At least Trebol has some badassery and I don't dislike his devil fruit, though I thought that it wasn't smart to make it a simple paramecia.

Vander Decken in comparison has nothing to back up his arrogance, and he's a pedo-creep.
Like i said tho. Vander Decken is a forgettable character. Doesnt do that much gets taken down by Hody. He is bad but nowhere near Trebol. We suffered his ass for 70 chapters.
 
In Orochis favour, his backstory is amazingly tragic and horrific at least. And he had an amazing fruit that he fucking wasted though. Also him blowing up the bridges and trying to blow up the Sunny was great. Also the sadistic shit he did to Killer and how effective getting Kanjuro on his side was for him. Kanjuro was the real fucking menace of Wano lol.
if Kaido actually trained Orochi he would have been a threat
 

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In Orochis favour, his backstory is amazingly tragic and horrific at least. And he had an amazing fruit that he fucking wasted though. Also him blowing up the bridges and trying to blow up the Sunny was great. Also the sadistic shit he did to Killer and how effective getting Kanjuro on his side was for him. Kanjuro was the real fucking menace of Wano lol.
Orochi is a great villain. I'll die on this hill lol
 
People like you have such a terrible habit of not taking accountability for your actions at all. Must be that "delusion".

You provoke and instigate on purpose then flee like rats with tails between your legs when called out on it.

At least I knew in the past I was being toxic and getting baited, that I've provoked others and was doing wrong. You knew exactly what you were doing and doubled down on it unashamedly.

Thats just an excuse for them to say what they really think and get away with it.

Spineless people will say what they really think but claim its a joke because it offends others and causes drama, because its too "edgy" and provocative.

"Its just bait hurr durr."

If it actually was bait, that makes them look even more pitiful imo, a really sad individual who needs a lot of help then.

Miserable people will make jabs at what makes others happy and try to chip them down and soon as they're called out, they run like the hills.
I agree, but still just chill out. Ain't ever that serious over a manga for kids and teens
Oh yes I should chill out
 

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Orochi is a great villain. I'll die on this hill lol
Yeah, not as a fighter or w/e, but as a conniving piece of shit coward with some actual sympathetic motivations, as in what a great villain should be regardless of strength, thats completely true.

As much as I sympathise with him over his backstory, he also chose to become something just as bad, no worse than what was done to him and his people. He became an even bigger monster, the Smiles being the biggest example of that or how he willingly executed Oden or what he did to Wano in general too.

Orochi is so comparable to evil rulers IRL too, fragile cowards who flex their insecurity onto the world with complete tyranny, relying on their small dick-tatorships to compensate for how afraid and vulnerable they really are.

What he did to Wano we're seeing worldwide constantly, every country has their own Orochi to some degree.

Orochi was nowhere near what I wanted him to be but he was a great villain in some ways. He was such a manipulative, two faced piece of shit who knew how to play others like a fiddle and he learned well from those 2 Kurozumi people who helped him too. He was a real force to be reckoned with, getting Kaido on his side for 2 decades whilst it lasted and getting Kanjuro to be so devoted to him to the point of sheer martyrism too.
 
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