General & Others Fujitora vs Mihawk as conquerors
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he doesn't have to retcon anything we still await more info on ashura so that's always a thing we know it comes from zoro strong spirit all oda has to do is tie that with haki and something passed down and boom lol
1.No need to state anything when we have a panel of luffy saying this is my peak with haki leaking everywhere like never before.
2.Does not just deal with swordsmanship. If this was the case oda would not have given us the moment with drunk kaido. Kaido physical stats did not increase due to being drunk the only think that increased was his haki.
3,4,- Well thats fair it is your interpretation, from what i read and interpret the one with the superior haki wins the fight, and in the end luffy haki surpassed kaido haki and he won. Luffy to me does not win the clash unless his haki transcends kaido haki in that moment and for me especially with the belief that kaido started to doubt himself that is enough for luffy to win it.
1.No need to state anything when we have a panel of luffy saying this is my peak with haki leaking everywhere like never before.
2.Does not just deal with swordsmanship. If this was the case oda would not have given us the moment with drunk kaido. Kaido physical stats did not increase due to being drunk the only think that increased was his haki.
3,4,- Well thats fair it is your interpretation, from what i read and interpret the one with the superior haki wins the fight, and in the end luffy haki surpassed kaido haki and he won. Luffy to me does not win the clash unless his haki transcends kaido haki in that moment and for me especially with the belief that kaido started to doubt himself that is enough for luffy to win it.
so whats stopping that will that is passed down from being something coc realated ? Like i don't see how you can say oda wont retcon the whole system of haki etc but then think that roger had some other godly type ability that won't fit into what he already has in his story. If indeed it is some power it should fit into somethin we already have some familiarity with so for me that is something haki related.
Okay but he has Zoro who is a CoC user and Mihawk is his main target why not pay attention to that connection?
You either don't understand me or you don't want to understand me.
Just because you have a fruit doesn't preclude you from having CoC or being a gynetic freak of nature or having all of those things at the same time.
But Admirals currently don't have CoC despite the fact that we've seen enough fight scenes with them. That's not to say they don't have a chance at all to be conquerors or at least some of them but let's be honest they aren't great and the Admirals themselves aren't prime candidates for CoC.
Despite all of that they are recognized tiers in the OP world and are most hyped for their fruits albeit possessing good CoA and CoO.
Given that Mihawk is also a recognized top tier but is a mere human who doesn't have any fruit he is clearly an AdCoC user since we see a pattern that every other top tier like him (Shanks/Ray/Oden and ect) has it.
Okay I can agree that Mihawk could/could have had a bigger goal that he didn't achieve but that doesn't change the fact that:
1. Mihawk himself thinks he's sitting on top.
2. It's pretty explicitly stated in the story that WSS=King.
3. The Mihawk/Zoro and Roger/Luffy parallel.
If we take it further, we can assume that Roger also didn't achieve his bigger goal since he wasn't Joy Boy but he has CoC.
Just because Mihawk didn't become something more big doesn't negate the fact that he is already the King Swordsman and sits at the top.
It's simple.
You either don't understand me or you don't want to understand me.
Just because you have a fruit doesn't preclude you from having CoC or being a gynetic freak of nature or having all of those things at the same time.
But Admirals currently don't have CoC despite the fact that we've seen enough fight scenes with them. That's not to say they don't have a chance at all to be conquerors or at least some of them but let's be honest they aren't great and the Admirals themselves aren't prime candidates for CoC.
Despite all of that they are recognized tiers in the OP world and are most hyped for their fruits albeit possessing good CoA and CoO.
Given that Mihawk is also a recognized top tier but is a mere human who doesn't have any fruit he is clearly an AdCoC user since we see a pattern that every other top tier like him (Shanks/Ray/Oden and ect) has it.
Okay I can agree that Mihawk could/could have had a bigger goal that he didn't achieve but that doesn't change the fact that:
1. Mihawk himself thinks he's sitting on top.
2. It's pretty explicitly stated in the story that WSS=King.
3. The Mihawk/Zoro and Roger/Luffy parallel.
If we take it further, we can assume that Roger also didn't achieve his bigger goal since he wasn't Joy Boy but he has CoC.
Just because Mihawk didn't become something more big doesn't negate the fact that he is already the King Swordsman and sits at the top.
It's simple.
They didn’t come to the realization that they couldn’t achieve the one piece they straight up gave up on their original goals for years if not decades
Luffy had a moment of weakness but got back up and kept fighting for his dream. He didn’t give up and settle for less
Even someone like kid who people love to shit on refuses to break no matter how hard he is beaten he’s always ready to come back stronger and just as if not more determined
If they have it agin katakuri is likely a good comparison
Katakuri being a conqueror suppressing his true self and true desires wasn’t able to use his conquerors haki till he was being unapologetically himself
Same way Koby dreaming to become an admiral and having conquerors doesn’t actually mean all admirals have it as well
Also Zoro’s willpower and ambition > mihawk’s
The admirals powers have nothing to do with them being worthy conquerors or not
The admirals are
Giving up on a goal is a pretty big deal when it comes to conquerors. It’s not just a little thing
Yes mihawk is the wss and is strong
Roger never gave up on his dream he passes it on because he was to early
Mihawk gave up on his for decades
Luffy had a moment of weakness but got back up and kept fighting for his dream. He didn’t give up and settle for less
Even someone like kid who people love to shit on refuses to break no matter how hard he is beaten he’s always ready to come back stronger and just as if not more determined
If they have it agin katakuri is likely a good comparison
Katakuri being a conqueror suppressing his true self and true desires wasn’t able to use his conquerors haki till he was being unapologetically himself
Same way Koby dreaming to become an admiral and having conquerors doesn’t actually mean all admirals have it as well
Also Zoro’s willpower and ambition > mihawk’s
The admirals powers have nothing to do with them being worthy conquerors or not
The admirals are
- Not only extremely strong
- Extremely strong willed at least as much as mihawk
- Have ties connections and rivalries with conquerors
- Have someone who dreams to reach their level that has conquerors in Koby. Same way mihawk has zoro
Giving up on a goal is a pretty big deal when it comes to conquerors. It’s not just a little thing
Yes mihawk is the wss and is strong
Roger never gave up on his dream he passes it on because he was to early
Mihawk gave up on his for decades
Mihawk, he's basically confirmed aCoC user as the WSS and inferior swordsmen like Shanks Oden Ray Zoro all have it
If Fuji has CoC i doubt it will be ACoC. With his sword skill + OP devil fruit he makes a strong top tier + with base CoC. I also think only Akainu will be only marine aside from Garp to have ACoC so Oda differentiate him from the other admirals (they will all have awakening)
If Fuji has CoC i doubt it will be ACoC. With his sword skill + OP devil fruit he makes a strong top tier + with base CoC. I also think only Akainu will be only marine aside from Garp to have ACoC so Oda differentiate him from the other admirals (they will all have awakening)
Where does Koby have a panel similar to what Luffy/Zoro had?
And you're already claiming Koby has CoC even though it hasn't been confirmed anywhere?
Why?
And no Admiral is in any way connected to Coby and the only one who really has a connection to him out of the Marines is Garp who is suddenly a CoC user. It's funny.
Doesn't matter since they both share the desire to be WSS which is a kingly ambition.
Only 2 titles have had such treatment by the author are WSS and PK
You're trying too hard to squeeze Coby in here, who hasn't had any such panels and isn't even CoC user at the moment. You're too quick to jump to conclusions by your own standards to be honest.
And yes, Mihawk being a mere human without the fruit greatly increases his chances of AdCoC since the likes of him and his main past and future opponents have it. You're doing too much mental gymnastics here.
But he's still WSS and he didn't become one by accident.
He's not a total loser who has accomplished nothing in his life like you're trying to make him out to be lol. He's a recognized winner among swordsmen.
And we don't know what his big dream was so we can't say for sure how much that might affect him in terms of CoC user.
Not really. He did give up on the dream and passed it on since he couldn't fulfill it because he was born too early.
The only difference that might be with Mihawk is that he didn't passes his dream on to someone else (although that's still possible with Zoro).
And you're already claiming Koby has CoC even though it hasn't been confirmed anywhere?
Why?
And no Admiral is in any way connected to Coby and the only one who really has a connection to him out of the Marines is Garp who is suddenly a CoC user. It's funny.
Doesn't matter since they both share the desire to be WSS which is a kingly ambition.
Only 2 titles have had such treatment by the author are WSS and PK
You're trying too hard to squeeze Coby in here, who hasn't had any such panels and isn't even CoC user at the moment. You're too quick to jump to conclusions by your own standards to be honest.
And yes, Mihawk being a mere human without the fruit greatly increases his chances of AdCoC since the likes of him and his main past and future opponents have it. You're doing too much mental gymnastics here.
But he's still WSS and he didn't become one by accident.
He's not a total loser who has accomplished nothing in his life like you're trying to make him out to be lol. He's a recognized winner among swordsmen.
And we don't know what his big dream was so we can't say for sure how much that might affect him in terms of CoC user.
Not really. He did give up on the dream and passed it on since he couldn't fulfill it because he was born too early.
The only difference that might be with Mihawk is that he didn't passes his dream on to someone else (although that's still possible with Zoro).