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Keep making your assumptions, I really don’t care. I have a family member that has a back condition that they don’t need a wheelchair for. They have a medically diagnosed disability that is legitimate and recognized by the government and they draw full disability for it. I have another family member that also deals with psychosis and social anxiety and they work as hard as they can every day to live a quality life. Their condition is also fully recognized and they draw disability for it. I never delegitimized anyone’s condition and I’m not disability power scaling by saying they’re not all equal. Logiko is simply out of touch with reality.
Because you want your disability to be seen the same as someone who doesn't have the use of their entire body, its simply not comparable especially in your case. The reason why I say you're out of touch with reality is because you're overly idealistic. You'd probably get upset with someone for saying cisgender people and transgender people aren't the same again, because you're overly idealistic. Reality is very different.
No
I just want two things:
- For society to stop being ableist and say that invisible disabilities are not real
- For people like you to stop unsolicitely explain to people like me that other disabilities are worse when we try to explain how we struggle.
In short, I want the end of ableism. Nothing really complicated.
Indeed, that's why I made NO F*cking comparisons. The one who started comparing my situation with others is you mate.
Are you seriously saying to the most materialistic guy on this server that he is "overly idealistic" ?
Do you know what idealism means or is ?
Little lesson that you might have missed:
No. No one is the same
Again, I think you don't know what Idealism is : check the quote above and the leftist library and come back to explain me that I see the world in an idealistic way again.
I just want two things:
- For society to stop being ableist and say that invisible disabilities are not real
- For people like you to stop unsolicitely explain to people like me that other disabilities are worse when we try to explain how we struggle.
In short, I want the end of ableism. Nothing really complicated.
Indeed, that's why I made NO F*cking comparisons. The one who started comparing my situation with others is you mate.
Are you seriously saying to the most materialistic guy on this server that he is "overly idealistic" ?
Do you know what idealism means or is ?
Little lesson that you might have missed:
No. No one is the same
Again, I think you don't know what Idealism is : check the quote above and the leftist library and come back to explain me that I see the world in an idealistic way again.
Mate, you keep on digging your own ignorance.
Can't you see that I'm showing you the fact that you are literally trying to delegitimize the very scientific process itself when your first reflexe when presented evidences is to say that scientific papers might not be real science or to say that entire scientific field are pseudo science ??
Can't you see that I'm showing you the fact that you are literally trying to delegitimize the very scientific process itself when your first reflexe when presented evidences is to say that scientific papers might not be real science or to say that entire scientific field are pseudo science ??
No
I just want two things:
- For society to stop being ableist and say that invisible disabilities are not real
- For people like you to stop unsolicitely explain to people like me that other disabilities are worse when we try to explain how we struggle.
In short, I want the end of ableism. Nothing really complicated.
Indeed, that's why I made NO F*cking comparisons. The one who started comparing my situation with others is you mate.
Are you seriously saying to the most materialistic guy on this server that he is "overly idealistic" ?
Do you know what idealism means or is ?
Little lesson that you might have missed:
No. No one is the same
Again, I think you don't know what Idealism is : check the quote above and the leftist library and come back to explain me that I see the world in an idealistic way again.
I just want two things:
- For society to stop being ableist and say that invisible disabilities are not real
- For people like you to stop unsolicitely explain to people like me that other disabilities are worse when we try to explain how we struggle.
In short, I want the end of ableism. Nothing really complicated.
Indeed, that's why I made NO F*cking comparisons. The one who started comparing my situation with others is you mate.
Are you seriously saying to the most materialistic guy on this server that he is "overly idealistic" ?
Do you know what idealism means or is ?
Little lesson that you might have missed:
No. No one is the same
Again, I think you don't know what Idealism is : check the quote above and the leftist library and come back to explain me that I see the world in an idealistic way again.
You're idealistic because you want the world to run in a way that conforms to your ideals when in reality, it doesn't. You circle back to how things don't align with leftist ideologies and how much better off the world would be if everything did align with them on every issue you debate.
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Mate, you keep on digging your own ignorance.
Can't you see that I'm showing you the fact that you are literally trying to delegitimize the very scientific process itself when your first reflexe when presented evidences is to say that scientific papers might not be real science or to say that entire scientific field are pseudo science ??
Can't you see that I'm showing you the fact that you are literally trying to delegitimize the very scientific process itself when your first reflexe when presented evidences is to say that scientific papers might not be real science or to say that entire scientific field are pseudo science ??
It's not chances. It IS happening and a very common tactic. When prices rise due to inflation, the "smart" thing to do is gouge prices beyond that so the company are still in the green when prices fall. If the cost of a cheap coach rises to $600 from $450, the company will charge $700 for it to make extra cash, and just blame inflation for the high price. The price then drops $640, the company still making more cash than pre-inflation, and everyone says inflation has been stopped.
Rinse and repeat.
Rinse and repeat.
@Herrera95 . This is what happens when we have a discussion :
Me : *Explaining my point of view and presenting dozen of scientific papers demonstrating what I say*
You: "Don't care, won't read"
You: *Saying BS*
Me : *Explaining why what you just said is BS referencing to the papers and documentation I shared previously*
You: "You are delulu"
Me: "You are antiscientific"
You: "No, YOU are antiscientific"
Me: *Presenting evidences and research papers*
You: "What you share is only pseudoscience"
Me: "I'm waiting for your own evidences"
You: *Present nothing*
You: "you are antiscientific and you don't understand science"
Me: "lol, U funny"
Also I'm still waiting your reaction to this information:
No. Because I'm not comparing my situation with the situation or context of someone else. I'm saying what "I" would prefer because I know very well that in that situation I would actually be able to do the things I want, something that is impossible for me right now. At NO POINT have I ever said that my situation was worse than someone else. For some people, losing a limb might actually be worse that what I'm living right now, for me, its just not the case, I would actually prefer that deal.
That's why I explained to you why you can NEVER compare your situation with the situation of another individual in the case of a disability. Because its not the % of the disability that create the majority of the problem, its how the CONTEXT of the person RELATES to this disability.
Lets imagine for one second that I have no purpose in life and that I'm okay with no relationships and a very bad environement. Then my condition is not really that bad. After all I don't work and I have the time to watch youtube all day.
Thing is: I have a dream. And my dream - for me - is the most important thing in my life. Even more important that my OWN life (Blame One Piece and Naruto for that, they raised me.) I would literally give 10 years of my life span just to be able to accomplish it. And right now I'm can't even work to follow that dream. So i'm literally waking up everyday with the feeling that I'm dying slowly without any solution. On top of that, I see no one, I can't even maintain my environment or my health and I can't go outside. That's why - in my OWN context - I'm living in hell.
I'm literally the opposite. I want people to stop trying to make the world run the way they want it to be and instead let it run how it REALLY IS.
Again, you are failing to understand that I'm the most materialistic person on this server (at least, it seems to be the case). My mindset does not come from my ideals it comes from the reality of the world itself.
Let me give you an example. For you when someone say "I believe that people can achieve anything that they want if they make enough effort", do you feel like its similar to what I'm saying ?
In reality its the opposite. People who are saying that are coming from an idealistic point of view. They consider that the mind is prevalent and therefore can surpass any environement constraint.
That's
Not
How
Reality
Works.
In reality we are the result of our genes, our social context and our environement. In other word, with our current system, people are not born with the same chances and some people - despite their effort - will never be able to achieve what they want because of their determination or effort.
What I want, is to change that and to change that we need to understand how reality work. For example we need to follow the scientific and sociological consensus that explain that we are raised with a number of capitals (economic, social and cultural), the strenght of those capital is what makes the difference - in our society - between someone who is in the upper class and someone in the working class.
So to change society and create more equality, with must NOT be idealistic and think that the mind can surpass anything, in reality we must be the opposite and be materialist. We must understand that society is formed by social structures and that those structures are influenced by the environment, the system itself and the concepts that is helping said system to maintain itself.
One of those concept is meritocracy. An IDEALISTIC and MYTHOLOGIC concept about the structure of society believing that those who are successfull deserve their place because of their own efforts. Like most idealistic concept, this is completely bogus. That's not how reality works or should work and this is therefore a system that is a simple illusion. A way to legitimize capitalism and liberalism because we are too afraid to change for another system.
As you can see, accusing me of being overally idealistic is completely missunderstanding what I'm actually saying or believing in.
If you want to describe reality, You should rather say that I'm overally materialistic, this would actually be true.
And yet...
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/lower_income_people_quicker_to_show_compassion
People who recognize their suffering in others tends to be empathic. So when you suffer, there is a high chance that you will be empathic toward others.
Indeed. And it start by not considering an entire field of study as pseudoscience simply because it doesn't fit your viewpoint. :)
I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just witnessing how you are taking the side of ableism, that's all
Imagine saying to an elephant that he is unhealthy for being big and eating with his trunks...
Me : *Explaining my point of view and presenting dozen of scientific papers demonstrating what I say*
You: "Don't care, won't read"
You: *Saying BS*
Me : *Explaining why what you just said is BS referencing to the papers and documentation I shared previously*
You: "You are delulu"
Me: "You are antiscientific"
You: "No, YOU are antiscientific"
Me: *Presenting evidences and research papers*
You: "What you share is only pseudoscience"
Me: "I'm waiting for your own evidences"
You: *Present nothing*
You: "you are antiscientific and you don't understand science"
Me: "lol, U funny"
Also I'm still waiting your reaction to this information:
No. Because I'm not comparing my situation with the situation or context of someone else. I'm saying what "I" would prefer because I know very well that in that situation I would actually be able to do the things I want, something that is impossible for me right now. At NO POINT have I ever said that my situation was worse than someone else. For some people, losing a limb might actually be worse that what I'm living right now, for me, its just not the case, I would actually prefer that deal.
That's why I explained to you why you can NEVER compare your situation with the situation of another individual in the case of a disability. Because its not the % of the disability that create the majority of the problem, its how the CONTEXT of the person RELATES to this disability.
Lets imagine for one second that I have no purpose in life and that I'm okay with no relationships and a very bad environement. Then my condition is not really that bad. After all I don't work and I have the time to watch youtube all day.
Thing is: I have a dream. And my dream - for me - is the most important thing in my life. Even more important that my OWN life (Blame One Piece and Naruto for that, they raised me.) I would literally give 10 years of my life span just to be able to accomplish it. And right now I'm can't even work to follow that dream. So i'm literally waking up everyday with the feeling that I'm dying slowly without any solution. On top of that, I see no one, I can't even maintain my environment or my health and I can't go outside. That's why - in my OWN context - I'm living in hell.
I'm literally the opposite. I want people to stop trying to make the world run the way they want it to be and instead let it run how it REALLY IS.
Again, you are failing to understand that I'm the most materialistic person on this server (at least, it seems to be the case). My mindset does not come from my ideals it comes from the reality of the world itself.
Let me give you an example. For you when someone say "I believe that people can achieve anything that they want if they make enough effort", do you feel like its similar to what I'm saying ?
In reality its the opposite. People who are saying that are coming from an idealistic point of view. They consider that the mind is prevalent and therefore can surpass any environement constraint.
That's
Not
How
Reality
Works.
In reality we are the result of our genes, our social context and our environement. In other word, with our current system, people are not born with the same chances and some people - despite their effort - will never be able to achieve what they want because of their determination or effort.
What I want, is to change that and to change that we need to understand how reality work. For example we need to follow the scientific and sociological consensus that explain that we are raised with a number of capitals (economic, social and cultural), the strenght of those capital is what makes the difference - in our society - between someone who is in the upper class and someone in the working class.
So to change society and create more equality, with must NOT be idealistic and think that the mind can surpass anything, in reality we must be the opposite and be materialist. We must understand that society is formed by social structures and that those structures are influenced by the environment, the system itself and the concepts that is helping said system to maintain itself.
One of those concept is meritocracy. An IDEALISTIC and MYTHOLOGIC concept about the structure of society believing that those who are successfull deserve their place because of their own efforts. Like most idealistic concept, this is completely bogus. That's not how reality works or should work and this is therefore a system that is a simple illusion. A way to legitimize capitalism and liberalism because we are too afraid to change for another system.
As you can see, accusing me of being overally idealistic is completely missunderstanding what I'm actually saying or believing in.
If you want to describe reality, You should rather say that I'm overally materialistic, this would actually be true.
And yet...
https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/lower_income_people_quicker_to_show_compassion
People who recognize their suffering in others tends to be empathic. So when you suffer, there is a high chance that you will be empathic toward others.
Indeed. And it start by not considering an entire field of study as pseudoscience simply because it doesn't fit your viewpoint. :)
I'm not accusing you of anything. I'm just witnessing how you are taking the side of ableism, that's all
Imagine saying to an elephant that he is unhealthy for being big and eating with his trunks...
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@Logiko if I didn't rest your "info" I wouldn't be able to point out everything wrong with it. So please stop the fake news. And about Israel sure anyone can accuse them from anything. To prove it is another thing. But who gives a shit about an organization that declares Palestine a state with a leader responsible for the genocide of October 7th...
You mean the ICC prosecutor asking for an arrest warrant for the two major Israeli leaders and Hamas War crim perpetuator for crimes such as forced starvation, rape, murder, war crimes or crime against humanity ?
This is not "fake news" mate. This is real. You might wanna check the news lol
The ICC is not "anyone".
Come on..
We already have the proof mate. They are gonna be arrested. Their choice is to run or give themself up now.
Damn.. the colonizer mindset is strong with this one.
This is not "fake news" mate. This is real. You might wanna check the news lol
The ICC is not "anyone".
Come on..
We already have the proof mate. They are gonna be arrested. Their choice is to run or give themself up now.
Damn.. the colonizer mindset is strong with this one.
