Controversial Immigrants/Diaspora General Discussion Thread

[Logiko]

Why is the ultra Liberal/ liberal news outlets is not considered as leftist mainstream Media?

Because liberalism is the political ennemy of leftism.

You can have more information about why in the "leftist library" HERE

I suggest those contents:

To understand the difference between a liberal (idealist) and a materialist (leftist) point of view:

- [VIDEO] - Idealism VS Materialism - An overview of Materialism - Foundamentals of Marx - IMPORTANT

To understand why liberalism and leftism are opposites :

- [VIDEO] - What is liberalism and why it has NOTHING to do with the fact of being "woke" - IMPORTANT
- [VIDEO] - Leftism VS Liberalism or why liberalism is NOT leftism
- [ARTICLE] - Liberals, from a leftist point of view

To understand why the core ideology of liberalism (meritocracy) is problematic:

- [VIDEO] - Understanding the notions of capitals and the myth of meritocracy - IMPORTANT
- [VIDEO] - The American dream ? Its meritocracy - A con to control you
- [VIDEO] - Why meritocracy can't exist

 

[trav]

Immigrants are like guests at a house that expect to be treated like the owner of it.
0/10 would not recommend.

 

[Mathias]

Immigrants are like guests at a house that expect to be treated like the owner of it.
0/10 would not recommend.

No one owns a country except a dictator

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Because liberalism is the political ennemy of leftism.

You can have more information about why in the "leftist library" HERE

I suggest those contents:

To understand the difference between a liberal (idealist) and a materialist (leftist) point of view:

- [VIDEO] - Idealism VS Materialism - An overview of Materialism - Foundamentals of Marx - IMPORTANT

To understand why liberalism and leftism are opposites :

- [VIDEO] - What is liberalism and why it has NOTHING to do with the fact of being "woke" - IMPORTANT
- [VIDEO] - Leftism VS Liberalism or why liberalism is NOT leftism
- [ARTICLE] - Liberals, from a leftist point of view

To understand why the core ideology of liberalism (meritocracy) is problematic:

- [VIDEO] - Understanding the notions of capitals and the myth of meritocracy - IMPORTANT
- [VIDEO] - The American dream ? Its meritocracy - A con to control you
- [VIDEO] - Why meritocracy can't exist

TLDR?

 

[Xione]

The issue isn't immigration in isolation, the issue is immigration non-stop. Systems that are created at a certain set of population can't function the same when there is an increase in population enormously. Trying to run a country with a system meant for 100 mil, while the population triples it's size... is just not gonna work. You throw in immigration into that already existing problem, naturally it's going to make it worst.

Gang violence in the US hasn't been solved YET billions are spent on wars outside of the nation that we don't have direct participation in.
Homeless problem is on the rise YET we are accepting more people into the country through illegal means when not being able to take care of those already here.

You get the jest. Immigration on it's own in a vacuum is not an issue, rather the ideal world is where people can navigate freely throughout the world. But when you add context around the immigration that's when the problems start coming in and in many nations right now they would be better off closing borders and focusing on themselves... and their people.

 

[Afroking]

In many cases they do.

Many Immigrants are escaping instability, Political Persecution, discrimination etc

Do not care in the slightest when ,when they tresspass foreign countries and they are treated as maharajahs,while not getting assimilated in the slightest and cause turbulence in the security, justice system and economy of said countries.

Why should I care about their political persecution in their countries when the moment they enter the foreign country they often at that do stuff like these ?

Do you realise how daft that is?

And even if some first gen do assimilate on the outside considering how their offsprings grow up ,behave and act I would say there is no assimilation at all.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

they are treated as maharajahs

I promise you this isn’t true

 

[K!NG HARA$H!MA]

Do not care in the slightest when ,when they tresspass foreign countries and they are treated as maharajahs,while not getting assimilated in the slightest and cause turbulence in the security, justice system and economy of said countries.

Why should I care about their political persecution in their countries when the moment they enter the foreign country they often at that do stuff like these ?

Look, as a General rule people can apply asylum based on political persecution etc

But of course this system can be abused.


If they enter and commit violent crimes,

It's justifiable to say they need to get deported.


Then again, what is the % of people that do that? You could argue it's too many, but surely not the majority?

And even if some first gen do assimilate on the outside considering how their offsprings grow up ,behave and act I would say there is no assimilation at all.

Yes. This is deeper discussion.


The offsprings of the first Gens didn't not just integrate , they also become hyper identarian.

Even more hardcore nationalist than their people back home.

They can also vote in their origin countries elections, and they often back the right thing parties and vote left wing parties in the country they live in


Too many times also they export old age ethnic feuds to the Country they immigrated to.

 

[Medeia]

Look, as a General rule people can apply asylum based on political persecution etc

But of course this system can be abused.


If they enter and commit violent crimes,

It's justifiable to say they need to get deported.


Then again, what is the % of people that do that? You could argue it's too many, but surely not the majority?



Yes. This is deeper discussion.


The offsprings of the first Gens didn't not just integrate , they also become hyper identarian.

Even more hardcore nationalist than their people back home.

They can also vote in their origin countries elections, and they often back the right thing parties and vote left wing parties in the country they live in


Too many times also they export old age ethnic feuds to the Country they immigrated to.

Yeah you particularly see this with offsprings of turkish workers who arrived in Germany and other european countries such as Austria and Switzerland often many decades ago, so many end up so identarian and open for nationalist ideas that a big chunks been voting that autocrat Erdogan for 2 decades now (support is constantly bigger than among people who actually live in Turkey) and they are not a insignificant reason why that man is still in power after all these years.

Its why i dislike that people who don't live in said countries for often a long time or never lived in the homecountry of their parents/grandparents in the first place are able to vote and influence elections in those countries from abroad and its not just a issue for Turkey.

 

[Afroking]

Look, as a General rule people can apply asylum based on political persecution etc

But of course this system can be abused.


If they enter and commit violent crimes,

It's justifiable to say they need to get deported.


Then again, what is the % of people that do that? You could argue it's too many, but surely not the majority

Do you think only violent crimes is the problem?

Vor der lyen and Johansson have passed a number of social & welfare benefits just for existing..
Free housing,energy ,internet etc 3-4 hundreds of benefits for each member of your family.
Around 1800€ given to a family of 2+4 that offers nothing but just existing. And this amount to one of the poorest EU countries. Now imagine in richer with more benefits.

Heck in UK they pay them more depending on how many wives they have even though polygamy isn't allowed in Uk. But for them it is ok.

Can you comprehend the amounts of money and space that is given? Soros back in 2015 wanted a minimum of 1.000.000 immigrants to enter EU. NGOs pushes even more than that.

Can you understand how much higher this notion pushes rent prices along with the ultra capitalistic shit that is Airbnb?

I promise you this isn’t true

My guy you are American. I am talking mostly for EU. America hasn't been hit that hard from illegal immigration until recently. This is nothing compared 9 years (to say the least)of that in Europe..

US wasn't state funding the illegals that were coming in the country . Plus the biggest problem over there isn't that ,but the huge zombie population thanks to drugs and people with psychiatric problems.

In summary through the lax policies of the new world the western world is being destroyed.

Sodom and Gomorrah .

 

[Medeia]

Lol another guy who parrots the far-right bs about the western world getting destroyed by immigrants (great replacement theory") and gays + trans people, mentions even Sodom and Gomorrah like your typical religious fundamentalist lunatic, where are the mods to intervent with this blatantly obvious bigotry?

 

[Afroking]

Lol another guy who parrots the far-right bs about the western world getting destroyed by immigrants and gays + trans people, where are the mods to intervent with this blatantly obvious bigotry?

Look another guy who thinks whomever doesn't share his trash opinions is a far right zealot.

Actually think for once and read without binders for once.
Immigration ≠ illegal immigration without control.
Mentally unstable people ≠ gay

How many examples of this do you want?

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But ouga bouga he is far right for seeking right punishment and not taking in every scum of the earth.

Fuck off.


Sensitive topics but let's ban whatever we can't handle.

 

[Medeia]

Ah the Daily Mail, the newspaper that supported Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini in the 1930s and one of the most notoriously right-wing newspapers in the UK, but yeah sure you ain't far-right pilled and its just the others who somehow call everyone "not sharing your shit opinions" a zealot while continuing with their obvious bigotry to anyone who isn't totally gone into one side of extremism.

Always gotta love political extremists who think they are the victims while constantly spouting generalizing hatred to anyone that doesn't fit into their tight box of how humans and the world "should" be.

 

[Logiko]

TLDR?

You asked, and the answer is not a simple one.

where are the mods to intervent with this blatantly obvious bigotry?

The staff is "apolitical" meaning that it will not stop people from saying far right BS, unless they consider they go too far. Needless to say that it can go VERY far.

 

[Afroking]

Ah the Daily Mail, the newspaper that supported Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini in the 1930s and one of the most notoriously right-wing newspapers in the UK, but yeah sure you ain't far-right pilled and its just the others who somehow call everyone "not sharing your shit opinions" a zealot while continuing with their obvious bigotry to anyone who isn't totally gone into one side of extremism.

Always gotta love political extremists who think they are the victims while constantly spouting generalizing hatred to anyone that doesn't fit into their tight box of how humans and the world "should" be.

Yes yes , continue putting labels on everything when something doesn't fit your agenda. It was from Daily Mail so it is untrue. We must only preach what CNN says it is true. Do you actually refute that there is a sky rocketing increase in gangrapes and violence in the last decade?


Quite ironic how your second paragraph describes you to the T.


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Can you make an actual argument against the ghettos that have formed.. The gang violence that have risen in a past decade involving especially the illegal immigrants?
The economic benefits they get...
The special treatment they get from the judicial system ?

What far right narrative did I push?



Wanting true justice and liability and not wanting anarchy is deemed as far right to you.

 

[Logiko]

Yes yes , continue putting labels on everything when something doesn't fit your agenda.

Its crazy how the first moment a rightist doesn't understand why we call them a rightist or a far rightist its "you are putting labels on everything".

If I had been given 100 € each time someone said this to me here, I would be able to rent a flat for multiple years...

We label things because its necessary to stop disinformationg from spreading. Simple as that.

Can you make an actual argument against the ghettos that have formed.. The gang violence that have risen in a past decade involving especially the illegal immigrants?
The economic benefits they get...
The special treatment they get from the judicial system ?

What far right narrative did I push?

Poverty and insecurity comes from marginalization mate. This is the SIMPLEST sociological fact that everyone should understand and yet people like you miss the point.

 

[Medeia]

Its crazy how the first moment a rightist doesn't understand why we call them a rightist or a far rightist its "you are putting labels on everything".

If I had been given 100 € each time someone said this to me here, I would be able to rent a flat for multiple years...

We label things because its necessary to stop disinformationg from spreading. Simple as that.



Poverty and insecurity comes from marginalization mate. This is the SIMPLEST sociological fact that everyone should understand and yet people like you miss the point.

Thanks for replying, yet they're the first to come with "can you start making a actual argument" while all they do 24/7 is spreading misinformation and pure hatred like the scum they are. I'm inclined to put real effort in discussions with reasonable people and respecting their opinions (including conservatives), not supporters of fascists or stalinists/maoists who already were responsible for millions of deaths around the world in last century with the former on their way to repeat the same shit in pursuit of going back into a idealized fantasy version of the past.

Needless to say i'm blocking these types of people online, i'm never gonna meet these people in person and they're not relatives or friends showing signs of being sucked into this misinformation and hatred from the far-right. All constant engaging does is souring my day i could spent with things that make me happy while i still can before guys like him push pos into political power.

 

[Logiko]

Thanks for replying, yet they're the first to come with "can you start making a actual argument" while all they do 24/7 is spreading misinformation and pure hatred like the scum they are. I'm inclined to put real effort in discussions with reasonable people and respecting their opinions (including conservatives), not supporters of fascists or stalinists/maoists who already were responsible for millions of deaths around the world in last century with the former on their way to repeat the same shit in pursuit of going back into a idealized fantasy version of the past.

Needless to say i'm blocking these types of people online, i'm never gonna meet these people in person and they're not relatives or friends showing signs of being sucked into this misinformation and hatred from the far-right. All constant engaging does is souring my day i could spent with things that make me happy while i still can before guys like him push pos into political power.

Yup, gladly you won't have to deal with maoist and stalinist here, but there is a lot of far rightist and there are sometimes even fascist.

I have dealt with most of them in the political thread, but they might come back.

I still can't understand how those guys are able to read One Piece and not question themselves..

 

[Afroking]

Its crazy how the first moment a rightist doesn't understand why we call them a rightist or a far rightist its "you are putting labels on everything".

If I had been given 100 € each time someone said this to me here, I would be able to rent a flat for multiple years...

We label things because its necessary to stop disinformationg from spreading. Simple as that.



Poverty and insecurity comes from marginalization mate. This is the SIMPLEST sociological fact that everyone should understand and yet people like you miss the point.

You are putting labels because you want to discredit anything anyone says against your beliefs. Instead of people arguing the subject they try to throw shade along with appealing to emotion.

Which are the disinformation you speak of ?

You know why you say nonsense. Sweden is one of the most progressive countries with the most social and welfare benefits ,yet here we are turning whole cities into ghettos that you can't walk at night..with an alarming rate of increase in violence. So what marginalization you want to talk about ? What poverty ?
Poverty isn't something new nor are they suddenly the only ones affected by it.. Do you see all poor people around the world acting like this? I certainly don't.

If they act the same across a whole ass continent it isn't a marginalization problem ,it is a problem of their upbringing,which won't change by patting their head and letting them scotch free after each and every illegal activity of theirs.

 

[Xione]

Poverty and insecurity comes from marginalization mate. This is the SIMPLEST sociological fact that everyone should understand and yet people like you miss the point.

If your country already has an issue with poverty with the people who are already living there, and culturally that poverty is leading to increase in gang violence. Why would you welcome more people from other countries who are in poverty and increase that issue in your country? Should you not clean yourself up first before trying to accept others to clean them up?