Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1117 Spoilers Discussion

[ShishioIsBack]

Kaido and Yamato clashed using AdvCoC but does that make Yamato top tier? AdvCoC clashes for top tier clashes have to be sky splitting we can't set the bar so low for this. So far the story has shown us sky splitting is the pinnacle of AdvCoC clashes.

Kaido and Yamato's clash
a)Didn't seem that intense
b)Kaido wasn't blown back by impact of Yamato's CoC
c)Yamato used his strongest attack in strongest form while Kaido was playing with her

Zoro is using one of his weakest attacks in his weakest form, not even King of Hell Special and Gandhi still got blown back.

 

[Fujishiro]

So, then, I'm obviously missing something. Why do you believe Zoro's dream won't end with Mihawk?

We agree on Zoro surpassing Roger and on Luffy surpassing people stronger than Roger but you find issue in Mihawk, the goalpost that'll make Zoro become the strongest swordsman, being stronger than Roger (a swordsman with no black blade)?

If Imu's plot didn't exist, I'd have issues with this as well, but as we agree on, Luffy has a destiny beyond that and stronger people to beat, so I don't understand the issue.

I guess the question then would be: who do you think is a stronger swordsman than Mihawk that Zoro will fight after him?

Refer to the above, after the Imu reveal I had always thought that Zoro will become WSS at around the same time Luffy becomes Pirate King as Luffy said to him this line:

It feels to me like foreshadowing from Oda that they will both reach their goal at the same time. And since we know Luffy will become PK before fighting the World Government then Zoro will still have room to grow through battles.


@ShishioIsBack this is for you as well brother.​

 

[JohnnyBme]

The perspective and difference in size between Zoro and Nusjuru is horrible. Is he the same size as King? And Shodai Kitetsu looks as big as franky's robot sword,

 

[Dark-Abel]

Kaido and Yamato's clash
a)Didn't seem that intense
b)Kaido wasn't blown back by impact of Yamato's CoC
c)Yamato used his strongest attack in strongest form while Kaido was playing with her

Zoro is using one of his weakest attacks in his weakest form, not even King of Hell Special and Gandhi still got blown back.

It was a Jinbe + Zoro combo attack though

 

[Moewu]

I really doubt 'mo' is a words, the message was intercepted, so breaking within a word seems more fitting

Seems possible. According to google The Mo particle is commonly used to convey the meaning of “also” or “too.”

So, among you guys there is (Mo) also .... ?

Also what? A traitor?

If that's even the context. It could be a whole sentence missing afterward that was cut short, or even the word Mo could be a complete different word.

 

[Adamxero]

Nah I think that slash was nothing but invitation to battle. It was meant for Whitebeard to counter easily.

Still tho which non-top tier has been able to have massive clash of Advanced CoC and both being blown back as a result?
Please show me and I'll concede.
And Gandhi's CoC is actually a good deal stronger than Kaido and Big Mom's.

Yamato and Kaido clashed with AdvCoC. Sky splitting has to be the bar for top tier AdvCoC clashing.

No proof whatsoever Ghandi has better CoC than Kaido or Big Mom wtf

 

[Warine]

Refer to the above, after the Imu reveal I had always thought that Zoro will become WSS at around the same time Luffy becomes Pirate King as Luffy said to him this line:

It feels to me like foreshadowing from Oda that they will both reach their goal at the same time. And since we know Luffy will become PK before fighting the World Government then Zoro will still have room to grow through battles.


@ShishioIsBack this is for you as well brother.​

Shilliew flat out stated WG most likely has the last poneglyph, if they want to find the one piece they got to defeat them first

 

[Dark-Abel]

Seems possible. According to google The Mo particle is commonly used to convey the meaning of “also” or “too.”

So, among you guys there is (Mo) also .... ?

Also what? A traitor?

If that's even the context. It could be a whole sentence missing afterward that was cut short, or even the word Mo could be a complete different word.

Yes, another Traitor plot!!

 

[Fujishiro]

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman ever, zoro will not defeat the 4th or 3rd strongest and get goat shout out for that

He was never called so in the story lol. He could be but like I said Ill wait and reserve judgement. If Zoro doesnt fight Mihawk before or in Raftel and it becomes clear that he will be his final fight then I will concede that he is stronger then Roger and maybe Ryuma too.

I feel like its a fair take to have.

 

[Moegara]

See this is the issue, I have Zero clue. This is a true conundrum for me because on one hand I dont know how Zoro will surpass Roger and Ryuma and on the other hand I feel like Mihawk being stronger then Roger would diminish Luffys accomplishment when he reaches that milestone.

I just dont know bro, sorry. If Mihawk is Zoros last fight and it becomes clear that it is then I will admit that he is stronger then Roger and either equal to or stronger then Ryuma.

Well, that answers my question as well.

If Mihawk falls before Luffy surpasses Roger then that's it.

Refer to the above, after the Imu reveal I had always thought that Zoro will become WSS at around the same time Luffy becomes Pirate King as Luffy said to him this line:

It feels to me like foreshadowing from Oda that they will both reach their goal at the same time. And since we know Luffy will become PK before fighting the World Government then Zoro will still have room to grow through battles.


@ShishioIsBack this is for you as well brother.​

I can only say I'll be highly disappointed if that is the case.

And confused about the black blade stuff.

So I'll root against it. I appreciate you consider it a conundrum even if you lean into the opposite stance.

 

[Warine]

He was never called so in the story lol. He could be but like I said Ill wait and reserve judgement. If Zoro doesnt fight Mihawk before or in Raftel and it becomes clear that he will be his final fight then I will concede that he is stronger then Roger and maybe Ryuma too.

I feel like its a fair take to have.

Whatever man

 

[ShishioIsBack]

Yamato and Kaido clashed with AdvCoC. Sky splitting has to be the bar for top tier AdvCoC clashing.

Yamato was using her strongest attack and Kaido wasn't blown back. Stop with the sky splliting clown show lmao. Zoro can split Kaido's ass cheeks anytime

No proof whatsoever Ghandi has better CoC than Kaido or Big Mom wtf

Dude Haki Roar from Piggy Makes Big Mom look like a joke
Jinbei treats Gorosei Haki like Shanks' Haki and treats Big Mom like a joke
Gandhi when he arrived just by walking produced bigger CoC than Roger and Whitebeard ever has.

 

[Fujishiro]

Shilliew flat out stated WG most likely has the last poneglyph, if they want to find the one piece they got to defeat them first

They arent defeating the WG first lol. Literally reread Marineford. Whoever finds the One Piece will come and challeng the World Government into a huge war.

Shiryus statement isnt a fact he was just speculating that they might have it, but others think its the man with the flames that has the last one.

 

[ShishioIsBack]

It was a Jinbe + Zoro combo attack though

YOU ASBOLUTE CLOWNS LMAOOOOO

 

[Thaidakar]

What was it haters said? Huff Zoro extreme diffed luffy's leftover Lucci? Zoro almost died beating Lucci?

If 1HP Zoro makes Ghandi spin like beyblades, what does 2HP Zoro do???

Do tell bros?? We're listening

 

[Warine]

They arent defeating the WG first lol. Literally reread Marineford. Whoever finds the One Piece will come and challeng the World Government into a huge war.

Shiryus statement isnt a fact he was just speculating that they might have it, but others think its the man with the flames that has the last one.

You re not answering to what I said, why do you think Blackbeard wanted the appearance of a gorosei?

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

He was never called so in the story lol. He could be but like I said Ill wait and reserve judgement. If Zoro doesnt fight Mihawk before or in Raftel and it becomes clear that he will be his final fight then I will concede that he is stronger then Roger and maybe Ryuma too.

I feel like its a fair take to have.

Rn I have him equal to Roger due to him being above Shanks.

 

[Fujishiro]

You re not answering to what I said, why do you think Blackbeard wanted the appearance of a gorosei?

0 Clue, we know he wants the world but thats pretty much it.

Rn I have him equal to Roger due to him being above Shanks.

Thats fine lol. I have him a bit weaker. Either way is fine lol.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

2 swords zoro made a gorosei do backflip LOL

 

[Adamxero]

Kaido and Yamato's clash
a)Didn't seem that intense
b)Kaido wasn't blown back by impact of Yamato's CoC
c)Yamato used his strongest attack in strongest form while Kaido was playing with her

Zoro is using one of his weakest attacks in his weakest form, not even King of Hell Special and Gandhi still got blown back.

A) Yet both were bleeding off each others attacks. So doesn't seem and what it was are two different things.

B) Kaido was still using AdvCoC to combat Yamato's AdvCoC the point here isn't the who was blown back it's that just because two AdvCoC users clash doesn't mean they are both top tiers. Luffy vs Kaido has a sky split. Shanks and Whitebeard has sky split. Roger and Whitebeard had sky split. It's clear at a certain level the only top tier AdvCoC clashes that matter are those which split the sky.

C) Kaido said himself he wasn't holding back on Yamato and did overpower her before Luffy stepped in.

We can't say an AdvCoC is one of his weakest attacks but we can't say Ghandi used one of his strongest ones either this is the problem with not knowing much and why we have to wait.