Why is internet so toxic? Is Toxicity necessary?

#1
I've been meaning to talk about this for a long time, and maybe I'm not the best person to address it, but here it goes. I wasn't always into forums or other venues where I had to interact with random strangers. My first real exposure to this was after starting One Piece in 2017. I would search for things like Zoro's power level and Luffy's power level and encountered a lot of insults, name-calling, and other negative behaviors. Eventually, I joined Oro Jackson and got engulfed in it as well.

My very first post was pretty straightforward, as I wasn't used to this kind of environment. In real life, people generally don't talk like that, at least not adults—unless, I guess, we are in prison, where real-life toughness is necessary. I simply made a post saying Rayleigh is of similar power level to Roger and that Zoro won't be far behind Luffy by the end of the story. I also suggested that Eustass Kidd, Akainu, etc., wouldn't surpass Zoro by the story's end. Right off the bat, a famous Oro Jackson user responded with "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE," and I thought, "Okay, so that's how things work here."

Looking further into discussions about power levels or any topic where there could be an argument, I found toxicity, insults, and name-calling were rampant. What triggered me the most was probably that before joining Oro Jackson, I used to read posts by this very nice user named Cinera. I think he is still on the forum, and I have never seen him insult anyone. Yet, there were two users named LOGIA and Celestial Dragon who constantly insulted him. I felt that was an injustice. I thought I had to fight fire with fire, and, well, I probably became one of the most toxic users ever.

But the issue goes beyond just anime discussions. I've seen insults in UFC forums, bodybuilding forums, YouTube comments related to movies, WWE—anywhere there's discussion. Why does there have to be toxicity? Is it because people are releasing pent-up anger that they can't express in real life due to a lack of immediate consequences?

Here are some possible reasons for this online toxicity:
When people are anonymous, they feel less accountable for their actions. This can lead to behavior that they wouldn't exhibit in face-to-face interactions.

In real life, being rude or aggressive can lead to immediate repercussions. Online, the consequences are often delayed or non-existent.

People tend to join forums and communities that reinforce their existing beliefs. When everyone agrees, dissenting opinions can be met with hostility.

he online disinhibition effect makes people feel freer to express their true feelings and thoughts without the usual social filters.

In competitive environments, people may become aggressive to assert their dominance or protect their ego. Tribalism can also play a role, with fans of different characters or ideas defending their "side" aggressively.

What do ya'll think?
 
#3
People behind the screen feel protected, so they type any kind of stuff.
Is not only a matter of feel protected however: is not like if we'd constantly feel protected we would be a bunch of uncivilized barbarians.
People do not talk like this where face to face not because they don't feel protected but because they can see facial expressions and can hear the voice of the person they are talking too, this helps to remind there is a human like you that you are interacting with, who has thoughts respectable as yours. The tone of voice also helps to immediately understand the level of seriousness of the discussion.

Another factor is that often discussions on specific topic like anime, sports have place between friends, where there already is mutual respect, and ability to joke around, and to take things easy.

Some topics apparently unharmful can easly get toxic when discussing with a stranger and not a friend. At the exit of a stadium for example, after your club just badly lost a game, is very easy if you get in a discussion with some random fan who has a different opinion than you to get in a verbal fight, at least.
Then there are also certain topics that can get any discussion toxic, even with friends or family members. With topics like politics, fighting is almost inevitabile when there are different opinions.

Most of the time people who are toxic on the internet release inner anger/frustration that comes from their life. We have too much free time, if we use it on other stuff/hobby like go jogging, go to the gym, do yoga or whatever we would not need to release any anger. Instead we waste that energy on internet. So despite often not even realizing it we are already in a bad/frustrated mood when joining a discussion on online forum, hence why is easy to lose our cool and get toxic.


Ps:
We don't deserve Cinera.
 
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#4
Is it because people are releasing pent-up anger that they can't express in real life due to a lack of immediate consequences?
yes
When people are anonymous, they feel less accountable for their actions.
yes
Tribalism can also play a role, with fans of different characters or ideas defending their "side" aggressively.
yes
People do not talk like this where face to face not because they don't feel protected but because they can see facial expressions and can hear the voice of the person they are talking too, this helps to remind there is a human like you that you are interacting with, who has thoughts respectable as yours.
yes
 
#5
People behind the screen feel protected, so they type any kind of stuff.
Is not only a matter of feel protected however: is not like if we'd constantly feel protected we would be a bunch of uncivilized barbarians.
People do not talk like this where face to face not because they don't feel protected but because they can see facial expressions and can hear the voice of the person they are talking too, this helps to remind there is a human like you that you are interacting with, who has thoughts respectable as yours. The tone of voice also helps to immediately understand the level of seriousness of the discussion.

Another factor is that often discussions on specific topic like anime, sports have place between friends, where there already is mutual respect, and ability to joke around, and to take things easy.

Some topics apparently unharmful can easly get toxic when not discussing with a stranger and not a friend. At the exit of a stadium for example, after your club just badly lost a game, is very easy if you get in a discussion with some random fan who has a different opinion than you to get in a verbal fight, at least.
Then there are also certain topics that can get any discussion toxic, even with friends or family members. With topics like politics, fighting is almost inevitabile when there are different opinions.

Most of the time people who are toxic on the internet release inner anger/frustration that comes from their life. We have too much free time, if we use it on other stuff/hobby like go jogging, go to the gym, do yoga or whatever we would not need to release any anger. Instead we waste that energy on internet. So despite often not even realizing it we are already in a bad/frustrated mood when joining a discussion on online forum, hence why is easy to lose our cool and get toxic.


Ps:
We don't deserve Cinera.
@Cinera MY MAN
 

Saber

King of Knights
#6
I guess when you always have to deal with idiotic people in real life and pretend they are not idiots, there is nothing more liberating than being free to just give people like this a heartfelt "fuck you" here on the internet. Then, the people you deemed as idiots will feel free to insult you back and other people, and it all goes to shit. It's a pretty tempting cycle and though, yeah, not everyone gets absorbed by it, I've seen a lot of otherwise calm people going apeshit on the internet. Personally, I think it's fine as long as it doesn't become personal... it can even be fun in the end. But if it crosses the line between "you zorotard" and actual hate, that's where it becomes a real problem.
 
#8
It's necessary and should be protected.

People are right when they talk about 'keyboard warriors' or them not saying anything if they were facing IRL consequences. It's true that they probably wouldn't run their mouths as much. But that to me has always been the beauty of it. Being online was - for a very long time - the only place where true freedom of speech could be practiced. I prefer to know how people truly feel so I can navigate a way to either winning a debate or becoming true friends with them regardless. Censorship just creates more uncertainty and encourages people to gang up together.

It's been watered down now, but it's an important thing that shouldn't be lost.
 
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#10
Toxicity is a word for idiots. Its a rough tone. Thats it.
The internet gives people the chance to be themselves without a filter. You do not have to think about "what would the neighbours say?".
This is good and bad in some way.

Its not "toxic". You are just weak, is all.
Someone people can take it and do not mind, some can not. It does not bother me. This forum is pretty tame imo.
 
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#11
I would always prefer a forum where I have to read "toxic" shit all day that the pure unalterated passive aggressiveness of Reddit.
Toxicity is a word for idiots. Its a rough tone. Thats it.
The internet gives people the chance to be themselves without a filter. You do not have to think about "what would the neighbours say?".
This is good and bad in some way.

Its not "toxic". You are just weak, is all.
Someone people can take it and do not mind, some can not. It does not bother me. This forum is pretty tame imo.
And exactly. Stick and stones.


EDIT: Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
 
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#12
EDIT: Thanks for the gold kind stranger!
Since you guys requested it (they did not...)
Here is an update to my last post.

So, my wife found out that I was being mean on the internet. She took custody of our kids (I found out that I was not the father, but I still consider them my kids. Should have guessed after my vasectomy at the age of 14) and funko pops.
Anyways, womens rights, NATO is cool, I love Israel and Trump is destroying america.
Happy juneteenth!
 
#13
Since you guys requested it (they did not...)
Here is an update to my last post.

So, my wife found out that I was being mean on the internet. She took custody of our kids (I found out that I was not the father, but I still consider them my kids. Should have guessed after my vasectomy at the age of 14) and funko pops.
Anyways, womens rights, NATO is cool, I love Israel and Trump is destroying america.
Happy juneteenth!
I know how you feel, when my wife's son stole my switch i was kinda pissed too.
What i did is i told her and her bull that i refuse to keep watching them, see ifthey return me my switch.
ACAB and remember, trans rights are human rights.
 
#14
I've been meaning to talk about this for a long time, and maybe I'm not the best person to address it, but here it goes. I wasn't always into forums or other venues where I had to interact with random strangers. My first real exposure to this was after starting One Piece in 2017. I would search for things like Zoro's power level and Luffy's power level and encountered a lot of insults, name-calling, and other negative behaviors. Eventually, I joined Oro Jackson and got engulfed in it as well.

My very first post was pretty straightforward, as I wasn't used to this kind of environment. In real life, people generally don't talk like that, at least not adults—unless, I guess, we are in prison, where real-life toughness is necessary. I simply made a post saying Rayleigh is of similar power level to Roger and that Zoro won't be far behind Luffy by the end of the story. I also suggested that Eustass Kidd, Akainu, etc., wouldn't surpass Zoro by the story's end. Right off the bat, a famous Oro Jackson user responded with "GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE," and I thought, "Okay, so that's how things work here."

Looking further into discussions about power levels or any topic where there could be an argument, I found toxicity, insults, and name-calling were rampant. What triggered me the most was probably that before joining Oro Jackson, I used to read posts by this very nice user named Cinera. I think he is still on the forum, and I have never seen him insult anyone. Yet, there were two users named LOGIA and Celestial Dragon who constantly insulted him. I felt that was an injustice. I thought I had to fight fire with fire, and, well, I probably became one of the most toxic users ever.

But the issue goes beyond just anime discussions. I've seen insults in UFC forums, bodybuilding forums, YouTube comments related to movies, WWE—anywhere there's discussion. Why does there have to be toxicity? Is it because people are releasing pent-up anger that they can't express in real life due to a lack of immediate consequences?

Here are some possible reasons for this online toxicity:
When people are anonymous, they feel less accountable for their actions. This can lead to behavior that they wouldn't exhibit in face-to-face interactions.

In real life, being rude or aggressive can lead to immediate repercussions. Online, the consequences are often delayed or non-existent.

People tend to join forums and communities that reinforce their existing beliefs. When everyone agrees, dissenting opinions can be met with hostility.

he online disinhibition effect makes people feel freer to express their true feelings and thoughts without the usual social filters.

In competitive environments, people may become aggressive to assert their dominance or protect their ego. Tribalism can also play a role, with fans of different characters or ideas defending their "side" aggressively.

What do ya'll think?
People are cowards. That is it. There is nothing more to it.
 
#16
It's necessary and should be protected.

People are right when they talk about 'keyboard warriors' or them not saying anything if they were facing IRL consequences. It's true that they probably wouldn't run their mouths as much. But that to me has always been the beauty of it. Being online was - for a very long time - the only place where true freedom of speech could be practiced. I prefer to know how people truly feel so I can navigate a way to either winning a debate or becoming true friends with them regardless. Censorship just creates more uncertainty and encourages people to gang up together.

It's been watered down now, but it's an important thing that shouldn't be lost.
You can freely express yourself without being an ogre though... Cyberbullying is a thing and its very bad for teenagers. Not everything online should be tolerated.
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I’ll show you toxicity, how about this fist up your face tough guy
You wouldn't be saying that irl
 
#17
You can freely express yourself without being an ogre though... Cyberbullying is a thing and its very bad for teenagers
Yeah but things like 'cyberbullying' are not the same as people being allowed to express their opinion no matter what it is.

Cyberbullying is targeted harassment, they are going out of their way to damage a person psychologically, so of course that shouldn't be allowed. But more often than not, that's not what people are talking about when they say 'toxicity', they're usually referring to a single post on facebook and trying to get people fired because of it.
 
#18
I guess when you always have to deal with idiotic people in real life and pretend they are not idiots, there is nothing more liberating than being free to just give people like this a heartfelt "fuck you" here on the internet. Then, the people you deemed as idiots will feel free to insult you back and other people, and it all goes to shit. It's a pretty tempting cycle and though, yeah, not everyone gets absorbed by it, I've seen a lot of otherwise calm people going apeshit on the internet. Personally, I think it's fine as long as it doesn't become personal... it can even be fun in the end. But if it crosses the line between "you zorotard" and actual hate, that's where it becomes a real problem.
I agree with the alt
 
#19
I guess when you always have to deal with idiotic people in real life and pretend they are not idiots, there is nothing more liberating than being free to just give people like this a heartfelt "fuck you" here on the internet. Then, the people you deemed as idiots will feel free to insult you back and other people, and it all goes to shit. It's a pretty tempting cycle and though, yeah, not everyone gets absorbed by it, I've seen a lot of otherwise calm people going apeshit on the internet. Personally, I think it's fine as long as it doesn't become personal... it can even be fun in the end. But if it crosses the line between "you zorotard" and actual hate, that's where it becomes a real problem.
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