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"Nazism wanted to transform the subjective consciousness of the German people – its attitudes, values and mentalities – into a single-minded, obedient "national community". The Nazis believed that they would therefore have to replace class, religious and regional allegiances"
"The Papacy's spiritual rule of Italy was restored by the Italian Fascist régime (albeit on a greatly diminished scale) in 1929 as head of the Vatican City state; under Mussolini's dictatorship, Roman Catholicism was declared the State religion of Fascist Italy"
"The Papacy's spiritual rule of Italy was restored by the Italian Fascist régime (albeit on a greatly diminished scale) in 1929 as head of the Vatican City state; under Mussolini's dictatorship, Roman Catholicism was declared the State religion of Fascist Italy"
Yes they were (not all of them tho) :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
And same for Fascists in Italy. (I'm talking mainly about the population not the states itself that was anticlerical)
They were not only religious, they tried to use religion or the repression of religious believes as a way to control the masses.
THat's what "religion and state" means. Fascism is the cult of tradition, and one of its basis is religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Nazi_Germany
And same for Fascists in Italy. (I'm talking mainly about the population not the states itself that was anticlerical)
They were not only religious, they tried to use religion or the repression of religious believes as a way to control the masses.
THat's what "religion and state" means. Fascism is the cult of tradition, and one of its basis is religion
Not really. Although there were religious fascist, the state used it to try to control the mass.
That's exactly what is happening in Europpean country. For example Cryptofascist far right party are using the so call christian foundation of the country to estinguish Muslim and Islam.
Fascism is rooted with the hate of everything different from what it deems to be the norm and will therefore use everything, even religion and twist its usage to repress other confession.
Its important to note also that fascism is an adaptative movement. Meaning that it will grow in different form alongside different ideologies. You might wanna search the term "clerical fascism" which is something that grew with Mussolini and less with Hitler.
But in anyway. You don't have to understand the point : "religion and state interwined" as we saying that fascist are always religious. The point is that fascist will have not problem to use religion or its spreading to control the mass and oppress minorities.
That's exactly what is happening in Europpean country. For example Cryptofascist far right party are using the so call christian foundation of the country to estinguish Muslim and Islam.
Fascism is rooted with the hate of everything different from what it deems to be the norm and will therefore use everything, even religion and twist its usage to repress other confession.
Its important to note also that fascism is an adaptative movement. Meaning that it will grow in different form alongside different ideologies. You might wanna search the term "clerical fascism" which is something that grew with Mussolini and less with Hitler.
But in anyway. You don't have to understand the point : "religion and state interwined" as we saying that fascist are always religious. The point is that fascist will have not problem to use religion or its spreading to control the mass and oppress minorities.
Mate,
First, Why are you suddenly hostile when we are defining fascism ?
Second, The fact that Nazis were anticlerical doesn't change the fact that Germany or the states ideologies were heavily influenced by religion. Religous christian people as explained welcomed Nazism
Third, when we talk about Fascism we talk not only about Nazism, but every fascism (included here the fascism of Mussolini that had ties with religious people >> check "clerical fascism" ).
HItler was an atheist (not all Nazi were atheist, they had very different set of beliefs actually) but it didn't stop him to try to use religion to control the masses.
Fourth. Again, you need to understand that when we are talking about the link between religion and fascism, we are not necessarily saying that the stay is pro religion, we are explaining how the state is using religion as a tool for control.
But the main problem isn't really religion, its the cult of traditions which religions are a part of and its appropriation by fascist as a mean of control and repression.
First, Why are you suddenly hostile when we are defining fascism ?
Second, The fact that Nazis were anticlerical doesn't change the fact that Germany or the states ideologies were heavily influenced by religion. Religous christian people as explained welcomed Nazism
Third, when we talk about Fascism we talk not only about Nazism, but every fascism (included here the fascism of Mussolini that had ties with religious people >> check "clerical fascism" ).
HItler was an atheist (not all Nazi were atheist, they had very different set of beliefs actually) but it didn't stop him to try to use religion to control the masses.
Fourth. Again, you need to understand that when we are talking about the link between religion and fascism, we are not necessarily saying that the stay is pro religion, we are explaining how the state is using religion as a tool for control.
But the main problem isn't really religion, its the cult of traditions which religions are a part of and its appropriation by fascist as a mean of control and repression.
Not necessarily no.
I'm using the scholar consensus and the words of a scholar who studied and fought fascism to explain what fascism is mate. Stay focus.
Again to understand how to recognize primitive fascism you can check for the words of Umberto Eco. His description of Urfascism is largely accepted by scholars and researchers on the subject:
Also, why the animosity ?
I'm using the scholar consensus and the words of a scholar who studied and fought fascism to explain what fascism is mate. Stay focus.
Again to understand how to recognize primitive fascism you can check for the words of Umberto Eco. His description of Urfascism is largely accepted by scholars and researchers on the subject:
Also, why the animosity ?
Not necessarily no.
I'm using the scholar consensus and the words of a scholar who studied and fought fascism to explain what fascism is mate. Stay focus.
Again to understand how to recognize primitive fascism you can check for the words of Umberto Eco. His description of Urfascism is largely accepted by scholars and researchers on the subject:
Also, why the animosity ?
I'm using the scholar consensus and the words of a scholar who studied and fought fascism to explain what fascism is mate. Stay focus.
Again to understand how to recognize primitive fascism you can check for the words of Umberto Eco. His description of Urfascism is largely accepted by scholars and researchers on the subject:
Also, why the animosity ?
This only means that they used religion to their advantage. Imagine if they had fought religion in Germany and Italy? There would have been many internal conflicts, fascism and Nazism would have been less popular.
And not forget that both Hitler, the main thinkers and leaders of nazism, and even Mussolini were atheists.
It's important to note that the tradition worshipped, by nazis, wasn't a real tradition, just a myth of an aryan people that never existed mixed with mysticism, nostalgia for nordic and germanic culture and the social xarwinism of the time. Religious tradition was never the main focus.
And not forget that both Hitler, the main thinkers and leaders of nazism, and even Mussolini were atheists.
It's important to note that the tradition worshipped, by nazis, wasn't a real tradition, just a myth of an aryan people that never existed mixed with mysticism, nostalgia for nordic and germanic culture and the social xarwinism of the time. Religious tradition was never the main focus.