Did Enma have Oden's haki in it?


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Boundman ~ Snakeman when both aren't using adhaki (adcoc, adcoa)
Snakeman is no where comparable to boundman in terms of offence or defence. Boro breath had snakeman ragdolled through out onigashima only to be stopped when luffy used boundman.

Kata was taking repeated hits from snakeman but one hit from boundman pushed him back much further. Kizaru blocked adv coc less snakeman which both Marco and King can also block imo.
 
With Kizaru unexpectedly survived and isn't conclusively defeated then the Admiral match ups in the future is gonna be interesting
Both Zôro and Sanji have a shot at fighting Kizaru, but leaving Fujitora to anyone else other than Zoro feels wrong.
Greenbull could fight Jinbei since GB's entire theme is racism and Jinbei fucking hates racism.
 
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Boundman ~ Snakeman when both aren't using adhaki (adcoc, adcoa)
Easy: Kizaru explicilty said that the Snakeman was strong that he understood why Luffy had beaten Kaido.
Now, as agenda driven as one might be, saying this comment refers to some WC level Snakeman or even less than that (idk if you meant without FS too) Is between laughable and borderline sad.

On the other hand, there Is absolutely no visual indicator for AdvCoA or FS, so it's impossible to say from visuals he used or didn't use It.

To summarize: we have a dialogue hinting that the Snakeman was far stronger than just his WC counterpart and no proof that this Isn't true, aside agenda of course.
 
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Easy: Kizaru explicilty said that the Snakeman was strong that he understood why Luffy had beaten Kaido.
Now, as agenda driven as one might be, saying this comment refers to some WC level Snakeman or even less than that (idk if you meant without FS too) Is between laughable and borderline sad.

On the other hand, there Is absolutely no visual indicator for AdvCoA or FS, so it's impossible to say from visuals he used or didn't use It.

To summurize: we have a dialogue hinting that he Snakeman was far stronger than just his WC counterpart and no proof that this Isn't true, aside agenda of course.
Lol no

Current G4 without adcoa/adcoc is merely >= WCI G4

If Luffy used adcoa, Kizaru would be getting damaged despite his guard since adcoa affects internally.
Unless you think Kizaru can stop adcoa from hurting him when he couldn't stop it once Luffy used adcoc and adcoa WITH WHITEstar gun
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Zoro a fraud

Oda spelled it
Everything he did on the roof was because of Enma lending him power

Zoro on his own won't scar Kaido even if he used Yoru
Zoro without enma >= Jack level at best
 
Lol no

Current G4 without adcoa/adcoc is merely >= WCI G4

If Luffy used adcoa, Kizaru would be getting damaged despite his guard since adcoa affects internally.
Unless you think Kizaru can stop adcoa from hurting him when he couldn't stop it once Luffy used adcoc and adcoa WITH WHITEstar gun
Imagine comparing Snakeman + AdvCoA when was actually blocked to a headshot (not blocked) of one of the strongest techiniques of G5+ AdvCoA + AdvCoC

And no, Kizaru Is a barrier Expert so he wouldn't have been. It's the point of using the barrier.
 
I say it's forced cause it doesn't make sense.
Coby started from a level weaker than kid Luffy, 10 year old Luffy! I can buy him becoming strong maybe like 10 years into the future in epilouge, but not at current timeline.

His persona also doesn't fit a conqueror's haki user at all, which would be a requirement if he has to become a DF-less top tier.
Coby is also a massive Luffy fanboy

Imagine Garp being Alvida's bitch slave and giga fanboying Roger. Pathetic.

Smoker on the other hand, was THE marine antagonist of Luffy for the entire pre timeskip. He was stronger than Luffy for the entirety of the pre TS, has displayed very high will power (first marine shown the actively go against the marine orders), and has the demeanor fitting of the series' marine antagonist.
His progression to being the leading figure of marine rebellion would've been very organic and natural narrative progression of the character.
That make no sense he has been training his ass off for 2 years plus with a top tier.
Getting stronger faster is a given, look at how fast all these other characters grow and he as the persona of hard worker which fit a conqueror haki user.
Law went from get unfair from don to fighting a yonko in 2 weeks .
Him being a luffy fan boy did not stop coby from trying to fight him at marineford where he awaken haki even before we see smoker use it at even younger age than luffy .
Plus as we can see you can be rivals and try kill each other and still be friendly etc etc as seen from Roger and Garp or WB and Roger .

Also smoker don't have the balls to be the marine rebellion leader , he did not even bother to call them out during marineford which coby did when he notice how blood hungry they were .
He him self said he could not ge the warlord system destroy like fuji did and here we are once again having coby show back bone giving up him self for all those marines .
Still at the end of the day smoker could have never been luffy main marine antagonist and neither will be coby when Akainu there and luffy might not even fight him since Imu there for the WG .
 
Imagine comparing Snakeman + AdvCoA when was actually blocked to a headshot (not blocked) of one of the strongest techiniques of G5+ AdvCoA + AdvCoC

And no, Kizaru Is a barrier Expert so he wouldn't have been. It's the point of using the barrier.
Except luffy didn't use adcoa vs Kizaru
No proof of g4 using ryuo even against kizarun

Did you even see black lightning ? No
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Admiral feats:







Then we have Kizaru.


Given his treatment in Wano, I thought Greenbull gonna be the weak link among the Admirals. Until Egghead Kizaru happened.
Lucci isn't admiral level
Stop the madness

He couldn't even land a move on G5 Luffy and was down after 3 basic moves

He also didn't match non serious g5 like kizaru did
 
With Kizaru unexpectedly survived and isn't conclusively defeated then the Admiral match ups in the future is gonna be interesting
Both Zôro and Sanji have a shot at fighting Kizaru, but leaving Fujitora to anyone else other than Zoro feels wrong.
Greenbull could fight Jinbei since GB's entire theme is racism and Jinbei fucking hates racism.
Fuji is their ally he wont fight them. Even wemt against Ryokugyu to free the slaves.
 
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