you can say not acoc attack. however , this is only swordsman panel that using haki

can anyone see haki flow on sword in here , too ?

two advanced coc user , two different attack , impact on opponent not in the sword itself.

but zoro fans always taking their character as a exception :) you are not in jjk :) only exception character is luffy in that story :)