Speculations Sanji's BBP opponent still be weaker than King
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Lafitte can have a goofy aspect about him when Oda shows him more. Not all Sanji opponents are total clowns too: Kuroobi, and Jabra are examples. Anyways, I’m convinced that Lafitte is the next strongest after Shiryu. He just has this sinister aura. He threatened to kill Pizarro, a level 6 inmate:
He also threatened to kill Kuzan. He’s the only member that didn’t give a shit about an admiral’s small talk and went directly into scheming for the crew’s benefit.
He’s competent ever since pre-ts and Oda never made him a hypetool, I think he even had Soru during the fight with Ace. Notice the “zwip” sound effect:
If we don’t know that Shiryu will be Zoro’s opponent then it’d be easy to make an argument on why Lafitte could be the strongest. His fighting ability has been concealed by Oda for a long time and that’s why people just overlook his portrayal/aura.
He’s competent ever since pre-ts and Oda never made him a hypetool, I think he even had Soru during the fight with Ace. Notice the “zwip” sound effect:
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Lafitte can have a goofy aspect about him when Oda shows him more. Not all Sanji opponents are total clowns too: Kuroobi, and Jabra are examples. Anyways, I’m convinced that Lafitte is the next strongest after Shiryu. He just has this sinister aura. He threatened to kill Pizarro, a level 6 inmate:
He also threatened to kill Kuzan. He’s the only member that didn’t give a shit about an admiral’s small talk and went directly into scheming for the crew’s benefit.
He’s competent ever since pre-ts and Oda never made him a hypetool, I think he even had Soru during the fight with Ace. Notice the “zwip” sound effect:
If we don’t know that Shiryu will be Zoro’s opponent then it’d be easy to make an argument on why Lafitte could be the strongest. His fighting ability has been concealed by Oda for a long time and that’s why people just overlook his portrayal/aura.
He’s competent ever since pre-ts and Oda never made him a hypetool, I think he even had Soru during the fight with Ace. Notice the “zwip” sound effect:
For example:
Luffy is a DF merchant who heavily relies on his ability - facing anti-DF merchant with ability to neutralize DF-based attacks.
Zoro is a man who can cut everything - facing a guy who has no body to be cut, the anti-swordsman.
Sanji's powers are heat based - logically should be countered by the guy whose ability is cold.
The same will apply to all other Strawhats - their BBPs pairings will, one way or another, have direct counters to their abilities.
Lafitte is in no way a direct counter to Sanji's abilities, he is more of a Brook match-up...
Shiryu is invisible, but his body is still solid, he can be cut. Jozus diamond devil fruit would make more sense for that comparison.
Kuzan is still a mystery and could betray at any time. If he leaves, then the next strongest is either Lafitte or Pizzaro.
Lafitte is still mysterious and he could end up being anything from:
Weak trio (Nami's opponent as navigator)
Mid Trio (Brooks opponent (Cane weapon, Angel Df, West Blue)
Wings: Sanji's opponent (Chief of Staff, Angel DF, portrayal makes him look stronger than the other original members).
Kuzan is still a mystery and could betray at any time. If he leaves, then the next strongest is either Lafitte or Pizzaro.
Lafitte is still mysterious and he could end up being anything from:
Weak trio (Nami's opponent as navigator)
Mid Trio (Brooks opponent (Cane weapon, Angel Df, West Blue)
Wings: Sanji's opponent (Chief of Staff, Angel DF, portrayal makes him look stronger than the other original members).
I was talking strictly about a PL perspective and gave out the reason why I think Lafitte is the 2nd strongest member. Kuzan is not a real BBP, he will at some point show his true motives and his plot will be tied to a 3rd party (SWORD members for example). Your direct counter theory is a bit too complicated, I don’t see any direct counters for the other SHs.
Direct counters thematically can happen such as the case with Usopp and Auger. Usopp is a cowardly sniper as opposed to Auger’s calm and fearless bravado. Lafitte is an evil manipulator and controls other people like a puppeteer. Sanji has been controlled by Judge and is conflicted about accepting what he is. Lafitte is the perfect opponent when it comes to playing with his inner turmoil.
Direct counters thematically can happen such as the case with Usopp and Auger. Usopp is a cowardly sniper as opposed to Auger’s calm and fearless bravado. Lafitte is an evil manipulator and controls other people like a puppeteer. Sanji has been controlled by Judge and is conflicted about accepting what he is. Lafitte is the perfect opponent when it comes to playing with his inner turmoil.
It is certainly interesting and possible match-up, perhaps too much against Jinbe.
I think the more likely pairing is with Sanjino and the contest will be who can push their abilities further.
Can Sanjino heat up more than Kuzan can cool it down...
If Kuzan leaves/betrays BBPs we will have to re-adjust pairings but I would still treat them the same - direct counters of SHs.
And I don't see a direct counter to Sanji among BBPs aside from Kuzan.
Also, Shiryu's invisibility is the basic ability, his purpose is not to re-use what Abasalom already has shown.
His purpose is to do something new with it and the only way to counter a guy who can cut everything is by becoming Nothing.
Isnt it obvious with Luffy vs Blackbeard and Zoro vs Shiryu?
It will apply to other Strawhats as well.
BBPs are unique in that they are challenging the core abilities of Strawhats.
Blackbeard nullifies Luffy's DF-based attacks which is literally 99% of them.
Shiryu prevents Zoro from doing what Zoro does primarily - cutting.
Sanji's core ability is heat. Cold is the perfect counter, IMO.
Usopp's sniping skills are directly challenged by Augur's Warping.
All others will have their primary ability countered too.
Messing with Sanji's mind is an old trick and not really challenging his combat ability...
I think the more likely pairing is with Sanjino and the contest will be who can push their abilities further.
Can Sanjino heat up more than Kuzan can cool it down...
If Kuzan leaves/betrays BBPs we will have to re-adjust pairings but I would still treat them the same - direct counters of SHs.
And I don't see a direct counter to Sanji among BBPs aside from Kuzan.
Also, Shiryu's invisibility is the basic ability, his purpose is not to re-use what Abasalom already has shown.
His purpose is to do something new with it and the only way to counter a guy who can cut everything is by becoming Nothing.
Isnt it obvious with Luffy vs Blackbeard and Zoro vs Shiryu?
It will apply to other Strawhats as well.
BBPs are unique in that they are challenging the core abilities of Strawhats.
Blackbeard nullifies Luffy's DF-based attacks which is literally 99% of them.
Shiryu prevents Zoro from doing what Zoro does primarily - cutting.
Sanji's core ability is heat. Cold is the perfect counter, IMO.
Usopp's sniping skills are directly challenged by Augur's Warping.
All others will have their primary ability countered too.
Messing with Sanji's mind is an old trick and not really challenging his combat ability...
Less counter, but the ability to remove an advantage of their straw hat opponents:
Luffy vs Blackbeard - Blackbeards fruit erases Luffys
Zoro vs Shiryu - Shiryus fruit can make Zoro incapable of finding his swords after he disarms him
Sanji vs Lafitte - Lafittes hypnotism can make Sanji perceive Lafitte as a woman and make it impossible for him to go on the offensive
Usopp vs Van Augur - Van Augurs fruit makes it impossible for Usopp to keep him at a distance
San Juan Wolff vs Franky - Sanjuan dwarfs Frankys biggest robot, the boost Franky gets from the shogun disappears
Vasco Shot vs Jinbe - Alcohol dries out water and would nerf Jinbes strongest techniques
I’m sure once we discover more about the powers of Stronger, Doc Q, and Devon their matchups will make sense as well.
Luffy vs Blackbeard - Blackbeards fruit erases Luffys
Zoro vs Shiryu - Shiryus fruit can make Zoro incapable of finding his swords after he disarms him
Sanji vs Lafitte - Lafittes hypnotism can make Sanji perceive Lafitte as a woman and make it impossible for him to go on the offensive
Usopp vs Van Augur - Van Augurs fruit makes it impossible for Usopp to keep him at a distance
San Juan Wolff vs Franky - Sanjuan dwarfs Frankys biggest robot, the boost Franky gets from the shogun disappears
Vasco Shot vs Jinbe - Alcohol dries out water and would nerf Jinbes strongest techniques
I’m sure once we discover more about the powers of Stronger, Doc Q, and Devon their matchups will make sense as well.
Robin vs Devon.
The theme is not 100% about countering, more like it is overcoming weakness / trauma.
The reason Oda made Robin heard Saturn's voice during Ohara incident is to trigger her childhood trauma. Devon changes her face to Saturn and have mind game with Robin.
The moment Kuzan pulling his haki punches it is all over for Sanji.
But not for this beast
Sanji's counter is dr. Q.
dr. Q turns Sanji into woman and he is easily distracted, trying not too hurt his woman body.
Bon Clay 2.0 not gonna work again on same Sanji. The one will use that tactic is Devon using Saturn face to scare Robin.
Robin having stronger will than Sanji, will overcome that too.
But what will happen on Sanji's fight is not changing the enemy's face again.
It is changing Sanji to woman, and Sanji being a dumbass he is, will be affected by this.
dr. Q has this power.
The theme is not 100% about countering, more like it is overcoming weakness / trauma.
The reason Oda made Robin heard Saturn's voice during Ohara incident is to trigger her childhood trauma. Devon changes her face to Saturn and have mind game with Robin.
The moment Kuzan pulling his haki punches it is all over for Sanji.
But not for this beast
Sanji's counter is dr. Q.
dr. Q turns Sanji into woman and he is easily distracted, trying not too hurt his woman body.
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Bon Clay 2.0 not gonna work again on same Sanji. The one will use that tactic is Devon using Saturn face to scare Robin.
Robin having stronger will than Sanji, will overcome that too.
But what will happen on Sanji's fight is not changing the enemy's face again.
It is changing Sanji to woman, and Sanji being a dumbass he is, will be affected by this.
dr. Q has this power.
Sanji vs Lafitte is my dream match up since BBP's introduction.
Couldn't care less about power levels when Oda's been quite clear on where Sanji's opponents stand. And even less about what people who simply don't like Sanji think when they let their bias speak for themselves.
If you wanna die on the "King>EoS Sanji" hill, be my guest. Your delusion does very little, but I hope you can enjoy the story in whatever way fits you.
Couldn't care less about power levels when Oda's been quite clear on where Sanji's opponents stand. And even less about what people who simply don't like Sanji think when they let their bias speak for themselves.
If you wanna die on the "King>EoS Sanji" hill, be my guest. Your delusion does very little, but I hope you can enjoy the story in whatever way fits you.
The moment Kuzan pulling his haki punches it is all over for Sanji.
But not for this beast
But not for this beast
This would be the new low for Sanjino...
Cold/Ice is a natural environment and Lunarians arent bothered by it one bit.
I would love Jinbo to clap Kuzan but I want one proper fight for Sanjino. Is it too much to ask for, Topi-chin...
This would be the new low for Sanjino...
Cold/Ice is a natural environment and Lunarians arent bothered by it one bit.
This would be the new low for Sanjino...
Cold/Ice is a natural environment and Lunarians arent bothered by it one bit.
