Controversial General Political Discussion
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The point is that making characters make choices because of specific values means that you are giving or choosing - as a writer - a point of view on the best way to act in society in a certain situation. Which is in other words, the action of putting against eachothers differents values about the way to act in society and values in conflict is what creates a political conflict.
No matter if the story is for kids, or short, or animated, or simple, or big, or epic. You will find that basic principle everywhere in storytelling.
I could do the same with any story. So if you want, you can give me one simple story that we both know and that you like and that you don't feel is political and I could do the same demonstration.
Because without that basic storytelling principle, its simply impossible to create stories.
No matter if the story is for kids, or short, or animated, or simple, or big, or epic. You will find that basic principle everywhere in storytelling.
I could do the same with any story. So if you want, you can give me one simple story that we both know and that you like and that you don't feel is political and I could do the same demonstration.
Because without that basic storytelling principle, its simply impossible to create stories.
He says there are 2 sexes, and that is the case with humans.
I also think its interesting because intersex and chromosomal irregularities dont have anything to do with transgenderism. Dont know why people feel the need to bring this up at all
I agree with there being two sexes in humans
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I also think its interesting because intersex and chromosomal irregularities dont have anything to do with transgenderism. Dont know why people feel the need to bring this up at all
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you are agreeing with what he is saying and what he stands for here ?
Just to be sure
Because I don't think you understand the statement you just made here..
Just to be sure
Because I don't think you understand the statement you just made here..
It's an unhonest argument. That's the only reason I responded to it. It's a form of a gotcha question, but when broken down it doesn't stand up to reality.
As someone who writes, I think people make things political that aren't political. Most of my writing doesn't have a political theme, but anyone can turn it into it, if they widen the umbrella of diving into human themes like tribalism, to make it a political statement instead of human nature. It doesn't make the story political nor mean the author had an intent to push a political narrative.
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Well.. yeah. Why do you think I fought so much on storytelling and politics at the same time ?
"Stories are only entertainment" is for normies. Now its time to learn what stories truly are.
"Stories are only entertainment" is for normies. Now its time to learn what stories truly are.
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Yup, sure.Not really no.
Which is not what he is saying. He is saying that people that explain that women can have a penis are science deniers.
Which is: Transphobia. He is also parading with an openly anti-trans activist.
So I ask you again, do you agree with this ?
They have. Its simply impossible for you to write a story without that. So either you are not aware of it like 90% of the writer on this planet or you are trying to deceive me.
If you are able to make a story without adressing and putting specific values about the way to act in the world into conflict, I'm very curious to see what the result is. Because it would be a world premiere.
There is no such thing as human nature.
Yup, sure.Not really no.
Which is not what he is saying. He is saying that people that explain that women can have a penis are science deniers.
Which is: Transphobia. He is also parading with an openly anti-trans activist.
So I ask you again, do you agree with this ?
They have. Its simply impossible for you to write a story without that. So either you are not aware of it like 90% of the writer on this planet or you are trying to deceive me.
If you are able to make a story without adressing and putting specific values about the way to act in the world into conflict, I'm very curious to see what the result is. Because it would be a world premiere.
There is no such thing as human nature.
I guess what makes something woke garbage or not, is the creator's intent which is revealed in the story.
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Unsure how I feel about this. I think it shows a major failure in the education system though.
The United States says most adults read at a 7th & 8th grade level and the UK recommends not to use vocabulary or sentence structure above the 4th/5th grade level.
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Yes.. I can. Because ALL author are politically motivated, even when they are not conscious of it.
As I explained with this Drawing:
Politics are simply what we call the conflict between different value concerning the way society (or the state) should work. In other words, politics are a conflict between differents visions on the way we should act in society. Its as simple as that.
So:
- When Jack Sparrow in Pirate of the Caribbean 3 chooses to stab Davy Jones's hearth with the hand of Will to save him at the cost of his own dream for immortality, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that if necessary, we must put aside our own desire to save the people we love. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Luke in the Empire Strikes back refuses to follow his father and chooses to let himself fall into oblivion, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that no matter the cost, you shall never be tempted by fascist ideas, even when they come from the people you might have admired. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Edward in Twilight (yes you made me see the end of Twilight, good job), chooses to suck on Bella's blood and stop before killing her, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that we must find the will to do what is right and control our behavior to save the people we care about. This is an extremely strong liberal vision on the way we should act in society, but still a political vision.
ALL stories in the universe are ALL depicting in one form of another this type of conflict.
Meaning that all stories are foundamentally political. Even when the author is not conscious of it.
There is ALWAYS an intent of the authors. There is no stories without intent.
Again, ALL stories are political. Without exception. Politic is a foundamental brick of storytelling and one of the reasons why we have so much bad stories right now, is because people are ignoring that foundamental.
As I explained with this Drawing:
Politics are simply what we call the conflict between different value concerning the way society (or the state) should work. In other words, politics are a conflict between differents visions on the way we should act in society. Its as simple as that.
So:
- When Jack Sparrow in Pirate of the Caribbean 3 chooses to stab Davy Jones's hearth with the hand of Will to save him at the cost of his own dream for immortality, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that if necessary, we must put aside our own desire to save the people we love. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Luke in the Empire Strikes back refuses to follow his father and chooses to let himself fall into oblivion, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that no matter the cost, you shall never be tempted by fascist ideas, even when they come from the people you might have admired. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Edward in Twilight (yes you made me see the end of Twilight, good job), chooses to suck on Bella's blood and stop before killing her, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that we must find the will to do what is right and control our behavior to save the people we care about. This is an extremely strong liberal vision on the way we should act in society, but still a political vision.
ALL stories in the universe are ALL depicting in one form of another this type of conflict.
Meaning that all stories are foundamentally political. Even when the author is not conscious of it.
There is ALWAYS an intent of the authors. There is no stories without intent.
Again, ALL stories are political. Without exception. Politic is a foundamental brick of storytelling and one of the reasons why we have so much bad stories right now, is because people are ignoring that foundamental.
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Yes.. I can. Because ALL author are politically motivated, even when they are not conscious of it.
As I explained with this Drawing:
Politics are simply what we call the conflict between different value concerning the way society (or the state) should work. In other words, politics are a conflict between differents visions on the way we should act in society. Its as simple as that.
So:
- When Jack Sparrow in Pirate of the Caribbean 3 chooses to stab Davy Jones's hearth with the hand of Will to save him at the cost of his own dream for immortality, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that if necessary, we must put aside our own desire to save the people we love. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Luke in the Empire Strikes back refuses to follow his father and chooses to let himself fall into oblivion, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that no matter the cost, you shall never be tempted by fascist ideas, even when they come from the people you might have admired. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Edward in Twilight (yes you made me see the end of Twilight, good job), chooses to suck on Bella's blood and stop before killing her, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that if you we must find the will to do what is right and control our behavior to save the people we care about. This is an extremely strong liberal vision on the way we should act in society, but still a political vision.
ALL stories in the universe are ALL depicting in one form of another this type of conflict.
Meaning that all stories are foundamentally political. Even when the author is not conscious of it.
There is ALWAYS an intent of the authors. There is no stories without intent.
Give me any stories (that I know), and I will demonstrate to you that they are political just as I demonstrated that a simple Pokemon episode can be as well.
Again, ALL stories are political. Without exception. Politic is a foundamental brick of storytelling and one of the reasons why we have so much bad stories right now, is because people are ignoring that foundamental.
As I explained with this Drawing:
Politics are simply what we call the conflict between different value concerning the way society (or the state) should work. In other words, politics are a conflict between differents visions on the way we should act in society. Its as simple as that.
So:
- When Jack Sparrow in Pirate of the Caribbean 3 chooses to stab Davy Jones's hearth with the hand of Will to save him at the cost of his own dream for immortality, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that if necessary, we must put aside our own desire to save the people we love. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Luke in the Empire Strikes back refuses to follow his father and chooses to let himself fall into oblivion, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that no matter the cost, you shall never be tempted by fascist ideas, even when they come from the people you might have admired. This is a vision on the way we should act in society, a political vision.
- When Edward in Twilight (yes you made me see the end of Twilight, good job), chooses to suck on Bella's blood and stop before killing her, the writer is making a political choice. They are explaining that if you we must find the will to do what is right and control our behavior to save the people we care about. This is an extremely strong liberal vision on the way we should act in society, but still a political vision.
ALL stories in the universe are ALL depicting in one form of another this type of conflict.
Meaning that all stories are foundamentally political. Even when the author is not conscious of it.
There is ALWAYS an intent of the authors. There is no stories without intent.
Give me any stories (that I know), and I will demonstrate to you that they are political just as I demonstrated that a simple Pokemon episode can be as well.
Again, ALL stories are political. Without exception. Politic is a foundamental brick of storytelling and one of the reasons why we have so much bad stories right now, is because people are ignoring that foundamental.
Self-sacrifice is a theme I love. It isn't a political message. I have a character who will die for his group, but will also kill innocent people if it saves just a single member of his group. It's a theme of being human and what matters to who that person is, which I get you try to make political, but you will have to define how such a thing is political when say in my universe there are no gov't consequences to his actions, there are no policies forbidding it. It's him being human and in short, doing what he wants.
You want all values to be political, when people can have their values without pushing it on others or even wanting political or policy changes to be affected by their own beliefs.
Depends tbh. Im willing to wager most trans individuals dont think they changed sex.
There is still a distinction between gender and sex
Since women are by definition female, they dont have a penis.
Dont know the other person involved. But if that person argues for there being 2 sexes, they are correct.
Or you are trying to push your idea of politics being pretty much everywhere
There is still a distinction between gender and sex
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Since women are by definition female, they dont have a penis.
Dont know the other person involved. But if that person argues for there being 2 sexes, they are correct.
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Or you are trying to push your idea of politics being pretty much everywhere
Values arent necessarily politics wtf
Trans women are men who are transgender
Logiko can, so all your stories are inherently political but you are too dense to notice kappa
I wonder if he thinks all song lyrics are political as well
Language evolves. Gender as a concept is now different to sex. At least in english (and my native language german). And considering how gender dysphoria is a legit condition, i dont get why that is such a problem to some peeps
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For @Zemmi @AL sama @Uncle Van and for those who don't understand why I'm talking about politic in stories:
Its of course simplified, but it works for literally ALL stories!
Trans women are women and Trans men are men you transphobic piece of work.
Its of course simplified, but it works for literally ALL stories!
Trans women are women and Trans men are men you transphobic piece of work.
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Logiko can, so all your stories are inherently political but you are too dense to notice kappa
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I wonder if he thinks all song lyrics are political as well
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Language evolves. Gender as a concept is now different to sex. At least in english (and my native language german). And considering how gender dysphoria is a legit condition, i dont get why that is such a problem to some peeps
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For @Zemmi @AL sama @Uncle Van and for those who don't understand why I'm talking about politic in stories:
Its of course simplified, but it works for literally ALL stories!
Trans women are women and Trans men are men you transphobic piece of work.
Its of course simplified, but it works for literally ALL stories!
Trans women are women and Trans men are men you transphobic piece of work.
I do realize that people are no living necessaraly there lives under a political lense and as long as those people don't try to prevent others from having political discussions or as long as they don't give any opinion on the way to live in society, I'm fine with them.. But that's not what is happening and a lot of people are giving their opinion about the way we should live in society without understanding what politics are to begin with. Starting with this forum.
It is. Its completely political. Its a vision on the way to act in the world therefore its political. Simple as that. You can deny it all you want, it will not push away the political implication of stories.
Good, and how do you depict the killing of innocent ? Tell me. Do you make it look like the character is doing something normal ? Or do you write in the way for the audience to understands that its a mistakes ? Depending on the way you portray your character killing innocent, will follow your political vision of the world. Its storytelling 101.
A character could perfectly doing something VERY BAD... but if you portray this as an error, it will give the audience the message that they shuold not follow the same path. For example, in Star Wars 3, despite being the hero, Anakin slaughtering innocent is depicted not as an act of bravery, but as an act of complete confusion and a major crime and mistake. Lucas therefore wants the spectator to feel that killing innocent leads toward the dark side.
Context is key.
I asked you a question just above to see. How do you portray the fact that your character is killing innocent ? The answer to this question will give you the political vision in which you see the path of your character.
Its not the values that are political, its the conflict of different value that creates politic.
Funny that you mention ROTS lol... that's one of the most political Star wars movie..
Actually, most trans would love to change sex.
Stick to your definition instead of trying to be transphobe for no reasons.
Just so you know, the other person think that there should be less trans in society.
Or I know what I'm talking about. Storytelling and politization are not really the fields where you would want to spar with me mate.
Nop
Indeed, Value in itself are not politic. Its the conflict of value that creates politic.
Ok. i'm reporting you for that. I'm done with your transphobia. You are pushing the limits.
No, just depoliticize. Its okay not to be aware of the political implication of stories. But when you are explained why, its questionnable to denies it.
It depends, so no.
It seems to be a problem for you to accept that trans women are women.
There is nothing inherently unique in being a woman or a man. Stop the essentialization.
It is. Its completely political. Its a vision on the way to act in the world therefore its political. Simple as that. You can deny it all you want, it will not push away the political implication of stories.
Good, and how do you depict the killing of innocent ? Tell me. Do you make it look like the character is doing something normal ? Or do you write in the way for the audience to understands that its a mistakes ? Depending on the way you portray your character killing innocent, will follow your political vision of the world. Its storytelling 101.
A character could perfectly doing something VERY BAD... but if you portray this as an error, it will give the audience the message that they shuold not follow the same path. For example, in Star Wars 3, despite being the hero, Anakin slaughtering innocent is depicted not as an act of bravery, but as an act of complete confusion and a major crime and mistake. Lucas therefore wants the spectator to feel that killing innocent leads toward the dark side.
Context is key.
I asked you a question just above to see. How do you portray the fact that your character is killing innocent ? The answer to this question will give you the political vision in which you see the path of your character.
Its not the values that are political, its the conflict of different value that creates politic.
Funny that you mention ROTS lol... that's one of the most political Star wars movie..
Actually, most trans would love to change sex.
Stick to your definition instead of trying to be transphobe for no reasons.
Just so you know, the other person think that there should be less trans in society.
Or I know what I'm talking about. Storytelling and politization are not really the fields where you would want to spar with me mate.
Nop
Indeed, Value in itself are not politic. Its the conflict of value that creates politic.
Ok. i'm reporting you for that. I'm done with your transphobia. You are pushing the limits.
No, just depoliticize. Its okay not to be aware of the political implication of stories. But when you are explained why, its questionnable to denies it.
It depends, so no.
It seems to be a problem for you to accept that trans women are women.
There is nothing inherently unique in being a woman or a man. Stop the essentialization.