[FNZ] Salem of Lies Return of the Throne (Unofficial)

[Reborn]

I thought I have explained this.

I'm pissed because I became a major suspect for voicing my opinion about Cobra being a townie. My reason was Cobra being not trusting anyone made him townie imo since imo townie shouldn't trust anyone on D1. Moreover it was based on his experience from past game so it looked genuine.

But some users said I contradicted myself and said since I don't trust anyone then I shouldn't trust Cobra too.

Maybe I should have worded it better that:

There's nobody I trust until I can confirm someone who I think is townie. That way I when I read Cobra as town, I wouldn't contradict myself to some players here.


That's interesting. How do we figure it out who we are dealing with without claiming? Do you have any idea?

Not 100% confirm way but still a way....


Within cult, only cult leader can convert and eradicate. CL when kills then he kills two people at the same time or else he will convert. It can't be both at same time..(you people have faced the wrath of Reborn the cult leader in past game 😂😂😂)



But case with unseen is different.


They can convert and kill (only one though)at the same time -mastermind and assassin.

Night actions can give us fair idea with whom we are dealing

 

[Fallen Prince]

Neutral

You seem ok for now. I don't know if this is your usual meta but you're actively trying to hunt even though some posts may be a bit aggro.

Reborn asks some deep questions and played like he played in kakeguri so I'm leaning town with him. His scum hunting is ruthless.

Krog and Queen I'm on the fence with. Queen leaning the slightest bit towards town since she's been very active unlike her scummy self. However some of her earlier posts have been questionable.

Beta is being a beta via reverse sussing anyone who suses him so he's town for now.

Kiwi reactions seem genuine to your pushing so she's feeling towish. I don't think she would have reacted that way if she was inseed scum.

Flower I still feel is a bit scummy. Just a gut feeling. Mostly has done a few fluff posts here and there and has 2 posts that are semi decent. Disappeared again.

Sera seemed a bit too hurt at fuji's accusations so I doubt that deflection atm. On the fence with him. I need more.

Fuji is probably the most townie along with reborn since he's been putting in the most work it seems. I don't agree with some of his reads though which he does continually rectify so that's a good sign.

NW seems ok. I don't think he's the fool. If he is he would be more experienced than just to let out a slip. Also his 'slip' was rather thin tbh so Idk why people were sussing him this hard. Question- how exactly does the fool lose? Can he die at night or no?


Cobra seems good for now although these 2 posts contradicts each other.




He wanted to have a shorter first day and claimed claimed day 1 was trash.
But then he went on to say the second quote which directly contradicts what he had been saying up until that point. I don't think he's scum but I'm gonna watch him.



Is that true? So the king if mafia doesn't know about his other mafia teammates? Is it just the normal mafia (e.g. not mafia king) that are aware of each others identify?




He's not going after beta in that sentence. Beta always plays scummy therefore he's town. Thats exactly right lol.



@Queen neutral kings cannot exist until they're voted in. Light can either only be mafia or BD since this is the start of the game. I'm leaning towards town due to his role in active scum hunting. He seemed to play like this last game too which he was town.





Other reads-
Lanji seems good. Again he has good scum hunting and seems to ask the right questions.
Fallen Prince is a bit iffy at the moment do idk about him.
Others I've not seen enough off to account for.
Sunita is a blank.

Well you forgot kiwi did vote on Al sama

I can understand the iffy part from my point of view :

Sera needs to gives his decent explanation on why he think neutral is a jester ? o far NW 's action s wer more town as later part of DP progressed .

You can forgot about lanji part he was arguing about playstyle of wolf ? The game needlessly dragged on .

 

[NeutralWatcher]

Not 100% confirm way but still a way....


Within cult, only cult leader can convert and eradicate. CL when kills then he kills two people at the same time or else he will convert. It can't be both at same time..(you people have faced the wrath of Reborn the cult leader in past game 😂😂😂)



But case with unseen is different.


They can convert and kill (only one though)at the same time -mastermind and assassin.

Night actions can give us fair idea with whom we are dealing

So Cult is more dangerous since he/she can kill 2 people at night while Unseen can only 1 kill people at night. But Cult has to sacrifice 2 members IIRC if Cult want to do Night Action.

Neutral



Well you forgot kiwi did vote on Al sama

I can understand the iffy part from my point of view :

Sera needs to gives his decent explanation on why he think neutral is a jester ? o far NW 's action s wer more town as later part of DP progressed .

You can forgot about lanji part he was arguing about playstyle of wolf ? The game needlessly dragged on .

I'm not Jester/Fool. I'm Blue Dragon.

 

[Fallen Prince]

So Cult is more dangerous since he/she can kill 2 people at night while Unseen can only 1 kill people at night. But Cult has to sacrifice 2 members IIRC if Cult want to do Night Action.


I'm not Jester/Fool. I'm Blue Dragon.

well i think thats cool , you picked up well when you charged on flower . But still this Day 1 is always rollercoaster with players firing one another thats true beauty of mafia.

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I am glad there is actually whisper in this game , seems like this game is based on town of salem .

 

[NeutralWatcher]

well i think thats cool , you picked up well when you charged on flower . But still this Day 1 is always rollercoaster with players firing one another thats true beauty of mafia.

Tbf Flower is still in my sus list. She painted me as scum for clearing Cobra yet she did the same thing.

She also claimed Princess when there was only 1 vote on her (from me). Moreover Princess is not a unique role so her claim could be fake. I'll still keep my eye on her tomorrow.

What's your thought on Flower?

 

[Marimo_420]

Neutral
Well you forgot kiwi did vote on Al sama

i didn't forgot. I put it down as genuine frustration. She reacted in a way that doesn't feel scummy and she explained herself plenty tbh. While revese voting for someone who voted for you isn't exactly optimal I can see why she would do that.

I can understand the iffy part from my point of view :

Sera needs to gives his decent explanation on why he think neutral is a jester ? o far NW 's action s wer more town as later part of DP progressed .

Ah ok. This one I did miss. Is sera adamant that neutral is jester and could you quote him?

You can forgot about lanji part he was arguing about playstyle of wolf ? The game needlessly dragged on .

I ignored this because this argument added nothing conclusive

 

[Fallen Prince]

Not 100% confirm way but still a way....


Within cult, only cult leader can convert and eradicate. CL when kills then he kills two people at the same time or else he will convert. It can't be both at same time..(you people have faced the wrath of Reborn the cult leader in past game 😂😂😂)



But case with unseen is different.


They can convert and kill (only one though)at the same time -mastermind and assassin.

Night actions can give us fair idea with whom we are dealing

A question what i didnt get the king's role in the game. @Dragomir stated king is randomly appointed ! So is he like Neutral figure in this game ?

So what happens if a scum is the king ? I am new to this thrones of lies but it gives gist of TOS game with mechanics like whisper is being featured.

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i didn't forgot. I put it down as genuine frustration. She reacted in a way that doesn't feel scummy and she explained herself plenty tbh. While revese voting for someone who voted for you isn't exactly optimal I can see why she would do that.




Ah ok. This one I did miss. Is sera adamant that neutral is jester and could you quote him?



I ignored this because this argument added nothing conclusive

I took a lot of my available time on you just now I have work rn so reads will only be forthcoming in a few hours.

Since NW is apparently Jester, I am going to the other person I sussed:

Vote Al

 

[Finalbeta]

Tbf Flower is still in my sus list. She painted me as scum for clearing Cobra yet she did the same thing.

She also claimed Princess when there was only 1 vote on her (from me). Moreover Princess is not a unique role so her claim could be fake. I'll still keep my eye on her tomorrow.

What's your thought on Flower?

Flower felt allegedly pressured by my case, her excuse for claiming so abruptly was "I claim because I don't want to defend myself" which however holds no ground for her common playstyle. Never saw her doing anything like this, not under so little require.

Her egged case towards me made no sense, and she was overly nervous about the idea of me going after AL and krog.

All I was doing however was entertaining the idea of a possible common thread between the two, based off their behaviour concerning me. They both seemed to only start sus'ing me when sus'ing me back. Also, krog in particular was fixiated with the Beta is being Beta thing, which was being reiterated constantly by him, whilst AL sama was making a big case over my answer to Queen, which was logically standing.

 

[Reborn]

A question what i didnt get the king's role in the game. @Dragomir stated king is randomly appointed ! So is he like Neutral figure in this game ?

So what happens if a scum is the king ? I am new to this thrones of lies but it gives gist of TOS game with mechanics like whisper is being featured.

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A king in this game can be good king, cult king, unseen king, Neutral king or psycho king

Starting king can't be neutral king or psycho king.


So starting king (light) can be either good king or cult king or unseen king. We don't know.

We have to figure out through his gameplay. If find him suspicious then either Butler can poison him to death or we can Lynch him.

 

[Fallen Prince]

Tbf Flower is still in my sus list. She painted me as scum for clearing Cobra yet she did the same thing.

She also claimed Princess when there was only 1 vote on her (from me). Moreover Princess is not a unique role so her claim could be fake. I'll still keep my eye on her tomorrow.

What's your thought on Flower?

For most part she was doing well , she started with her reads on reborn , wolf as town .

As game progressed she believes cobra is newbie and cleared him immediately (not sure why she did that ?)

However , when she pushed on beta as scum , he jumps into the thread about the accusation she was throwing shades on him basically green lighting both Al sama and krog . later part she gave in her role as "princess" when players started ganging on her .

Her vote on finalbeta was weird down the line i mean it does contradicts whatever she said so far about Al and Wolf .

 

[AL sama]

what did I miss??

I m jester cause I went off??

flower just claimed and vanished??

@Queen I don't TOL roles very well

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Fallen Prince stop arguing I m pretty sure you both are townies

 

[Seraphoenix]

This is where I got the idea that NW is apparently jester. Haven't reached those pages yet

I don't think you are there yet but nw has shown to act a bit like a Fool. Maybe look at pages 30-33 just to be sure?

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what did I miss??

I m jester cause I went off??

flower just claimed and vanished??

@Queen I don't TOL roles very well

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Fallen Prince stop arguing I m pretty sure you both are townies

and your angle shooting

 

[Fallen Prince]

what did I miss??

I m jester cause I went off??

flower just claimed and vanished??

@Queen I don't TOL roles very well

@LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Fallen Prince stop arguing I m pretty sure you both are townies

No probs these things happens in mafia , I am fine with @LANJI CUCKSMOKE playing bad cop on me . Though i did get irritated with his post thats natural in any mafia game ! I am okay bro .

 

[Reborn]

Hot takes: We're dealing with Unseen because Drago wouldn't go with cult route again.

I think this post and timing of this post makes me feel kiwi being unseen or cult is less likely.

It would be too bold of an act from scum.

She can be neutral or blue dragon

Whats up boys? Let's all have a good game again, Good luck to all of us.

I was hoping to lynch either Jew or Nat but they don't seem to be in this game.

Oh well.

How many scums would you say are for 18 players. 3 to 5?

My bad. You both know I'm dyslexic smh.


Doesn't that seem a bit too op though. Being able to convert every night. Does this work in connection with fraction killing or are they able to ude only one ability per night.

Cobra fuji. They start with 2 people lol.

All roles and factions here
https://tol.fandom.com/wiki/Factions

Its good to have a gist no?
Like you said the sheriff/paladin in every game. And with the unseen, they start off with an assassin and the mastermind.

It would be wise to at least have a general idea

Agree with the general consensus tbh.

Flower seems the scummiest at the moment. Nothing really that they've said added anything of value to the on going discussion.
Sera always feels like scum even though she's most likely town lol.
Kiwi I don't know since I've never really played games with her.
NW I can't tell due to the trauma of the last game. He's just 50/50 all the time now.
Light is ok, his meta seems like the last game so he's most likely town.
Fuji and Reborn are the most townie for the moment. Fuji being the towniest.

Beta is just being beta so he's town.

Queen and Al I can't tell either.

This should be lights town meta. I'm 70 percent sure lol. I've only played with him twice and his town meta is where he's more open and willing to scum hunt more.

I have no clue on al tho

You seem ok for now. I don't know if this is your usual meta but you're actively trying to hunt even though some posts may be a bit aggro.

Reborn asks some deep questions and played like he played in kakeguri so I'm leaning town with him. His scum hunting is ruthless.

Krog and Queen I'm on the fence with. Queen leaning the slightest bit towards town since she's been very active unlike her scummy self. However some of her earlier posts have been questionable.

Beta is being a beta via reverse sussing anyone who suses him so he's town for now.

Kiwi reactions seem genuine to your pushing so she's feeling towish. I don't think she would have reacted that way if she was inseed scum.

Flower I still feel is a bit scummy. Just a gut feeling. Mostly has done a few fluff posts here and there and has 2 posts that are semi decent. Disappeared again.

Sera seemed a bit too hurt at fuji's accusations so I doubt that deflection atm. On the fence with him. I need more.

Fuji is probably the most townie along with reborn since he's been putting in the most work it seems. I don't agree with some of his reads though which he does continually rectify so that's a good sign.

NW seems ok. I don't think he's the fool. If he is he would be more experienced than just to let out a slip. Also his 'slip' was rather thin tbh so Idk why people were sussing him this hard. Question- how exactly does the fool lose? Can he die at night or no?


Cobra seems good for now although these 2 posts contradicts each other.




He wanted to have a shorter first day and claimed claimed day 1 was trash.
But then he went on to say the second quote which directly contradicts what he had been saying up until that point. I don't think he's scum but I'm gonna watch him.



Is that true? So the king if mafia doesn't know about his other mafia teammates? Is it just the normal mafia (e.g. not mafia king) that are aware of each others identify?




He's not going after beta in that sentence. Beta always plays scummy therefore he's town. Thats exactly right lol.



@Queen neutral kings cannot exist until they're voted in. Light can either only be mafia or BD since this is the start of the game. I'm leaning towards town due to his role in active scum hunting. He seemed to play like this last game too which he was town.





Other reads-
Lanji seems good. Again he has good scum hunting and seems to ask the right questions.
Fallen Prince is a bit iffy at the moment do idk about him.
Others I've not seen enough off to account for.
Sunita is a blank.

ok I'm not so sure bout light actually being town now. Still don't suspect him but this is giving me doubts.

i didn't forgot. I put it down as genuine frustration. She reacted in a way that doesn't feel scummy and she explained herself plenty tbh. While revese voting for someone who voted for you isn't exactly optimal I can see why she would do that.




Ah ok. This one I did miss. Is sera adamant that neutral is jester and could you quote him?



I ignored this because this argument added nothing conclusive

Marimo I have some problems with you.


Your posts lack contribution. All you did is being on the fences with exception of your two posts about giving reads.

Even those two posts one of them was based on general consensus and other was nothing much either.

You aren't engaged into scum hunt nor do I see any contribution from you.


Give me reasons why I don't vote you out??

 

[Fallen Prince]

@alsama for most part flower was defending you when she voted beta ? What do you say about it ?

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I'll answer your question since you quoted me and then I'll read the pages

I have noticed that you focused too much on mechanics.

Why?

Are you trying to come out as noob king?

I was interested in how the game works, and I thought it was better to ask here than check the wiki, because when I read NW's post from the wiki I understood that the cult can have any number of players, but later you told me they can only have 4.

 

[AL sama]

and your angle shooting

huh not this nonsense again

gosh do you realize how bad it'd look for me if I broke my own rule just for simple game as the mod??

 

[Fallen Prince]

@Reborn @Light D Lamperouge what do you think flowers claim as princess ? She disappeared with unvoting beta that does nt look good on her .

 

[Marimo_420]

I think this post and timing of this post makes me feel kiwi being unseen or cult is less likely.

It would be too bold of an act from scum.

She can be neutral or blue dragon















Marimo I have some problems with you.


Your posts lack contribution. All you did is being on the fences with exception of your two posts about giving reads.

Even those two posts one of them was based on general consensus and other was nothing much either.

You aren't engaged into scum hunt nor do I see any contribution from you.


Give me reasons why I don't vote you out??

Yeah I don't want to be lead by experienced scum or they use my reads to jump on a bandwagon.

Thats literally all I've got unfortunately

 

[Seraphoenix]

huh not this nonsense again

gosh do you realize how bad it'd look for me if I broke my own rule just for simple game as the mod??