Zhao’s Guardian Deity, Great General Kochou: Power Level Analysis

How Strong is Kochou?


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Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
#29
Renpa for sure had the Heavenly Kings as well. We saw Rinko there, I imagine the others were present too against Gakujou. 8k vs 50k, Gakujou got destroyed.

Idk man. Damn ranking Gakujou is hard lmao.
That is true, he probably had his Heavenly Kings attack Gakujou from the front while he attacked from the rear. I could see even a 6GG losing to that real quick depending on the scenario.

Damn y’all are right, Gakujou is tough to rank.
 
#32
General wise, I have Gakujou >~ Reiou ~ Gokei ~ Kochou.

So Kochou is Fire Dragons level but below Qin 6/Zhao 3.

Strength wise, I'd say Kochou ~ Keisha ~ Gokei would be fair.
 

TheKnightOfTheSea

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#35
The standard of Zhao GGs and Wei GGs are different.

If Zhao's Three Great Heavens are at least a tier above Fire Dragons then Zhao's non-GH GGs should be on par with Fire Dragons. Gokei being stronger than Gakujou or Kochou is debatable.
If you put Duke Hyou about Zhao 's non GH GGs then you should put Gokei as well.

Gokei would have mid diffed Duke Hyou if it wasn't for not retreating and Ouki's interference.

The other fire dragons may be a tier below the Zhao Heavens but Gokei is an exception.
 
#36
If you put Duke Hyou about Zhao 's non GH GGs then you should put Gokei as well.

Gokei would have mid diffed Duke Hyou if it wasn't for not retreating and Ouki's interference.

The other fire dragons may be a tier below the Zhao Heavens but Gokei is an exception.
I don't rate Gokei that highly unfortunately. I liked his character but that's it.

I remember that Duke slays Gokei in a duel fair and square. Duke bypass Gokei's strategical formation which is obvious since Instinctual > Strategical which was the theme of Dakan Plains.

I don't remember if Gokei actually retreated. I always thought that Gokei's ego was too high and he would charge at Duke rather than running away which got him killed.

I'll at least acknowledge that if Ouki didn't interfere, the casualties would have gotten worse due to Gokei's remnants suicidal tendency to revenge for their lord. However, I don't believe that Gokei stands above the rest of the Fire Dragons. Ouki said that Gokei is the most dangerous threat to the neighboring states of Wei as Gokei is the only active Fire Dragon, but Ouki doesn't know that Reiou or other two FDs are still alive.
 
#37
I don't rate Gokei that highly unfortunately. I liked his character but that's it.

I remember that Duke slays Gokei in a duel fair and square. Duke bypass Gokei's strategical formation which is obvious since Instinctual > Strategical which was the theme of Dakan Plains.

I don't remember if Gokei actually retreated. I always thought that Gokei's ego was too high and he would charge at Duke rather than running away which got him killed.

I'll at least acknowledge that if Ouki didn't interfere, the casualties would have gotten worse due to Gokei's remnants suicidal tendency to revenge for their lord. However, I don't believe that Gokei stands above the rest of the Fire Dragons. Ouki said that Gokei is the most dangerous threat to the neighboring states of Wei as Gokei is the only active Fire Dragon, but Ouki doesn't know that Reiou or other two FDs are still alive.
Boi, this Gokei slander will not stand. :pepeanger:
I remember when Ouki gave Fire Dragon Gokei the utmost praise he ever gave to anybody.
Duke Hyou did not beat Gokei on his own merit. He needed two solutions that he had zero control over or even awareness of (Shin+Kyoukai dealing with chariots and Ouki coincidentally coming across his battlefield while going on holiday to visit Renpa) to force Gokei off of his hill to give him the chance to close the gap between himself and Gokei. Even then, the gap was only eventually closed by additional factors outside of his control such as Heki + Shin launching an attack from the hill they could only hold due to Ouki's arrival and Gokei's stubborn personality to refuse to give ground to an invasion force.

Despite all that external assistance and outside factors, Hyou's Army was toasted to the point that it was unable to achieve the campaign objective to capture the target Wei city despite the death of Gokei. Gokei achieved his campaign objective, Hyou failed his.

Hyou, a man that was offered a position amongst the Qin Six, was hammered so badly by Gokei that he needed the author to toss actual Qin Six Ouki to save his hide. Hara had to Ouki ex Machina to let Hyou have a chance of winning.

TL;DR it took two Great Generals to defeat Fire Dragon Gokei.
 
#38
There is no basis for treating the 3GHs, 6GGs and 7FDs as separate tiers. The lesser Fire Dragons might not be on par, but the better ones certainly are, and the 6GGs have handed the 3GHs historic, all time devastating defeats and more Ls than vice-versa. Ultimately they're titles with appointments that are more political than meritorious in nature, same as "regular" Great Generals, and the needs of the state differ from state to state. In respect of shared borders and political landscapes, it always made sense to me Wei had more "special" GGs than Qin, and Qin more than Zhao.

As for Ko Chou, he could credibly have joined the ranks of any of them.

In terms of comps, his closest is Go Kei, who remains of the most dangerous minds and efficient butchers in the series to date.
 
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