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[Xione]

Mihawk is still the WSS.

Those scenes are about the Warlords and subordinates former titles.

Oda doesn't want people to be confused by thinking he no longer has his WSS title.

Yup if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate, because Killer made the statement. Then you're more than welcomed to believe Mihawk is the WSS.


Mihawk fans use to berate Kaido fans as to his title not being the name tags...Oda who used to mention both him being a Warlord + WSS in his title tags... mentions only former warlord even when he was on his own.. He can easily still put "WSS Former Warlord" lol.

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But as I stated if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate on the seas, then yea Mihawk is truly the WSS based on the marine statement.

Post automatically merged: Jul 22, 2024

Actually scroll up. I addressed the other reason. Like I said in the same chapter the title still being used and they even brought a Yonkou involved in it to stamp how big of a title it is saying his skills even surpas him. The title is so crazy he got a bounty above his "Captain" and Luffy and BB previous bounty.

Then you had Kaido > Mihawk yes?

And the post you replied to wasn't addressed to you, the one directly addressed to you had 3 reasons, which I don't believe you replied to.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

Yup if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate, because Killer made the statement. Then you're more than welcomed to believe Mihawk is the WSS.


Mihawk fans use to berate Kaido fans as to his title not being the name tags...Oda who used to mention both him being a Warlord + WSS in his title tags... mentions only former warlord even when he was on his own.. He can easily still put "WSS Former Warlord" lol.

Spoiler

But as I stated if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate on the seas, then yea Mihawk is truly the WSS based on the marine statement.

Post automatically merged: Jul 22, 2024

Then you had Kaido > Mihawk yes?

And the post you replied to wasn't addressed to you, the one directly addressed to you had 3 reasons, which I don't believe you replied to.

All three titles were legit imo.

 

[Xione]

All three titles were legit imo.

So you had Kaido > Dracule?

 

[CbShadow]

Yup if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate, because Killer made the statement. Then you're more than welcomed to believe Mihawk is the WSS.


Mihawk fans use to berate Kaido fans as to his title not being the name tags...Oda who used to mention both him being a Warlord + WSS in his title tags... mentions only former warlord even when he was on his own.. He can easily still put "WSS Former Warlord" lol.

Spoiler

But as I stated if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate on the seas, then yea Mihawk is truly the WSS based on the marine statement.

Post automatically merged: Jul 22, 2024

Then you had Kaido > Mihawk yes?

And the post you replied to wasn't addressed to you, the one directly addressed to you had 3 reasons, which I don't believe you replied to.

If you can't understand the difference between Killer statement and that Marine statement that is your fault.

 

[Xione]

If you can't understand the difference between Killer statement and that Marine statement that is your fault.

Gotcha, you're just nitpicking what you want to count and what you don't. If you're not able to understand both are reputation statements and nothing more, not sure what logical discussion can be had.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

So you had Kaido > Dracule?

more like >= or ~
mihawk is still a god tier

 

[Xione]

more like >= or ~
mihawk is still a god tier

I gotcha, you're consistent on your logic for the statements then.

 

[CbShadow]

Gotcha, you're just nitpicking what you want to count and what you don't. If you're not able to understand both are reputation statements and nothing more, not sure what logical discussion can be had.

You are the one nitpicking. Thinking Mihawk may not be the WSS just because he hasn't included it in his title box lately. Not because we have evidence supporting he lost his title.

Mihawk's title was introduce us facts. Kaido's title was introduced as rumors. There's a difference between the two.

 

[Sword God Ryuma]

Yup if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate, because Killer made the statement. Then you're more than welcomed to believe Mihawk is the WSS.


Mihawk fans use to berate Kaido fans as to his title not being the name tags...Oda who used to mention both him being a Warlord + WSS in his title tags... mentions only former warlord even when he was on his own.. He can easily still put "WSS Former Warlord" lol.

Spoiler

But as I stated if you believe Kaido was the strongest pirate on the seas, then yea Mihawk is truly the WSS based on the marine statement.

Post automatically merged: Jul 22, 2024

Then you had Kaido > Mihawk yes?

1. Your making no sense because nowhere does Oda say Mihawk title is taken away

So you had Kaido > Dracule?

I got Kaido>Mihawk regardless, but Kaido never had the title box for that. That was Killer opinion. What you claiming is Oda randomly took Mihawk title away because it wasn't in a title box.

 

[Xione]

You are the one nitpicking. Thinking Mihawk may not be the WSS just because he hasn't included it in his title box lately. Not because we have evidence supporting he lost his title.

Mihawk's title was introduce us facts. Kaido's title was introduced as rumors. There's a difference between the two.

1st. I haven't nitpicked, hell I haven't even made a definitive claim for another swordsman over Mihawk.
2nd. Yes if you take title boxes serious as word of Oda, which 90% of the Mihawk fandom I know did, as that was constantly used against Kaido... then yes that is a legit reason. However, if you didn't... like me... then the title boxes don't matter. And the title boxes=/=Mihawk not having his reputation of the WSS. "Title" can't be lost even if there's another stronger character, unless that stronger character displays better feats than Mihawk to the world or outright kills him... That's how reputations work.
3rd. Yes it was introduced as facts, because it was in his title box everything his name box was shown. It now no longer is in his title boxes just as Kaido. WSP was never introduced as a rumor, you're confusing it with the WSC.

Post automatically merged: Jul 22, 2024

1. Your making no sense because nowhere does Oda say Mihawk title is taken away

I got Kaido>Mihawk regardless, but Kaido never had the title box for that. That was Killer opinion. What you claiming is Oda randomly took Mihawk title away because it wasn't in a title box.

1. And nowhere did I state Oda took away Mihawk's reputation....I specifically stated he's stopped using the WSS in his title boxes, and for people who took title boxes as Oda's word of law... that would be a legit reason to believe there will be another swordsman stronger than Mihawk... thus Zoro won't fight Mihawk. That doesn't mean Mihawk right now magically loses his reputation of WSS...

2. That wasn't Killer's opinion, he was stating what Kaido is known in the world as... The Strongest Pirate. Just as Brannew was stating what Mihawk is renowned as the WSS....

Bruhz do you even realize how the discussion started? Lol. Cause I still haven't shared my personal opinion on whether Mihawk is the strongest or not... so i'm not claiming anything.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Legit reasons =/= It 100% won't happen, simply reasons that are justified for why somebody thinks it won't happen.

It's all a guessing game, whether you think it will or think it won't.
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- That doesn't mean Mihawk will get his wish
- That doesn't mean Mihawk will get his wish
- That's in the vivre card, before Oda decided to remove his WSS title from his name titles.
pre-Reverie

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post-reverie

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Furthermore, vivre card is only applicable to people who care about supplementary material like that. For readers who solely care about the manga, that's a 100% legit reason to believe the fight won't happen.

Did you honestly just use a panel where in the same chapter oda confirms Mihawk as a former warlord and the wss with greater sword skill than shanks …. How does this support your argument in any way ?? All this stuff you are saying just seems like copium to me b

I think you're trying to argue whether he will kill him or not, I'm not really trying to argue whether he will or not. Simply gave you legit reasons that are justified by the narrative for why some fans believe the two won't fight. If you don't believe in them, sure go ahead. But claiming they're trolling or messing around is just false.

Until it happens, all future events are guesses... that's how the future works.

no my argument is that even in training him ,mihawk expects a fight from him. Even with being trained by him zoro expect to duel him and beat him to surpass him.

Luffy the Mc was there front and center he saw the loss of his first mate first hand by Mihawk… he understands the length to which Zoro went to achieve his goal… felt relief knowing that Mihawk spared his life. Mihawk himself wants to see those two luffy and Zoro again saying that they made a good team. Mingle you he want to see luffy after he learns what his goal is of pk.

u say all future events are guesses when oda does not and has not deviated from zoro fighting and surpassing the wss dracule Mihawk. The only way Zoro himself recognizes himself as wss is when he defeats Mihawk.

Zoro:From now to the day I beat HIM TO BECOME THE WSS. How can you see this and then think Zoro will achieve this goal any other way? This was said in front of Mihawk and luffy who both smirked and you sit here and say I’m the one making guesses

 

[Xione]

Did you honestly just use a panel where in the same chapter oda confirms Mihawk as a former warlord and the wss with greater sword skill than shanks …. How does this support your argument in any way ?? All this stuff you are saying just seems like copium to me b

no my argument is that even in training him ,mihawk expects a fight from him. Even with being trained by him zoro expect to duel him and beat him to surpass him.

Luffy the Mc was there front and center he saw the loss of his first mate first hand by Mihawk… he understands the length to which Zoro went to achieve his goal… felt relief knowing that Mihawk spared his life. Mihawk himself wants to see those two luffy and Zoro again saying that they made a good team. Mingle you he want to see luffy after he learns what his goal is of pk.

u say all future events are guesses when oda does not and has not deviated from zoro fighting and surpassing the wss dracule Mihawk. The only way Zoro himself recognizes himself as wss is when he defeats Mihawk.

Zoro:From now to the day I beat HIM TO BECOME THE WSS. How can you see this and then think Zoro will achieve this goal any other way? This was said in front of Mihawk and luffy who both smirked and you sit here and say I’m the one making guesses

Your claim: People who say Mihawk & Zoro won't fight are trolling/arent' serious.
I said: No they have legit reasons to believe that
You: Those aren't legit reasons because this ______________ is why Mihawk will fight Zoro

I mean ty for telling me why you think Mihawk will fight Zoro, but the discussion had nothing to do with why you think he'll fight Zoro or not. Rather if there was narrative reasonings to justify the case of Mihawk not fighting Zoro, which there is. Doesn't mean you or I need to believe in the said reasonings right now.

Just as there was reasonings to why ZKK wouldn't happen, however, people like myself sided with ZKK due to having our reasonings... and ZKK didn't happen.

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Admiral fans are creaming their pants only to get disappointed once again
They are sanji fans 2.0 never learn since the gb incident
Real ptsd

You do realize I'm an admiral supporter? Though the thread is about a Yonko Commander, not an admiral.

 

[ShadowStyle369]

Your claim: People who say Mihawk & Zoro won't fight are trolling/arent' serious.
I said: No they have legit reasons to believe that
You: Those aren't legit reasons because this ______________ is why Mihawk will fight Zoro

I mean ty for telling me why you think Mihawk will fight Zoro, but the discussion had nothing to do with why you think he'll fight Zoro or not. Rather if there was narrative reasonings to justify the case of Mihawk not fighting Zoro, which there is. Doesn't mean you or I need to believe in the said reasonings right now.

Just as there was reasonings to why ZKK wouldn't happen, however, people like myself sided with ZKK due to having our reasonings... and ZKK didn't happen.

Post automatically merged: Jul 22, 2024

You do realize I'm an admiral supporter? Though the thread is about a Yonko Commander, not an admiral.

lol I was on zkk as well but again that was a theory… narratively speaking there is no way for zoro to become the wss unless he defeats Mihawk…. That is from his own mouth in front of Mihawk and luffy. Yea I’m telling you why it will happen but what I am saying is simply based on the narrative…. U genuinely have to jump through loops to not get them to fight. Which if you think about it was us jumping through the loops to force zkk which didn’t happen

 

[Xione]

lol I was on zkk as well but again that was a theory… narratively speaking there is no way for zoro to become the wss unless he defeats Mihawk…. That is from his own mouth in front of Mihawk and luffy. Yea I’m telling you why it will happen but what I am saying is simply based on the narrative…. U genuinely have to jump through loops to not get them to fight. Which if you think about it was us jumping through the loops to force zkk which didn’t happen

There was nothing to force with ZKK, you could write essays on the amount of shit that was in Wano and pre-Wano + supplementary content for why ZKK was going to happen. All of it was narrative based, people weren't jumping around hoops trying to demean luffy or anything. From character statements to parallels to etc. But yea I was big sad about ZKK not happening.

Everything is a theory until it actually happens bro. I can with 100% certainty believe Fujitora will be Fleet Admiral, still nothing more than an assumption/theory until it actually happens.

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Haven't seen many zoro fans care about admirals for a while since the whole gb black blade embarrassment there was no reason to butt heads with them

is that so

 

[Franosuke]

is that so

Not that I approve of the quack doctor melting down all over this thread, but is it not warranted for Zoro fans to butt heads with admiral fans now that Lee’s last 4 threads have taken shots at Zoro or characters related to Zoro?

There is no inherent connection between Zoro/Mihawk and Admirals within the story, so I find it strange that these kinds of beefs become so heated

 

[LANJI CUCKSMOKE]

Not that I approve of the quack doctor melting down all over this thread, but is it not warranted for Zoro fans to butt heads with admiral fans now that Lee’s last 4 threads have taken shots at Zoro or characters related to Zoro?

it is 1100% warranted but acting like its not while having a back and forth throughout the thread is funny. if people are gonna act like they dont care , actually not care.

There is no inherent connection between Zoro/Mihawk and Admirals within the story, so I find it strange that these kinds of beefs become so heated

There doesnt have to be
No connection with zoro and BB erkan loves so much ....
No connection with zoro and big mom ndule loves so much ....

its coming from the fanbase not the characters with any relation to the other.

 

[Franosuke]

it is 1100% warranted but acting like its not while having a back and forth throughout the thread is funny. if people are gonna act like they dont care , actually not care.



There doesnt have to be
No connection with zoro and BB erkan loves so much ....
No connection with zoro and big mom ndule loves so much ....

its coming from the fanbase not the characters with any relation to the other.

That's true.

Honestly, you could probably fill up an entire psychology book with all the interactions that go on around here and the underlying origins behind each person's stances lmao

 

[mly90]

Not that I approve of the quack doctor melting down all over this thread, but is it not warranted for Zoro fans to butt heads with admiral fans now that Lee’s last 4 threads have taken shots at Zoro or characters related to Zoro?

There is no inherent connection between Zoro/Mihawk and Admirals within the story, so I find it strange that these kinds of beefs become so heated

He created 3 threads going after King Mihawk and Zoro since that chapter dropped all because Loda included admirals in that last panel @SkySanji and @Erkan12 behavior the grudge seems to run deep

 

[[No Name]]

People still talking about box titles when we had Momonosuke son of kinnemon in a box.