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You don't. There is no revolution possible against the far right. Simply because you will be annihilated.
That's called "accelerationnism". Its the belief that "people who voted for the far right will discover how bad the far right is and then start to vote for the left".
Its a dangerous and deeply flawed belief because its doesn't take into consideration that:
- The far right in power means that it will be the start of a chain reaction that NOONE will be able to stop unless there is a miracle. This is what I'm talking about here:
- It ignore the fact that the far right in power will annihilate the left
- It ignores the fact that once the far right is in power, it will NOT let it go !
I'm not a revolutionnary, not yet. I'm a reformist.
You are voting for a revolutionnary party. Which is cool. But the problem is that this party just made a HUGE political mistake by not giving clear voting directions to fight the far right.
When you are voting for a far leftist party and you don't understand why the far right is 1 000 000 times more dangerous for you than a centrist, you are losing your political compass.
Liberianism is a far right ideology.
- Its heavily reactionnary
- Its wants to deregulate capitalism to the maximum
- Its heavily meritocratic
Its a parrallel ideology to identitarism. A liberatarian country can fall into fascism without much resistance.
That's what you don't understand.
RN will be even MORE popular once in power.
Did you felt like Trump lost any popularity once in power ? Absolutely ZERO.
That's because people do not care about their own interest when they are defending the far right, they care about their racist politics ONLY. And once in power, the RN will manage to content ALL its voter:
- By applying more racist politics
- By creating propaganda about the opposition blocking their potential politics
- By blaming the institutions and the constitution from creating their politics.
In short, the far right in power will find all the reasons to be popular and once they gets rid or will attack the constitution and start to attack DIRECTLY all those people who voted for them, yes, those voters MIGHT understand (even if its not certain) but it will be too late to resist.
We already TRIED the far right before !! We had to call the Americans to get rid of it !!
That's called "accelerationnism". Its the belief that "people who voted for the far right will discover how bad the far right is and then start to vote for the left".
Its a dangerous and deeply flawed belief because its doesn't take into consideration that:
- The far right in power means that it will be the start of a chain reaction that NOONE will be able to stop unless there is a miracle. This is what I'm talking about here:
To create an allegory, this is what putting the far right in FULL power looks like in real life:
Each dominos is ones steps closer to fascism.
- The first domino will be the mastering of the mainstream press. With the far right in power, you can be sure the mainstream owned by billionnaires will align with the interest of the power since liberals won't be affected too much by a far right government.
- The second domino is the devaluation of the truth. We live in a world where information is far harder to fact check than it is to spread. The far right, because of their nature tend to FLOOD the informations and minds of people with so much lies and fake news that it will be impossible to fact check everything. The truth will lose its value. This is something that is already happening today. You just have to look at example like Trump, Macron or the RN in France.
- The third domino is the murder of the public press. With the mainstream media aligning to the POPULAR power. The public press will be pressured by all sides to stop the "liberal propaganda", population included, and because the far right think that the press should not be hold by the power and therefore should not spread information that favors the power, they will privatize of the public press.. Those stations will be bought by billionnaires that will.. logically align themselves with the interest of liberals or the far right power. As you can see, I'm talking about the public press as mainly defending the interest of liberals. A leftist press would be absolutely non existent, so you can expect the radicalization of the press and the public debate toward reactionnary agendas.
- The fourth domino is the radicalization of the rural masses. Yes, I'm talking about the radicalization of everyone who ALREADY voted for the far right in rural zone with little to no big access to internet. The reason behind that is the echo chamber created by the previous dominos. The absence of viable and truthfull informations and the absence of diversities in media, will push the media to radicalize themselves and this will in result push the population who watches those media to radicalizes themselves as well. We will start with journalists saying that migrants could be a potential danger for our villages to end with journalists saying that trans people are pedophiles, that black people who live in "no-go zones" are lazy, that psychically ill people - like me - are mostly faking their illness, that we must force poor people to work etc. andthe population will follow..
- The fifth domino is the radicalization of the politics. Because don't expect political people to be spared by the radicalization. Far right people are not people who follow science. They are mostly climatosceptics and do not accept the entierity of the scientific spectrum as legitimate. So if an echo chamber is created, you can expect far rightist political deputee to be radicalized the same way as other people or their own voters. In short, theirs own ideology will push them to radicalize themself. It literally like a spaceship going faster and faster in space because it has fuel and it is moving without resistance. The fuel of the far right is literally its own ideology and the more they will be in power the more radical and dangerous they will be. So you can expect worst and worst politics in EVERY domain. Politics they didn't even had to begin with.
- The sixth dominois the murder of the institution and the constitution. You guys have to understand that fascism hurt us SO BAD during the war because the constitution was ripped appart that a LOT of countries created a fail safe. They created institution to oppose or discuss any change to constitutionnal rights. Well, guess what. Some far rightist's main goal is to get rid of the institutions that could block them from creating their far right politics (such as the national preference in France for ex.). In France, with a majority or a referundum, the president could delete completely the constitutional counsil and destroy any resistance for their politics. They would have therefore free range to do what they want.
With the assemblee with a radicalized far right, without anyone to stop the far right from changing the constitution or applicate its politics, with a population that radicalize everyday more and more..
I give them less than 3 years to transform any country into a fascist one WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING IT.
Because as you can see, the only thing that is really intended here, is the ideology. EVERYTHING ELSE is a RESULT of said ideology. The far right in power without counter power would result in a majority completely OUT OF CONTROL from the people and the politic themself since those politics will be forced by their own situation and place to follow the train.
The ones who will resists even a little will be annihilated and will be left all the others who are not realizing that they are radicalizing themself more and more.
80 years ago, fascism did not appear because people wanted fascism. Fascism appeared because people didn't think about the consequences of their actions !
Each dominos is ones steps closer to fascism.
- The first domino will be the mastering of the mainstream press. With the far right in power, you can be sure the mainstream owned by billionnaires will align with the interest of the power since liberals won't be affected too much by a far right government.
- The second domino is the devaluation of the truth. We live in a world where information is far harder to fact check than it is to spread. The far right, because of their nature tend to FLOOD the informations and minds of people with so much lies and fake news that it will be impossible to fact check everything. The truth will lose its value. This is something that is already happening today. You just have to look at example like Trump, Macron or the RN in France.
- The third domino is the murder of the public press. With the mainstream media aligning to the POPULAR power. The public press will be pressured by all sides to stop the "liberal propaganda", population included, and because the far right think that the press should not be hold by the power and therefore should not spread information that favors the power, they will privatize of the public press.. Those stations will be bought by billionnaires that will.. logically align themselves with the interest of liberals or the far right power. As you can see, I'm talking about the public press as mainly defending the interest of liberals. A leftist press would be absolutely non existent, so you can expect the radicalization of the press and the public debate toward reactionnary agendas.
- The fourth domino is the radicalization of the rural masses. Yes, I'm talking about the radicalization of everyone who ALREADY voted for the far right in rural zone with little to no big access to internet. The reason behind that is the echo chamber created by the previous dominos. The absence of viable and truthfull informations and the absence of diversities in media, will push the media to radicalize themselves and this will in result push the population who watches those media to radicalizes themselves as well. We will start with journalists saying that migrants could be a potential danger for our villages to end with journalists saying that trans people are pedophiles, that black people who live in "no-go zones" are lazy, that psychically ill people - like me - are mostly faking their illness, that we must force poor people to work etc. andthe population will follow..
- The fifth domino is the radicalization of the politics. Because don't expect political people to be spared by the radicalization. Far right people are not people who follow science. They are mostly climatosceptics and do not accept the entierity of the scientific spectrum as legitimate. So if an echo chamber is created, you can expect far rightist political deputee to be radicalized the same way as other people or their own voters. In short, theirs own ideology will push them to radicalize themself. It literally like a spaceship going faster and faster in space because it has fuel and it is moving without resistance. The fuel of the far right is literally its own ideology and the more they will be in power the more radical and dangerous they will be. So you can expect worst and worst politics in EVERY domain. Politics they didn't even had to begin with.
- The sixth dominois the murder of the institution and the constitution. You guys have to understand that fascism hurt us SO BAD during the war because the constitution was ripped appart that a LOT of countries created a fail safe. They created institution to oppose or discuss any change to constitutionnal rights. Well, guess what. Some far rightist's main goal is to get rid of the institutions that could block them from creating their far right politics (such as the national preference in France for ex.). In France, with a majority or a referundum, the president could delete completely the constitutional counsil and destroy any resistance for their politics. They would have therefore free range to do what they want.
With the assemblee with a radicalized far right, without anyone to stop the far right from changing the constitution or applicate its politics, with a population that radicalize everyday more and more..
I give them less than 3 years to transform any country into a fascist one WITHOUT EVEN REALIZING IT.
Because as you can see, the only thing that is really intended here, is the ideology. EVERYTHING ELSE is a RESULT of said ideology. The far right in power without counter power would result in a majority completely OUT OF CONTROL from the people and the politic themself since those politics will be forced by their own situation and place to follow the train.
The ones who will resists even a little will be annihilated and will be left all the others who are not realizing that they are radicalizing themself more and more.
80 years ago, fascism did not appear because people wanted fascism. Fascism appeared because people didn't think about the consequences of their actions !
- It ignores the fact that once the far right is in power, it will NOT let it go !
I'm not a revolutionnary, not yet. I'm a reformist.
You are voting for a revolutionnary party. Which is cool. But the problem is that this party just made a HUGE political mistake by not giving clear voting directions to fight the far right.
When you are voting for a far leftist party and you don't understand why the far right is 1 000 000 times more dangerous for you than a centrist, you are losing your political compass.
Liberianism is a far right ideology.
- Its heavily reactionnary
- Its wants to deregulate capitalism to the maximum
- Its heavily meritocratic
Its a parrallel ideology to identitarism. A liberatarian country can fall into fascism without much resistance.
That's what you don't understand.
RN will be even MORE popular once in power.
Did you felt like Trump lost any popularity once in power ? Absolutely ZERO.
That's because people do not care about their own interest when they are defending the far right, they care about their racist politics ONLY. And once in power, the RN will manage to content ALL its voter:
- By applying more racist politics
- By creating propaganda about the opposition blocking their potential politics
- By blaming the institutions and the constitution from creating their politics.
In short, the far right in power will find all the reasons to be popular and once they gets rid or will attack the constitution and start to attack DIRECTLY all those people who voted for them, yes, those voters MIGHT understand (even if its not certain) but it will be too late to resist.
We already TRIED the far right before !! We had to call the Americans to get rid of it !!
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Say this to the anarchists
Reformists are the reason why the bourgeoisie always come to power. Reformists are a part of the bourgeois system as a security for capitalism to survive. You won't learn me politics. I was the one who sent you the sources about communism like 1-2 years ago.
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Reformists are the reason why the bourgeoisie always come to power. Reformists are a part of the bourgeois system as a security for capitalism to survive. You won't learn me politics. I was the one who sent you the sources about communism like 1-2 years ago.
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No, just a very specific far right system.
You think so ?
Well, listen to the guy
Libertarian and anarchism have similarities in the sence that they (mostly) want to get rid of the state or its influence. But in reality, they are opposed.
Anarchist believe in a classless society where capitalism is non existent. Liberatarian or anarcho libertarian believe in the opposite. They believe that capitalism must be deregulated to the maximum and implemented everywhere without restrictions.
This is why you might see libertarians become anarcho communist when they understand that capitalism is a problem.
You think so ?
Well, listen to the guy
Libertarian and anarchism have similarities in the sence that they (mostly) want to get rid of the state or its influence. But in reality, they are opposed.
Anarchist believe in a classless society where capitalism is non existent. Liberatarian or anarcho libertarian believe in the opposite. They believe that capitalism must be deregulated to the maximum and implemented everywhere without restrictions.
This is why you might see libertarians become anarcho communist when they understand that capitalism is a problem.
No, just a very specific far right system.
You think so ?
Well, listen to the guy
Libertarian and anarchism have similarities in the sence that they (mostly) want to get rid of the state or its influence. But in reality, they are opposed.
Anarchist believe in a classless society where capitalism is non existent. Liberatarian or anarcho libertarian believe in the opposite. They believe that capitalism must be deregulated to the maximum and implemented everywhere without restrictions.
This is why you might see libertarians become anarcho communist when they understand that capitalism is a problem.
You think so ?
Well, listen to the guy
Libertarian and anarchism have similarities in the sence that they (mostly) want to get rid of the state or its influence. But in reality, they are opposed.
Anarchist believe in a classless society where capitalism is non existent. Liberatarian or anarcho libertarian believe in the opposite. They believe that capitalism must be deregulated to the maximum and implemented everywhere without restrictions.
This is why you might see libertarians become anarcho communist when they understand that capitalism is a problem.
Yes. I agree. In a perfect world, we should aim to transform radically society into a classless and anticapitalistic one.
The problem is that the world, for now, is completely uninformed about the reality and the potential benefit of such a system. We live in a society that is far too subject to missinformation. That's why a revolution now is quasi impossible, our only option is to reform RADICALLY capitalist societies... and ONCE enough people are on the radical left side, we might think about a popular revolution.
I learn quickly.
And now, you are the one who needs to understand.
Letting the RN pass is political suicide.
Its sad, but not really surprising.
The problem is that the world, for now, is completely uninformed about the reality and the potential benefit of such a system. We live in a society that is far too subject to missinformation. That's why a revolution now is quasi impossible, our only option is to reform RADICALLY capitalist societies... and ONCE enough people are on the radical left side, we might think about a popular revolution.
I learn quickly.
And now, you are the one who needs to understand.
Letting the RN pass is political suicide.
Its sad, but not really surprising.
Thanks, I needed to add something
https://theconversation.com/intoler...=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1719774386
(this is in French, use google translate)
This is the state of the scientific researches on the political distinction between leftists and rightists.
https://theconversation.com/intoler...=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1719774386
(this is in French, use google translate)
This is the state of the scientific researches on the political distinction between leftists and rightists.
Way too risky and naive. A decade of far right will do no good at all. France will transform into countries like Turkey, Israel and Russia.
Stalling until the union of the left grows enough is the best way for now.
I hate it so much when he does that.
That mofo troll is trying to imitate Trump with his manners and attitude. People love arrogance so much
Stalling until the union of the left grows enough is the best way for now.
I hate it so much when he does that.
In one out of two comments I replied to that deranged individual above me remembering saying HE SHOULDN‘T ever reply to me yet he did it twice.
I am not responding to you, but I am going to paraphrase his comment, THE LEFT 30-40 YEARS AGO exactly did that.
The deranged left today is a useful idiot and military and militant arm for the elitist satanist agenda, which he is COMPLETELY SUPPORTING him.
I am not responding to you, but I am going to paraphrase his comment, THE LEFT 30-40 YEARS AGO exactly did that.
The deranged left today is a useful idiot and military and militant arm for the elitist satanist agenda, which he is COMPLETELY SUPPORTING him.