Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zemmi]

My sentence was clear and logical. There was nothing wrong with it

> Our existence is something that everyone can be sure about
> The future path is not something that a child can be sure about

Now, you apply that to gender since gender is literally a similar feeling to the concept of existence and you will understand how a kid can feel like the opposite gender and why we should support them instead of trying to control them.

Simple, logical.





Its crazy.. the more I talk with people here, the less I have the impression to talk with adults capable of understanding reasonnable sentences..

What did you fail to understand in what I said ?

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying you weren't logical. Kids aren't logical.

Kids have emotional breakdowns when you tell them they can't be a princess or in my child's case it was 1st a Mermaid and her next one was a vampire. They aren't good at reality and fantasy.

Even older teenagers can be convinced of a reality that isn't real.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

My sentence was clear and logical. There was nothing wrong with it

> Our existence is something that everyone can be sure about
> The future path is not something that a child can be sure about

Now, you apply that to gender since gender is literally a similar feeling to the concept of existence and you will understand how a kid can feel like the opposite gender and why we should support them instead of trying to control them.

Simple, logical.

But that's the thing. If they can switch up and believe they're the opposite gender, how can they be sure they won't switch up again?
Children aren't certain about things like that, especially when compared to adults. Wouldn't it be best if they put all that on hold until they were more mature and understood what they really want and believe?

Its crazy.. the more I talk with people here, the less I have the impression to talk with adults capable of understanding reasonnable sentences..

Well, then, I would tell you to make sure your glass house doesn't fall down.

What did you fail to understand in what I said ?

You clearly claim children can't be sure about some things, but then claim they can be sure about their gender, somehow?

 

[Logiko]

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying you weren't logical. Kids aren't logical.

First, when we grow up even as kids, we are sure about our existence, just like we are sure about our gender. In fact you proved this very thing to me yesterday.

Second:

Yes, kids aren't always logical. Unless when they start to break a bone and start crying and at that moment, you know that there is something wrong and their suffering is real.

Right ?

Well gender disphoria has the same effect but on mental health. In fact, its much more dangerous and insidious.

So instead of trying to question what I say because - I understand the push - everyone is trying to do the same thing, why don't you type "gender disphoria" on google and look at all the potential effect it can have on a person ?

You are a reasonnable person, so I'm sure you will do the right thing.

But that's the thing. If they can switch up and believe they're the opposite gender,

No one can "switch up" mate.

Gender is not a switch you pull. Its something that you feel in your bones. UNLESS you are gender fluid and in this case its the pull that is in your bone, but in this case there are no problems.

how can they be sure they won't switch up again?

Because that's not something that happens unless you literally violent a kid into thinking that they need to switch up again !

Just ask yourself. Did you EVER felt like you were the opposite gender as a kid ?

No, right ?

Well those kid have the SAME CERTAINTY, but rather them being sure they are their assignated gender, they are the opposite !

You clearly claim children can't be sure about some things, but then claim they can be sure about their gender, somehow?

Yes. because there are some things and knowledge that are not related to the development or the fact of being adult.

The knowledge of gender and the conscience of the existence are such things

Children aren't certain about things like that, especially when compared to adults. Wouldn't it be best if they put all that on hold until they were more mature and understood what they really want and believe?

Ok.. I will try to be the as calm as possible and try to bring you the translation of what you are trying to say:

- When you say to a kid with gender disphoria "Wouldn't it be best if they put all that on hold until they are more mature ?"

- Its like if you were saying to someone with a literal blade in his stomack : "Wouldn't it be best if they put the operation on hold until they are more mature ?"

What you need to understand is that BOTH situation have the same potential lasting effect : DEATH

> One because of a physical injury
> One because of a mental suffering

So, when you are saying "Wouldn't it be best if they put all that on hold until they are more mature"

You are literally asking children to endure their suffering until they are mature enough to make the descision to take a treatment for themselves.

 

[Roo]

isn’t the science behind transitioning kids highly debated to the point where governments are even backing away from it? For a guy who loves to taunt science he sure doesn’t give a fuck when it comes to transgender people lol

 

[minamoto]

You misunderstood me. I wasn't saying you weren't logical. Kids aren't logical.

Kids have emotional breakdowns when you tell them they can't be a princess or in my child's case it was 1st a Mermaid and her next one was a vampire. They aren't good at reality and fantasy.

Even older teenagers can be convinced of a reality that isn't real.

i feel like i know u before🤔..

 

[Zemmi]

You realize both democrats and republicans said this way before now. They might be psychics who knows but both sides said this was going to happen from the primaries where, they didn't allow other democrats properly challenge Biden for the nominee bid. Therefore since they ran out any challengers some democrats feel the choice of who to vote for has been stolen from them. Now they were just handed one, that no one even voted for in 2020. It's not hard to see why some feel betrayed.

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i feel like i know u before🤔..

Because you do lol

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isn’t the science behind transitioning kids highly debated to the point where governments are even backing away from it? For a guy who loves to taunt science he sure doesn’t give a fuck when it comes to transgender people lol

Yes very liberal countries have made it illegal from what I understand.

 

[Roo]

You realize both democrats and republicans said this way before now. They might be psychics who knows but both sides said this was going to happen from the primaries where, they didn't allow other democrats properly challenge Biden for the nominee bid. Therefore since they ran out any challengers some democrats feel the choice of who to vote for has been stolen from them. Now they were just handed one, that no one even voted for in 2020. It's not hard to see why some feel betrayed.

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Because you do lol

The incumbent never gets primaried, it was the same with Trump in 2020. The democrats who wanted primaries are actual retards who do not need to be given the light of day

now that Biden is out his Vp, aka his admin is continuing the campaign. It is the natural extension of the incumbent

 

[Zemmi]

The incumbent never gets primaried, it was the same with Trump in 2020. The democrats who wanted primaries are actual retards who do not need to be given the light of day

I think the major difference is people wanted another choice besides Biden and they were told no. I'm not sure how 2020 went for Trump, so it might've happened there too and people wanted someone else by a large majority like they did this year with Biden. I will try to look into that.

 

[Roo]

I think the major difference is people wanted another choice besides Biden and they were told no. I'm not sure how 2020 went for Trump, so it might've happened there too and people wanted someone else by a large majority like they did this year with Biden. I will try to look into that.

I’m sure never trump republicans wanted someone else too

 

[Zemmi]

I’m sure never trump republicans wanted someone else too

What I am saying is a vast majority of people. From what I read just now in 2020, Trump won more votes in the 2020 primary than any other republican candidate before him. With 18 million votes, of the 19.3 mill cast

2024 Biden received 14.465 mill, out of 16.6 mill cast. With the most uncommitted votes of all time I believe, someone can fact check that if they want of over 700k

I think it's obvious there was more support for one than the other.

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@Roo or anyone who has opinion does it bother any of you how the Democrats have attacked Kennedy and are even making attempts to keep him off of states ballots?

 

[Roo]

What I am saying is a vast majority of people. From what I read just now in 2020, Trump won more votes in the 2020 primary than any other republican candidate before him. With 18 million votes, of the 19.3 mill cast

2024 Biden received 14.465 mill, out of 16.6 mill cast. With the most uncommitted votes of all time I believe, someone can fact check that if they want of over 700k

I think it's obvious there was more support for one than the other.

So the majority of the party wanted Biden, but we should primary him because of less than a million losers?

you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Anyways like I’ve said, Kamala is an extension of Biden. Biden dropping out of the candidacy is in no way a coup and it’s ridiculous right wing people are even implying it is

 

[Zemmi]

So the majority of the party wanted Biden, but we should primary him because of less than a million losers?

you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Anyways like I’ve said, Kamala is an extension of Biden. Biden dropping out of the candidacy is in no way a coup and it’s ridiculous right wing people are even implying it is

It's not just the right wing, that is what I'm telling you. Democrats were even saying they were doing this until Biden dropped out. Some who don't roll with a machine still are.

 

[Roo]

It's not just the right wing, that is what I'm telling you. Democrats were even saying they were doing this until Biden dropped out. Some who don't roll with a machine still are.

There’s 0 relevant democrats who are saying this, and the one who are are like Brianna Joy Gray, brain dead losers you can’t appease

 

[Logiko]

isn’t the science behind transitioning kids highly debated to the point where governments are even backing away from it?

Not really no.

There might be some debate about the treatments to prescribe, some trans people might be able to inform you better than me on the subject, but not on the importance of those transition or treatment/gender affirming care.

Yes very liberal countries have made it illegal from what I understand.

Which goes against basic human rights of trans people. This is a problem that LGBTQI+ activist are denouncing.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

No one can "switch up" mate.

Gender is not a switch you pull. Its something that you feel in your bones. UNLESS you are gender fluid and in this case its the pull that is in your bone, but in this case there are no problems.

Yes they can. They are literally switching genders. You're making this a matter of whether it's a choice or not, and it is not. They just randomly switch up and believe they're the opposite gender.
So with that in mind, how can they be certain they wouldn't want to go back to their original gender?

Because that's not something that happens unless you literally violent a kid into thinking that they need to switch up again !

Just ask yourself. Did you EVER felt like you were the opposite gender as a kid ?

No, right ?

Well those kid have the SAME CERTAINTY, but rather them being sure they are their assignated gender, they are the opposite !



Yes. because there are some things and knowledge that are not related to the development or the fact of being adult.

The knowledge of gender and the conscience of the existence are such things

How so? Again if they could change genders in the first place I'm certain it's possible for them to do it again.

Ok.. I will try to be the as calm as possible and try to bring you the translation of what you are trying to say:

- When you say to a kid with gender disphoria "Wouldn't it be best if they put all that on hold until they are more mature ?"

- Its like if you were saying to someone with a literal blade in his stomack : "Wouldn't it be best if they put the operation on hold until they are more mature ?"

What you need to understand is that BOTH situation have the same potential lasting effect : DEATH

> One because of a physical injury
> One because of a mental suffering

So, when you are saying "Wouldn't it be best if they put all that on hold until they are more mature"

You are literally asking children to endure their suffering until they are mature enough to make the descision to take a treatment for themselves.

Oh my god Logiko. There is a huge distance between being stabbed in your stomach and fucking bleeding out, and not knowing what gender you are
It's mental suffering, sure, but comparing it to the pain of dying as your guts fall out is fucking crazy man

 

[Reborn]

So the majority of the party wanted Biden, but we should primary him because of less than a million losers?

you realize how ridiculous that sounds? Anyways like I’ve said, Kamala is an extension of Biden. Biden dropping out of the candidacy is in no way a coup and it’s ridiculous right wing people are even implying it is

It's not a coup.

But it was definitely on the cards and was going on behind the scenes for a quite time otherwise in just few days pulling this isn't possible


As I was saying to someone, Biden was just the figure head..a puppet. Harris and co were pulling strings from the behind the scenes and moment it became clear to them Biden has no chance of winning they immediately cut that head off.

 

[Roo]

Not really no.

There might be some debate about the treatments to prescribe, some trans people might be able to inform you better than me on the subject, but not on the importance of those transition or treatment/gender affirming care.

Eh I’m pretty sure is a highly debated topic in the medical field. I ldgaf what some random trans person has to say unless they’re experts in said field

Anyways I think stuff like that should be handled by 3 parties, the doctor the parents and the child. Let the experts and the affected parties handle it

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It's not a coup.

But it was definitely on the cards and was going on behind the scenes for a quite time otherwise in just few days pulling this isn't possible

Welcome to politics where back room deals is 99% of the policy making

As I was saying to someone, Biden was just the figure head..a puppet. Harris and co were pulling strings from the behind the scenes and moment it became clear to them Biden has no chance of winning they immediately cut that head off.

Breaking news: presidents are figure heads. Or do you honestly believe Trump wrote his entire policy agenda?

 

[Reborn]

Eh I’m pretty sure is a highly debated topic in the medical field. I ldgaf what some random trans person has to say unless they’re experts in said field

Anyways I think stuff like that should be handled by 3 parties, the doctor the parents and the child. Let the experts and the affected parties handle it

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Welcome to politics where back room deals is 99% of the policy making


Breaking news: presidents are figure heads. Or do you honestly believe Trump wrote his entire policy agenda?

Having kitchen cabinet or others to frame policy agenda is different from being a puppet.

 

[Roo]

Having kitchen cabinet or others to frame policy agenda is different from being a puppet.

Biden being a puppet is a baseless conspiracy. The man might be old but he’s not brain dead

 

[Reborn]

Biden being a puppet is a baseless conspiracy. The man might be old but he’s not brain dead

No one said brain dead but there is a phrase - mentally incapable for the office.