Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

Empathy has always existed

That's literally what I said.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Ok this alone is just more proof that you don't understand even the basics. Just increasing minimum wage to $30 an hour wont solve the problem. There is nothing stopping corporations from simply firing a chunk of their workers and gouging prices, making the worker class suffer even more. There are no regulations in place to stop that right now.

It's so simple....

And that's why all companies must be owned by the employees and the working class be abolished

 

[Roo]

You guys.. are really really REALLY sad.

 

[Daniel]

Just increasing minimum wage to $30 an hour wont solve the problem.

It gets worse when inflation hits with the price of everything going up (and continuing to go up) even though the wages stay the same for what, the last three+ years or so?

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[AL sama]

If Al doesn’t want to talk about it then let it be. Not trying to be rude here but there are more serious disabilities. I don’t lack sympathy or empathy for you in your condition but you’re better off than most disabled people and I hope you find the strength to navigate through your own problems.

don't bother

he doesn't have the ability to understand how him claiming his 'lack of motivation" as a disability can offend people like me

 

[Herrera95]

What science ?

Real science. Not your wannabe pseudo science.

Guy what're you talking about....the very nature of captialism is to extract captial from others to increase your wealth. It greatly benefits the owner class who can easily extract wealth from the worker class which creates bigger wealth disparity. The purpose of regulation is to limit inflation, lobbying, monopolies, and wealth disparity, and Government is what applies these regulations in the first place.

The purpose of regulation is no other than helping their friends to beat their enemies or to political propaganda.

Free market is all about competition. So owners can't extract from the worker class because their competition can simply offer a better working environment (and that includes salary of course) and took over. The same about prices, customers can simply stop buying from the company that is asking enormous prices and buy from the one that is asking a reasonable or even a cheaper price. But for that to happen it has to be a competition and regulations ALWAYS makes more difficult for competition when they don't prevent competition at all.

I'm pretty sure I showed you all here the case for the ketchup industry Heinz and how it was benefitied from political regulation to become what it is today and crush their competition.

https://www.aei.org/articles/heinz-and-buffett-big-government-for-thick-ketchup/

 

[Uncle Van]

It gets worse when inflation hits with the price of everything going up (and continuing to go up) even though the wages stay the same for what, the last three+ years or so?

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Inflation is when prices goes up due to increased demand. Corporate consumerism is the main component of inflation. Price gouging is where companies hike up prices solely to make a bigger buck.

Main issue is that employee wages are considered corporate liabilities and goes counter productive with their infinite growth chasing.

 

[Logiko]

he doesn't have the ability to understand how him claiming his 'lack of motivation" as a disability can offend people like me

Indeed. I don't understand how someone with a disability can fall so low as implicitely delegitimate someone else's disability in an ableist world where the two of us are already put in competition to delegitimate eachothers by people who think that valuable people are only people who contribute to society.

In my world, we stand with each others no matter the context and we never forget to be empathic or understand that we are not in someone else's shoes to avoid having this very type of ignorant judgement.

Real science. Not your wannabe pseudo science.

I'm still waiting to see it. But strangely, between you and me, I've been the only one to share scientific researches and scientific data so... what science mate ?

And that's why all companies must be owned by the employees and the working class be abolished

Based

 

[Z-Saber]

Indeed. I don't understand how someone with a disability can fall so low as implicitely delegitimate someone else's disability in an ableist world where the two of us are already put in competition to delegitimate eachothers by people who think that valuable people are only people who contribute to society.

In my world, we stand with each others no matter the context and we never forget to be empathic or understand that we are not in someone else's shoes to avoid having this very type of ignorant judgement.

Damn man, you’re delusional… earlier you said you’d rather cut off both legs than to have your current affliction but I promise you that if were reality you wouldn’t feel that way. You find the motivation to write essays on here all day somehow, put that towards literally anything else even if it’s just creative writing because this is just not it brother.

 

[Toby D. Dog]

Damn man, you’re delusional… earlier you said you’d rather cut off both legs than to have your current affliction but I promise you that if were reality you wouldn’t feel that way. You find the motivation to write essays on here all day somehow, put that towards literally anything else even if it’s just creative writing because this is just not it brother.

You’re talking to the human embodiment of a brick wall. My man is hopeless.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Rename this thread to “worstgen mental institution”

 

[Zenos7]

Because that who we are, social animals.

Meerkats are social animals where the alpha female kills the offspring of the other females in their group

 

[Logiko]

Damn man, you’re delusional… earlier you said you’d rather cut off both legs than to have your current affliction but I promise you that if were reality you wouldn’t feel that way

Mate. I lost literally a decade of my life to that illness. Once again, you have NO IDEA of the impact that an illness - Small, strong or hell - can have on other people. Depending on the context, the ramification can be COMPLETELY different. When I say that I would cut my own two legs, its because I would actually do it in a heartbeat to be like other people and because I've actually thought about this HUNDREDS of times.

You find the motivation to write essays on here all day somehow

Yeah.. and I keep doing it because I want to understand how this is possible when I'm unable to simply take a shower. I keep doing it because it gives me actual hope. But you can't understand that unless you live it.

put that towards literally anything else even if it’s just creative writing because this is just not it brother

And this just prove to me that you simply didn't care to read what I F said.

Like I said, most people under capitalism and meritocracy are ignorant about most mental illness or disabilities, they understand and legitimate ONLY those they can see and will fit their ideology. The rest simply does not exist and the person is simply not making "enough effort".

Its:

- Autism (when its VISIBLE and the person actually HURT themself) : Valid
- Paralyzis : Valid
- Any other physical disability that are visible ? : Valid
- Skyzophrenia : Valid
- hardcore psychosis : Valid
- Invisible Autism : Invalid
- ADHD : It depends
- Depression : Valid
- Bipolarity : It depends
- Aphathy : Invalid
- Small psychosis : Invalid
- Anxiety : Invalid
- DID : It depends
- Aphasia : Valid
- Down syndrom : Valid
ETC.

So I'm not the one here being delulu, I'm actually understanding very clearly my situation. Is this the worst ? No, of course not, and I'm GLAD that my psychosis is only annihilating my entire social interactions, my motivation to take care of myself or my environment, my motivation to get up from my chair, my motivation to work, think or concentrate, my motivation to see people or take a walk... really, it could be MUCH MUCH worse. But I understand that I will be constantly reminded by meritocrates that my mental disability is nothing compared to others and that I could actually make an effort to improve - even when it simply not possible (its like asking an elephant to climb a tree, quite difficult). And I tanked that type of speech for 10 years, I can do 10 more.

You’re talking to the human embodiment of a brick wall. My man is hopeless.

You are not really helping me to consider you on my side. Legitimating ableism now ?

Meerkats are social animals where the alpha female kills the offspring of the other females in their group

Rip

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

Mate. I lost literally a decade of my life to that illness. Once again, you have NO IDEA of the impact that an illness - Small, strong or hell - can have on other people. Depending on the context, the ramification can be COMPLETELY different. When I say that I would cut my own two legs, its because I would actually do it in a heartbeat to be like other people and because I've actually thought about this HUNDREDS of times.


Yeah.. and I keep doing it because I want to understand how this is possible when I'm unable to simply take a shower. I keep doing it because it gives me actual hope. But you can't understand that unless you live it.


And this just prove to me that you simply didn't care to read what I F said.

Like I said, most people under capitalism and meritocracy are ignorant about most mental illness or disabilities, they understand and legitimate ONLY those they can see and will fit their ideology. The rest simply does not exist and the person is simply not making "enough effort".

Its:

- Autism (when its VISIBLE and the person actually HURT themself) : Valid
- Paralyzis : Valid
- Any other physical disability that are visible ? : Valid
- Skyzophrenia : Valid
- hardcore psychosis : Valid
- Invisible Autism : Invalid
- ADHD : It depends
- Depression : Valid
- Bipolarity : It depends
- Aphathy : Invalid
- Small psychosis : Invalid
- Anxiety : Invalid
- DID : It depends
- Aphasia : Valid
- Down syndrom : Valid
ETC.

So I'm not the one here being delulu, I'm actually understanding very clearly my situation. Is this the worst ? No, of course not, and I'm GLAD that my psychosis is only annihilating my entire social interactions, my motivation to take care of myself or my environment, my motivation to get up from my chair, my motivation to work, think or concentrate, my motivation to see people or take a walk... really, it could be MUCH MUCH worse. But I understand that I will be constantly reminded by meritocrates that my mental disability is nothing compared to others and that I could actually make an effort to improve - even when it simply not possible (its like asking an elephant to climb a tree, quite difficult). And I tanked that type of speech for 10 years, I can do 10 more.


You are not really helping me to consider you on my side. Legitimating ableism now ?

Rip

Like I said some disabilities / illnesses are more equal than others.
One can struggle with walking, breathing, be in so much pain they can barely speak, use all sorts of unusual walking aids and nobody recognizes one as disabled until the very moment they hop into a wheelchair and then suddenly everyone is considerate and offers help all the time even when none is needed.
Humans are idiots that run on prejudice and appearances. Stop defending yourself against these users, it's not worth your time. And I'll repeat what I said before: disability powerscaling is cringe and asinine.

 

[Logiko]

Rename this thread to “worstgen mental institution”

The subject is actually politic.

Once again, two values are entering in conflict. Those - like me - who think that we should not compare mental illness with each others or invalidate or delegitimate invisible disabilities no matter their nature and those who don't see invisible disabilities like mines as legitimate and who think we can be offended because someone explain their struggle when you actually live something much worse.

And there is only one winner:

Like I said some disabilities / illnesses are more equal than others.
One can struggle with walking, breathing, be in so much pain they can barely speak, use all sorts of unusual walking aids and nobody recognizes one as disabled until the very moment they hop into a wheelchair and then suddenly everyone is considerate and offers help all the time even when none is needed.
Humans are idiots that run on prejudice and appearances. Stop defending yourself against these users, it's not worth your time. And I'll repeat what I said before: disability powerscaling is cringe and asinine.

I do this mainly because its politic. But yeah, you are right, I shouldn't.

 

[AL sama]

Indeed. I don't understand how someone with a disability can fall so low as implicitely delegitimate someone else's disability in an ableist world where the two of us are already put in competition to delegitimate eachothers by people who think that valuable people are only people who contribute to society.

In my world, we stand with each others no matter the context and we never forget to be empathic or understand that we are not in someone else's shoes to avoid having this very type of ignorant judgement.

I m low for being offended, ok got it

kindly name you disability cause I don't wanna end up saying something insensitive without doing any research

 

[Herrera95]

I'm still waiting to see it. But strangely, between you and me, I've been the only one to share scientific researches and scientific data so... what science mate ?

Just the opposite

 

[Logiko]

kindly name you disability cause I don't wanna end up saying something insensitive without doing any research

My psychiatrist explains it as a non hallucinatory psychosis.

 

[Zenos7]

Rip

exactly, so being a social species isnt necessarily linked to empathy or being just or anything.

 

[Logiko]

Just the opposite

Still waiting to see the researches

exactly, so being a social species isnt necessarily linked to empathy or being just or anything.

In our case, it does. Our specific social nature is the reason why despite whatever the far rightist will tell you on this thread, the human specie is not inheritely bad, but actually has the potential to be both very bad and very good, and is also the reason why we the more we suffer, the more we tend to be empathic.

So @Herrera95 what does your invisible "science" will say about that ?

https://twitter.com/IntlCrimCourt/status/1792511246769570084

https://www.icc-cpi.int/news/statem...-applications-arrest-warrants-situation-state