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Perhaps we need to think outside the box for that.
For example we know that income plays a role in sport education and sport accessibility.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/health/sports-physical-education-children.html
We could for example try to create equity by allowing people with low income to have a better access to sport. This would in return diversify the competitive game and you might start to see a whole new bunch of profil appear. That way, you don't touch the social activity in itself but you touch the system the activity is a part of in order to improve the quality of said activity.
In the same vain, there is a lot work to do in term of inclusion and fight against ableism.
Hm ? No. I've never said that. Its you guys who invented that lie to attack me
Rethink
When I report, its usually because there was something very problematic said. For example, denying a genocide, someone being transphobic, someone insulting someone else.. things that can actually put you in front of justice where I live. Also when I report, I don't want you banned, I just want your post to be modified to be civil, that's all. In fact I've not reported in a long time, I see that mods don't really care about those specific problematic behaviors.
Aside from being intolerant, denying the murder of thousands of people or going into fascist territory, you can say all the far right sh*t you want mate.
For example we know that income plays a role in sport education and sport accessibility.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/24/health/sports-physical-education-children.html
We could for example try to create equity by allowing people with low income to have a better access to sport. This would in return diversify the competitive game and you might start to see a whole new bunch of profil appear. That way, you don't touch the social activity in itself but you touch the system the activity is a part of in order to improve the quality of said activity.
In the same vain, there is a lot work to do in term of inclusion and fight against ableism.
Hm ? No. I've never said that. Its you guys who invented that lie to attack me
Rethink
When I report, its usually because there was something very problematic said. For example, denying a genocide, someone being transphobic, someone insulting someone else.. things that can actually put you in front of justice where I live. Also when I report, I don't want you banned, I just want your post to be modified to be civil, that's all. In fact I've not reported in a long time, I see that mods don't really care about those specific problematic behaviors.
Aside from being intolerant, denying the murder of thousands of people or going into fascist territory, you can say all the far right sh*t you want mate.
"Untalented".
I would like you to take a second to think about this word you just used.
So, to begin with, what "talent" means ? > To have a "Talent" means to have a natural set of skills. This means that no matter if you work hard or not, if you don't have a "talent", you are by defaut excluded from ever being able to reach your own "glory". In other words, they are people with talent and there are those without it. Or in Nazi words, "there are those who were born superior people and the others"
You see, "Talent" is also what we attribute to people who became Billionnaires.. Talent is what we attribute to great men, great politics, great storytellers.. I myself have made the mistake to call Oda a "talented" writer multiple times.. But we need to realize that "talent" - in fact - does not exist.
> Talent is an outdated manner of seeing success. In reality success does not comes through Talent.
Oh... but you might reply to me.. "so you want to get their participation trophies to those who don't deserve it, those without merit"
And... again.. Same problem. What is "merit" ? Merit relies on the principle that work alone can lead to success. While it might be a LITTLE more true in sport than in the rest of society.. work alone does not equate success. If that was the case, all sportives would get a medal. Nah... The reality of this world is that - again - every person on this planet has different access to different forms of capitals during their development. For example, as mentionned earlier, lower income can often means lower degrees of participation in sportive activities. There are hundreds of example like this one where the capitals of a person plays a role in their chances of success. Work is only the surface. So...
> Merit is ALSO an outdated manner of seeing success.
As you can see Talent and Merit are two very bad method of judging the quelity of the success of a personn from an objective standpoint and those two notions creates inequalities in both sport and in society. Where Wealth and fields are monopolized by very few.
My answer is that we need to change that in the long term, and think about ways to create more equity in the short term.
But go ahead, if you think that I want to get a participation trophee to everyone...
Well you are completely right, that's exactly what I want. Honors should not be reserved to the few.
I would like you to take a second to think about this word you just used.
So, to begin with, what "talent" means ? > To have a "Talent" means to have a natural set of skills. This means that no matter if you work hard or not, if you don't have a "talent", you are by defaut excluded from ever being able to reach your own "glory". In other words, they are people with talent and there are those without it. Or in Nazi words, "there are those who were born superior people and the others"
You see, "Talent" is also what we attribute to people who became Billionnaires.. Talent is what we attribute to great men, great politics, great storytellers.. I myself have made the mistake to call Oda a "talented" writer multiple times.. But we need to realize that "talent" - in fact - does not exist.
> Talent is an outdated manner of seeing success. In reality success does not comes through Talent.
Oh... but you might reply to me.. "so you want to get their participation trophies to those who don't deserve it, those without merit"
And... again.. Same problem. What is "merit" ? Merit relies on the principle that work alone can lead to success. While it might be a LITTLE more true in sport than in the rest of society.. work alone does not equate success. If that was the case, all sportives would get a medal. Nah... The reality of this world is that - again - every person on this planet has different access to different forms of capitals during their development. For example, as mentionned earlier, lower income can often means lower degrees of participation in sportive activities. There are hundreds of example like this one where the capitals of a person plays a role in their chances of success. Work is only the surface. So...
> Merit is ALSO an outdated manner of seeing success.
As you can see Talent and Merit are two very bad method of judging the quelity of the success of a personn from an objective standpoint and those two notions creates inequalities in both sport and in society. Where Wealth and fields are monopolized by very few.
My answer is that we need to change that in the long term, and think about ways to create more equity in the short term.
But go ahead, if you think that I want to get a participation trophee to everyone...
Well you are completely right, that's exactly what I want. Honors should not be reserved to the few.
No, I'm sorry. It simply does not.
What exist are differences in biologies which COULD explain why some people see the world a way and other another or why some people can have facilities in some physical field and others not so much.
But talent ? No. There is no such thing in our reality.
What exist is a mixt of chaotic randomness (that we can call luck), the result of social/economic and cultural capitals and work. All of this combined CAN create success but not always. What we call "Talent" is only the result of our survivor bias, it simply does not exist.
Oda - for example who is said to be extremelly talented, even by me - is not talented, he was fed the right education, had the right synaptic connections between subjects, constructed the right idea, entered the writing/manga world at the right moment with the right subject and has been repeating that pattern ever since through luck, work and his own knowledge of his craft. Someone else with the same story could get the same result in the same context or not in another.
Social, cultural, economic and political contexts are everything. Talent is just a myth to stop us from questionning our system.
What exist are differences in biologies which COULD explain why some people see the world a way and other another or why some people can have facilities in some physical field and others not so much.
But talent ? No. There is no such thing in our reality.
What exist is a mixt of chaotic randomness (that we can call luck), the result of social/economic and cultural capitals and work. All of this combined CAN create success but not always. What we call "Talent" is only the result of our survivor bias, it simply does not exist.
Oda - for example who is said to be extremelly talented, even by me - is not talented, he was fed the right education, had the right synaptic connections between subjects, constructed the right idea, entered the writing/manga world at the right moment with the right subject and has been repeating that pattern ever since through luck, work and his own knowledge of his craft. Someone else with the same story could get the same result in the same context or not in another.
Social, cultural, economic and political contexts are everything. Talent is just a myth to stop us from questionning our system.
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Again, no. (I edited my previous post to make it clearer)
It simply does not exist.
Goodness or quality, regardless of success, does not come naturally. It comes through a mix of:
- Luck/chaotic randomness (the materialistic type, not the mystical one)
- The physical and mental well being
- The capitals (Cultural/Social/Economical)
- Work
The first thing is not dependant of our body, the second is not related to quality and the other two are learned and therefore can't be natural.
What you call "talent" is a myth of liberalism created to keep the few into power in all types of field and prevent us from quesitonning our system.
This is not a semantic game. This is reality.
It simply does not exist.
Goodness or quality, regardless of success, does not come naturally. It comes through a mix of:
- Luck/chaotic randomness (the materialistic type, not the mystical one)
- The physical and mental well being
- The capitals (Cultural/Social/Economical)
- Work
The first thing is not dependant of our body, the second is not related to quality and the other two are learned and therefore can't be natural.
What you call "talent" is a myth of liberalism created to keep the few into power in all types of field and prevent us from quesitonning our system.
This is not a semantic game. This is reality.
I'm not redefining anything, I'm showing why talent can't exist in the sence people are trying to apply in everyday life.
Also, you really have a dictionnary issue bro.
Talent, again, does NOT exist.
Granted, there are geniuses. Mozart for example, or some people with asperger syndrom. But those are not "talented", those people are simply gifted by nature with a synaptic connection that allows them to learn and create things immensly faster that the rest and deliver it with precise accuracy. People like that do exist, but in our current capitalistic world, they only appear in expertise fields once in a lifetime.
And EVEN them are not born with quality in their hands, they have to work their way through it. The only difference is that instead of having to practice for 5, 10 or 20 years, they might be able to to it in a single 1. They are just fast learner and more creative. In that sence, yes, they are geniuses.
The problem with "talent" is its usage. Talented people could mean geniuses with superhuman abilities, but that's not the case. We call "Talented" everyone that depict strong form of creativity, everyone that gets gut in sport or everyone with a lot of charisma (to name just a few example). And THIS is what the myth is.
The word "Talent" is a carrot hanging in front of people's eyes to prevent us from questionning why some people have an easier access to some form of capitals rather than others. Talent simply does not exist. There are those who are gifted with a superhuman capacity that are extremely rare cases and everyone else that struggle through the competition that is society.
We call "talented", those who manage - because of the right sociological and environmental context - to get on top, but this only invisibilize all the others who gave their all to try to succeed and "failed". Those people are not "untalented". Those people simply didn't have the same chances in life.
People like Oda are not "talented", they just had the right chances, the perfect education and made the right choice at the right time.
Also, you really have a dictionnary issue bro.
Talent, again, does NOT exist.
Granted, there are geniuses. Mozart for example, or some people with asperger syndrom. But those are not "talented", those people are simply gifted by nature with a synaptic connection that allows them to learn and create things immensly faster that the rest and deliver it with precise accuracy. People like that do exist, but in our current capitalistic world, they only appear in expertise fields once in a lifetime.
And EVEN them are not born with quality in their hands, they have to work their way through it. The only difference is that instead of having to practice for 5, 10 or 20 years, they might be able to to it in a single 1. They are just fast learner and more creative. In that sence, yes, they are geniuses.
The problem with "talent" is its usage. Talented people could mean geniuses with superhuman abilities, but that's not the case. We call "Talented" everyone that depict strong form of creativity, everyone that gets gut in sport or everyone with a lot of charisma (to name just a few example). And THIS is what the myth is.
The word "Talent" is a carrot hanging in front of people's eyes to prevent us from questionning why some people have an easier access to some form of capitals rather than others. Talent simply does not exist. There are those who are gifted with a superhuman capacity that are extremely rare cases and everyone else that struggle through the competition that is society.
We call "talented", those who manage - because of the right sociological and environmental context - to get on top, but this only invisibilize all the others who gave their all to try to succeed and "failed". Those people are not "untalented". Those people simply didn't have the same chances in life.
People like Oda are not "talented", they just had the right chances, the perfect education and made the right choice at the right time.
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Spare me the false compliment.
Is there an actual reason for you to keep throwing sh*t my way ? Because you seem to agree with every political things I say while I don't have anything to say about your political takes (At least until now, since you don't really take much risks).. And yet you keep on being hostile again and again toward me.
Did I do something to you mate ? Because if we are talking about annoying behavior, you really ARE NOT WELL PLACED to talk here buddy. If you want to compare the way you and I talk to people here, we can have fun...
So please, chill the F down with me before I start calling you a social traitor. 'Cause if there is one thing I can't stand, its opportunists who try to look good by putting others down, including those they agree with.
Is there an actual reason for you to keep throwing sh*t my way ? Because you seem to agree with every political things I say while I don't have anything to say about your political takes (At least until now, since you don't really take much risks).. And yet you keep on being hostile again and again toward me.
Did I do something to you mate ? Because if we are talking about annoying behavior, you really ARE NOT WELL PLACED to talk here buddy. If you want to compare the way you and I talk to people here, we can have fun...
So please, chill the F down with me before I start calling you a social traitor. 'Cause if there is one thing I can't stand, its opportunists who try to look good by putting others down, including those they agree with.
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You treat this forum as if it’s real life bro. For the sake of your own mental health you should stop doing that.
who cares if I find you annoying? You really shouldn’t put much stock in what people say in here about you. I don’t owe you any sort of allegiance just because we agree on certain things, so spare me with the “traitor” threats.
And just so you know, I am honest to a fault, at least when I post in here, and I am being serious when I say I find you extremely annoying. You don’t talk WITH users frenchie, you talk AT them, which explains why even some of the nicest users like Reloded can’t stand you.
you’re in your 30s man. Stop treating this forum as a replacement for real life, it really isn’t.
who cares if I find you annoying? You really shouldn’t put much stock in what people say in here about you. I don’t owe you any sort of allegiance just because we agree on certain things, so spare me with the “traitor” threats.
And just so you know, I am honest to a fault, at least when I post in here, and I am being serious when I say I find you extremely annoying. You don’t talk WITH users frenchie, you talk AT them, which explains why even some of the nicest users like Reloded can’t stand you.
you’re in your 30s man. Stop treating this forum as a replacement for real life, it really isn’t.
