Powers & Abilities Maybe this is a hot take but Zoro has better CoO than Sanji. If anyone can post Sanji CoO feats that are better than Zoros I’ll concede.

Does Zoro have better CoO than Sanji?

  • Yes

    Votes: 49 45.8%
  • No

    Votes: 58 54.2%

  • Total voters
    107
#62
And how did Zoro know that? He’d left the floor ages ago, same as Sanji.

You can literally read the chapters and see that Sanji doesn’t sense anything.

Zoro orders him to go to the performance floor, Sanji heads there and he arrives just in the nick of time to stop Queen attacking Chopper. He doesn’t sense Chopper in mortal peril and run half way across an island to find him, he‘s already there.

Multiple chapters is totally irrelevant, because Zoro and Sanji do nothing in between other than head to the performance floor.

It’s drama, not CoO. In Alabasta Zoro appeared out of nowhere at the very last second to stop Mr 1’s attack from hitting Nami, that isn’t CoO either.

A few chapters earlier we see that Sanji can’t sense where the Nine Scabbards, who are in danger are, and he has to interrogate a goon to find out.

Sanji left the floor before King or Queen was there. And Zoro left the floor while king and Queen were there.

Sanji literally did sense it as he was making his way down with Kawamatsu and Izo until choppers life was in danger then he separated and jumped through the wall for a shortcut. You think that was a coincidence?

And Zoro was following Mr. 1 in Alabasta, Sanji wasn’t even on the screen. Calling this “drama” when it’s the same thing we saw Sanji do about 20 chapters ago is just cope.

And the scabbards weren’t in danger at this point? They were already healing.
 

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#67
Sanji left the floor before King or Queen was there. And Zoro left the floor while king and Queen were there.
When Sanji left the perfomance floor King and Queen are in it looking down on everyone. King had just smashed Sanji through a pillar.

Sanji literally did sense it as he was making his way down with Kawamatsu and Izo until choppers life was in danger then he separated and jumped through the wall for a shortcut. You think that was a coincidence?
I think even if it is a CoO feat (the perfomance floor is absolutely covered with windows and balconies looking down on it) it’s not at all impressive.

And Zoro was following Mr. 1 in Alabasta, Sanji wasn’t even on the screen. Calling this “drama” when it’s the same thing we saw Sanji do about 20 chapters ago is just cope.
Zoro had gotten lost because a moron and ran in the opposite direction as Mr 1. It’s also no different from Sanji already going to the perfomance floor anyway.

It’s just cope to pretend it’s a great CoO feat and not just a moment of drama.

All it is is
-Zoro tells Sanji to go to the floor
-Sanji heads to floor
-as Sanji approaches Chopper is in danger so he jumps in to save him

And the scabbards weren’t in danger at this point? They were already healing.
Sanji was literally heading trying to find them because there was an announcement that the Beast Pirates were to head to them and kill them off, Jack was on his way to do so and Kanjuro actually found them and killed Ashura.

But sure, they weren’t in danger.
 
#68
Lets forget the comparisons.
EoS zoro beats a guy who's known as worlds strongest swordsman with the epithet CLAIRVOYANT.

So zoro's CoO will be above someone's who is called CLAIRVOYANT.

What deity does that make sanji then in your eyes? Jesus? Fortuna?

:eeke:
 
#69
Base Luffy pre future sight was stressing out Katakuri by dodging. Kills the entire argument really.
not really
Get out of here, here's my answer to you:

If Katakuri was not a future sight user, the difficulty to dodge that jelly bean would have remained the same; it's a feat made of smoke.
The way sanji dodged the jelly bean is portrayed the same way luffy dodged flampes needle including the syntax and portrayal and pudding just collapsed in front of him in tears which would distract sanji(sanji also wouldn’t expect an attack from katakuri )and he would have been focused on the idea that pudding was going to shoot him he wasnt expecting it from katakuri or the priest katakuri shot jellybean faster then priest could drawhis gun when he saw into the future where sanji dodged the priest ( mihawk being called the clairvoyant doesnt make zoro's coo better then sanji's the attempts to put zoro way above sanji is annoying) shiryuu zoro's opponent has invisibility so zoro will likely be forced to bloom his coo ( sanji's specialty) against shiryu among other area's of growth ( further mastery of his haki/swordsmanship to get to yonko level
so yes sanji has adv coc while zoro doesn’t have it yet


Lets forget the comparisons.
EoS zoro beats a guy who's known as worlds strongest swordsman with the epithet CLAIRVOYANT.

So zoro's CoO will be above someone's who is called CLAIRVOYANT.
that's eos level and how does zoro beating mihawk who was called the clairvoyant somehow mean his coo will be better then sanji's
 
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#71
Yes, yes it does.

I know you're not interested in a honest exchange and this is all agenda but I'll break it down anyway.

- What exactly does it mean to attack with Future Sight?
Using future sight, Katakuri he can predict Sanji's actions and where his head will be. A Future Sight user can adjust his attack to hit the target no matter how he tries to dodge, since he knows his intentions and everything. As long as his speed, reaction speed, and stamina can keep up.

- This is true for melee attacks, but what about ranged attacks, like throwing a jelly bean?
Katakuri predicts where Sanji's head will be 5 seconds from now, so he throws a jelly bean there. Once the jelly bean leaves his fingers, the attack is out of his control and Katakuri can no longer adapt the attack to Sanji's position.

- What is CoO?
Every user of CoO can predict their opponents moves and aim. Every user sees somewhat into the future, the only difference with FS is that they see little into it, and some of them are only capable of reading intentions of seeing auras.
However, we had:
  • Satori on Skypiea, using CoO, knew Luffy was about to stretch his body before he knew about his ability and commented on it.
  • Enel, who didn't have FS, could dodge anything that came from Luffy as long as the attack wasn't random.
  • Rayleigh showcased basic CoO as a tool to predict the opponents moves.
  • Luffy, right after learning basic CoO, showcased it by effortlessly dodging the Pacifistas' lasers with minium movement.
  • etc, etc, etc
- So what happens if the victim of a ranged FS attack, like Sanji in this case, has basic CoO?
Once the jellybean has left Katakuri's hand, the attack is set, Katakuri's FS stops mattering. On the other hand, the victim, Sanji in this case, can still use CoO to predict the attack just like Luffy with the Pacifistas' lasers. Knowning where the attack will land, Sanji moves his head lightly out of the way... and dodges. Katakuri can't do anything about it.


Basic CoO.
That's dishonest as fuck and you know it.

Why did Kat have to intervene in the first place? Ignoring context in favor of your agenda is disingenuous to the conversation
 
#72
That's dishonest as fuck and you know it.

Why did Kat have to intervene in the first place? Ignoring context in favor of your agenda is disingenuous to the conversation
Get out of here, here's my answer to you:
I know you're not interested in a honest exchange and this is all agenda but I'll break it down anyway.
You didn't even read what I wrote, isn't that so? What context am I ignoring when all I did is literally provide context?

You're the one ignoring context to claim "If you dodge an attack with FS, then your CoO is top tier", which isn't the case, as I explained. What I said is common sense and it applies to everyone: be it Sanji, Zoro or Mihawk.

If Katakuri was not a future sight user, the difficulty to dodge that jelly bean would have remained the same; it's a feat made of smoke.
 
#73
Dodging the Jelly beans from invincible Kata


He literally changed future and made alternate reality real
wtf are you talking about . He dodged something that was thrown at him . What type of nonsense did you just say
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I recall Luffy saying himself that he's not quite on the level of Sanji's Color of Observation during Wano.

Am I the only one who remembers that or am I not remembering that right?

I'll go look through the chapters to see where he said it. It's a real pain to do that, though lol
Luffy thought Sanji sensed a powerful enemy Sanji in reality sensed a woman . It was a gag
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Gotta from capones crew also blocked kata jelly bean !! He has good coo to huh ?? Sanji fans desperate like usual
 
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#75
Damn, can’t believe Zoro doesn’t have a hint of haki…
How would he even sense the haki when he's out of his sense already?
He nearly died in that battle and mink medicine acting up.
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So clairvoyant that cannot kill MF lLuffy..
Nor WISTA!
So we have another person like Ndule who thought Doffy > Mihawk
And now this guy comes up with Pre time skip Luffy > Mihawk
 
#77
nah,CoO is sanji's thing, Zoro may end up with better CoO in the future though since he may unlock fs against Shiryu so if sanji keeps getting science power ups and not haki ones it may happen, depends how oda chooses to go from here
Coo is Sanjis thing how? What impressive coo gets does he have ?
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nah,CoO is sanji's thing, Zoro may end up with better CoO in the future though since he may unlock fs against Shiryu so if sanji keeps getting science power ups and not haki ones it may happen, depends how oda chooses to go from here
When discussing other strawhats you’d say Coc is Luffys thing because he’s at the level where he can split the sky and his coa is good because he has internal destruction. His coo is good because he has future sight . Zoro cos is good because he has ryou since Alabasta and can cut kaido his Coc is good because he has the advanced form . Sanji coo is good because what ?
 
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#80
Am I the only one that feels like Zoro has better CoO than Sanji? This isn’t trolling or baiting I said it in a thread and the Sanji squad came after me. Zoro has multiple good CoO showings and Sanji doesn’t. His CoO feats are all gag related and situational therefore, useless.

Zoro was sleep and woke up to stop Kaku.
Saved Bonney and pinpointed her with CoO. Do you believe Zoro has better CoO than Sanji?
nah this facts
 
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