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Luffy who was a complete fodder jumped right in front of them. He was one of their goals to kill or capture. Them as 3 top tiers failed to capture the fodder.

Instead of Insta-blitzing the fodder, they decide to use abilities in a 3vs1 which the said fodder counters. Then one of them kicks the said fodder away into middle of pirates where the fodder gets saved. Instead of yk.. pinning him down and shooting lasers through him or having his buddy insta freeze him or having his other buddy throw a giant magma punch.

Not to even mention the Sengoku mess with Luffy and him turning into the Buddha for a fodder.

Mihawk failing multiple times to tag the fodder and then even having to jump around to tag him.

And I can't but continously stress the word Fodder. And that's only the shit related to Luffy. There's plenty more non-sense like Saka not going for the Head with a giant magma punch and instead electing to penetrate Newgate's chest where he misses his heart...when Newgate couldn't move at all.

None of those moments realistically should've happened. Saka would've gone for a heads hot just like he did with Kuma or like he did at the end with Newgate. They would've instablitzed luffy just like Kuzan did in their intial meeting.

That arc is still by far the most stupid arc in terms of top tier stupidity.
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Saturn probably has to stay still in order to use his freezing power, if he moves around, he probably can't use it.

As for the eye attack, it's obviously not going to do that much to stronger fighters.
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Luffy who was a complete fodder jumped right in front of them. He was one of their goals to kill or capture. Them as 3 top tiers failed to capture the fodder.

Instead of Insta-blitzing the fodder, they decide to use abilities in a 3vs1 which the said fodder counters. Then one of them kicks the said fodder away into middle of pirates where the fodder gets saved. Instead of yk.. pinning him down and shooting lasers through him or having his buddy insta freeze him or having his other buddy throw a giant magma punch.

Not to even mention the Sengoku mess with Luffy and him turning into the Buddha for a fodder.

Mihawk failing multiple times to tag the fodder and then even having to jump around to tag him.

And I can't but continously stress the word Fodder. And that's only the shit related to Luffy. There's plenty more non-sense like Saka not going for the Head with a giant magma punch and instead electing to penetrate Newgate's chest where he misses his heart...when Newgate couldn't move at all.

None of those moments realistically should've happened. Saka would've gone for a heads hot just like he did with Kuma or like he did at the end with Newgate. They would've instablitzed luffy just like Kuzan did in their intial meeting.

That arc is still by far the most stupid arc in terms of top tier stupidity.
Realistically? No

But fictionally? Yes

If you want to read a fictional manga with realistic perspective then all you will get is disappointment.


Heck, it's called fictional for a reason.
 
Yes but it did not come at the cost of the Admirals looking imposing, they looked hella solid. Even that scene where Luffy was infront of them, they looked like menaces.

This is what I'm saying, we can't use plot as an excuse for characters losing their "aura"
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I dont care about aura lol, its such a childish way of seeing things. The Gorosei looked more then enough imposing to me bar Saturn and Ju Peter who did basically nothing lol.

Pumba basically having Lufyf who could keep Kizaru in check on the run with Giants in tow.
Mars who had Jimbei who faced the Admirals and Yonko shook at his Haki. And required a combo attack from Two Nikkas, Sanji and Franky to merely send away.
Venusjuro who cut off the entirety of the dome, who casually blocked Jimbei and Zoros combo attack, who demonstrated insane haki sparks while casually clashing with Zoro. While using no named attack.

He can do the same for Kizaru, he is immortal to the Strawhats. They can land attacks on him to stop him momentarily just like the gorosei. Yet they were not allowed to touch Kizaru, because Oda respects his speed wayyy too much for that to happen.
How can they stop him when their attacks pass through him lol.
 
I think you think Oda respects Kizaru too much for that, but I dont lol.


I know he would find a way which is what I said.


Kizaru had the Luxury to be fighting Luffy who was keeping him in check.

Against the Gorosei Luffy cant keep them in check, nobody can. So we have Oda who wants to portray them as these unstopable monsters but also not allow them to do shit to the straw hats and their friends which creates this narrative dissonance where Oda wants his cake and eat it too.

I hope you understand where Im coming from, and yes this does make them look bad in the eyes of the readers but the readers should be smart enough to know the Goroseis hands are literally tied lol. Oda made a bad writting choice and now the Goroseis portrayal is paying the price.


They looked imposing to me lol, I just knew they couldnt kill Luffy. Here I have people in the thread telling me the Gorosei are shit because they didnt kill Bonney, or because they didnt kill the straw hats. The double standard is very real lol.

Aokiji was stalled by Jozu, Kizaru was stopped by Marco, Akainu was stopped by Marco, then stopped by the Whitebeard pirates, then stopped by Crocodiles, etc all people much weaker then them but they were stopped or stalled.

Sure the straw hats are no Yonko commanders but they are the most plot protected people in the manga, and them stalling Saturn who isnt even focusing on them is fine. But people bashed Saturn for that.

Other then that nobody else could stop the Gorosei but Luffy himself with Ju Peter, and hes running from Warcury with the giants.

I feel like people are being a bit biased right now.
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Yes but it did not come at the cost of the Admirals looking imposing, they looked hella solid. Even that scene where Luffy was infront of them, they looked like menaces.

This is what I'm saying, we can't use plot as an excuse for characters losing their "aura"
I think that just comes down to subjective viewing of the situation bro.

Don't forget a huge portion if not majority thought at the time Admirals only had Marco level aura. With Sakazuki "maybe" being Yonko level.
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So they didn't see the intimidating aura that you felt.

With that said tho, I do agree tho Gorosei losing bit of the aura they had at their badass entrance.
 
I think that just comes down to subjective viewing of the situation bro.

Don't forget a huge portion if not majority thought at the time Admirals only had Marco level aura. With Sakazuki "maybe" being Yonko level.
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So they didn't see the intimidating aura that you felt.

With that said tho, I do agree tho Gorosei losing bit of the aura they had at their badass entrance.
Just like a hardcore Admiral fan like @ZenZu isnt seeing this loss of aura like you said plagued the Admiral fandom for years after Marineford.

I dont see this loss of aura for the Gorosei, its that simple lol.
 
Just like a hardcore Admiral fan like @ZenZu isnt seeing this loss or aura like you said plagued the Admiral fandom for years after Marineford.

I dont see this loss of aura for the Gorosei, its that simple lol.
I mean I saw their above Yonko aura. But the inferior fans didn't.
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Aura wise I think Gorosei by far have been the most intense aura characters in the series. Lower world top tiers don't compare ngl. Though I've had this opinion since the Reverie.
But some of the moments do leave a sour taste.
 

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I think that just comes down to subjective viewing of the situation bro.

Don't forget a huge portion if not majority thought at the time Admirals only had Marco level aura. With Sakazuki "maybe" being Yonko level.
:josad:
So they didn't see the intimidating aura that you felt.

With that said tho, I do agree tho Gorosei losing bit of the aura they had at their badass entrance.
Nah any neutral person seeing Akainu's MF run knew that man was a menace.

A lot of people can't separate their feelings from the character. Akainu was public enemy #1.

I still remember people crying plot armour when Akainu got back up from WBs final attack. They couldn't believe it.
 

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He would have been amazing if Coby hadn't dragged him to the bottom. I used to ship cobymeppo, but now Helmeppo has been turned into a devoted fan in order to somehow give Coby importance. It looks artificial and ridiculous.
I wouldn't say he's a devoted fan he's a devoted friend, the two of them began their military journey together, despite how they started they eat together, work together and train together every day Helmeppo wants to protect Koby's dream and he knows Koby as the potential to achieve that dream. Helmeppo knows deep down he won't live up to Kobys potential and he probably won't reach the same heights but it's not his strength or status that make him my favorite it's the way he learned that he doesn't have to rely on his father he doesn't have to live in his father's shadow or be like his father or cry to his father when he gets into trouble. Helmeppo is not only a true friend to Koby and everyone else at Sword he is a true man
 
I mean I saw their above Yonko aura. But the inferior fans didn't.
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I wont speak about what you saw brother, but I did see something similar. The manga would always speak about the Yonko and the Admirals hand in hand so I always saw them as relative lol.

Aura wise I think Gorosei by far have been the most intense aura characters in the series. Lower world top tiers don't compare ngl.
But some of the moments do leave a sour taste.
Yeah they do look otherwordly lol, Luccis face when Mars descended on him gave me chills. Also Jimbeis reaction to him and Zoros.
 
Ju Peter who did basically nothing lol.
I'm very suspicious on Ju Peter now, it is a bit weird how out of all the Gorosei, he is the only one that didn't get any major focus throughout Egghead.

Not just that but so far he has also been very quiet compared to the others.

Then you have his monster form being the only one not based on a Eastern Mythical Creature.

Some people have also compared Imu to Emperor Nero and Ju Peter to Saint Peter.

Pumba basically having Lufyf who could keep Kizaru in check on the run with Giants in tow.
Yep, against Kizaru, Luffy had no problem fighting him. But against Warcury with the help of Dorry and Brogy, they needed to run away once they realized they couldn't do anything to him.
 
Nah any neutral person seeing Akainu's MF run knew that man was a menace.

A lot of people can't separate their feelings from the character. Akainu was public enemy #1.
He literally said except Akainu being maybe Yonko level lol, so youre just reiterating his point.
I'm very suspicious on Ju Peter now, it is a bit weird how out of all the Gorosei, he is the only one that didn't get any major focus throughout Egghead.

Not just that but so far he has also been very quiet compared to the others.

Then you have his monster form being the only one not based on a Easter Mythical Creature.

Some people have also compared Imu to Emperor Nero and Ju Peter to Saint Peter.



Yep, against Kizaru, Luffy had no problem fighting him. But against Warcury with the help of Dorry and Brogy, they needed to run away once they realized they couldn't do anything to him.
Well he did save those Cipher Pol agents and secured the Seraphim lol.
 
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