[FNZ] Salem of Lies Return of the Throne (Unofficial)

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What’s the reasoning behind the vote?

And why should I listen to you and claim? Invest me yourself

And btw, bold claims are part of Flowa’s scum meta. So I wouldn’t put it past her a with a princess claim D1. No townie points from me in terms of that claim.
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This isn’t necessarily true. Players with important roles like The Prince or the Paladin/Sheriff shouldn’t be aggressive and painting a target on themselves
Why should I invest you when you can just claim?


Also, stop asking for counter claims, everyone. Princess is not unique. Countering me would not be a counter at all and it would out the other Princess as well if Drago put a second Princess into this game. Not liking this line of thinking from @Reborn .
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@Flower I see, still you could have gone a different route before dropping a claim right away.

@Reborn It was the same quote people were quoting about me being diplomatic. It was like people were arguing if it was or wasn't. It was very confusing.
Perhaps, but I fear people are just so paranoid from last game that everything I say would be twisted and spun around. Claiming was the best thing here. You can see some are still paranoid, despite the claim. Just think how they would have been had I not claimed.
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Actually, don't claim @Kiwipom . I think I know what you are.

Unvote.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
@Kiwipom

It just dawned on me that Flower once outright claimed Psychic in a ToS. She was scum and gambled it by taking charge of the risk and succeeded.

Psychic stands as a rather easy claim to skew, and so is Princess in ToL seemingly.
 

Melontonin

Blood Manipulation
So many quotes of my post with people wondering why I'm diplomatic I am so confused with what was going on while I slept.

Question fellow friends/mafia players when have you ever actually seen me go aggressive on people in the games I've played? It's just not my style. Its Day 1 and no one has been exactly scummy or not scummy. I'm not going to go crazy aggressive on someone for no reason because I just don't have it in me.

Also the beta being scummy is a joke/half serious because no matter what role beta gets. Town, mafia, whatever. His play is almost always going to come off as scummy. It's just how beta is, you can't really read much into what he is because he's comes off that way. He was town leader in the previous game and looked like the biggest scum :D It's simply making jest at his playstyle.

Did someone push flower to claim or did she just drop her claim like it aint no thang?
Seeing how a few players that have played with you think that you saying beta is scummy is indeed a joke, I think it's safe for me to believe it as well
 

Kiwipom

Ghost Princess
Something I would like to point out with AL is that he seems like he really wants to know what everyone thinks of him.
I believe we can find a scum among the people

I m including myself too

me
mind giving a somewhat detailed read on me and kiwi??
Imo town wouldn’t care so much on everyone’s opinion on them as long as they aren’t gonna get mislynched. Only scums needs to map out everyone’s stances to help with night actions
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Also, stop asking for counter claims, everyone. Princess is not unique. Countering me would not be a counter at all and it would out the other Princess as well if Drago put a second Princess into this game. .
You are worried about second princess outing herself but you didn't worry about outing yourself for no reason???
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prince
lanji
zara

these people are solid townies to me @Reborn

not much right??
Elaborate??
 

AL sama

Red Haired
Something I would like to point out with AL is that he seems like he really wants to know what everyone thinks of him.

Imo town wouldn’t care so much on everyone’s opinion on them as long as they aren’t gonna get mislynched. Only scums needs to map out everyone’s stances to help with night actions
its not about getting lynched

its about gathering reads

I m the leading wagon but I m not doing much about it as you can see
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
So several people putting me on their sus lists wasn't a reason to claim :seriously:?
Imo this day one... everyone is suspicious.

So if out of all, some people see you as suspicious then how come it became a valid reason to claim? It was not like there was vote wagon on you.

Why you didn't worry about outing yourself to scums if you are worried about Second Princess outing herself??
 
Imo this day one... everyone is suspicious.

So if out of all, some people see you as suspicious then how come it became a valid reason to claim? It was not like there was vote wagon on you.

Why you didn't worry about outing yourself to scums if you are worried about Second Princess outing herself??
Because if there was a second Princess there would be a second target for scums if she outed herself as well. Now only I'm a target. And we can plan actions accordingly like having a protect on me or a transporter. However, a second Princess if outed as well would require a second protect yadayadayada. You know exactly how messed up actions would be that way.
 

Melontonin

Blood Manipulation
Why did she claim exactly? I am still catching up to the thread, it's hard to do that while at work.
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Also, what kind of role is that? Is it unique or easy to claim?
"It is best to claim Princess when you play as The Seeker as your Gaze ability can help pass off as Flirting.
This was taken from The Seeker wiki. Flower could be a seeker pretending to be a princess. It's a common strategy however. Best to see what happens after people perform their night activities.
 
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Fallen Prince

Why did she claim exactly? I am still catching up to the thread, it's hard to do that while at work.
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Also, what kind of role is that? Is it unique or easy to claim?
Ya she claimed princess. Not sure i can believe her claim.
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"It is best to claim Princess when you play as The Seeker as your Gaze ability can help pass off as Flirting.
This was taken from The Seeker wiki. Flower could be a seeker pretending to be a princess. It's a common strategy however. Best to see what happens after people perform their night activities.
Where are you getting this info ? Is there wiki for this game ?
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
Because if there was a second Princess there would be a second target for scums if she outed herself as well. Now only I'm a target. And we can plan actions accordingly like having a protect on me or a transporter. However, a second Princess if outed as well would require a second protect yadayadayada. You know exactly how messed up actions would be that way.
See flower let me blunt with you.


You don't enjoy confirm town cred. No one enjoys confirm town cred on day one.

I already said that based on timing and with no counter claim she is likely to be princess.

But condition is with no counter claim.....


But your claim raises some problems....


1)it was totally unwarranted and you literally spoon fed scums that you are invest. This is problem especially when players can be converted and tomorrow we won't be having any idea whether conversion happened or not. And, if yes then who got converted?



2) your claim isn't unique. It's common and can be faked. The only way to confirm is to cross check if there is any counter claim and if yes then invest or scum hunt to see if both are speaking truth(as we can have two same roles in game) or one of them is.

Also, you diverted attention towards by claiming.

You have to see from town perspective and you know very well we are making sense.

Anyway, what's done is done.
 

Reborn

Throughout Heaven & Earth,I alone am d Honored One
"It is best to claim Princess when you play as The Seeker as your Gaze ability can help pass off as Flirting.
This was taken from The Seeker wiki. Flower could be a seeker pretending to be a princess. It's a common strategy however. Best to see what happens after people perform their night activities.
Until there is any counter claim, flower claim is likely to stand correct.


The timing speaks for itself.
 
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