Character Discussion Why aren’t One Piece villains as iconic and memorable as Naruto/DBZ villains?
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Agreed. Also sucks how pretty much everything else outside the Doffy/Law dynamic and plot was lackluster at best. It's telling how besides Doffy and Law, the thing people praise the most about the arc was Senor Pink's simple backstory that I personally found to be generic as hell.
Edit: Oh and of course Fuji and Zoro cutting Golem Pica. Still rather concerning these few things are the most memorable stuff in an arc as long as Dressrosa.
Edit: Oh and of course Fuji and Zoro cutting Golem Pica. Still rather concerning these few things are the most memorable stuff in an arc as long as Dressrosa.
Because aside from the ending, Naruto is a much better manga, with much better villains, much better design, and much better writing, I'd say that even the villains from the Naruto fillers have more quality than One Piece's.
Comparing OP's villains to Naruto's is like comparing Card Captor Sakura to Vagabond lmfao.
Comparing OP's villains to Naruto's is like comparing Card Captor Sakura to Vagabond lmfao.
Issue with major arc Naruto villains is they always flip, they don't stand on business at all. Can hardly call them villains by the end of their stories...if it were here and there it's one thing, when nearly every major villain is on some emo sob story and has a change of heart, I stop taking the entire thing seriously.
Which is why Hidan and Kakuzu are goated to me, such a breath of fresh air. Fuck your feelings, come catch these hands we got money to make.
Which is why Hidan and Kakuzu are goated to me, such a breath of fresh air. Fuck your feelings, come catch these hands we got money to make.
Think One Piece's problem with bloated arcs starts right there in Dressrosa and mostly due to everything surrounding the Grand Fleet's build up and creation. Trimming the fat leaves us with the single most charismatic and fleshed out villain in the series as antagonist, the introduction of one of the best post-time skip characters in Fujitora and what I, for one, consider a fairly solid arc specific conflict with Kyros' struggle.
I am still wondering how on Earth Oda managed to screw up so completely and disastrously with Kaido and Big Mom.
One thing is sure I would have not included Yamato, or at least not that way, and certainly not made the Scabbards and secondary Supernovas to be able of injuring Kaido in the first place, as well as explored Kaido's past and relations with his crew far more that Oda did.
One thing is sure I would have not included Yamato, or at least not that way, and certainly not made the Scabbards and secondary Supernovas to be able of injuring Kaido in the first place, as well as explored Kaido's past and relations with his crew far more that Oda did.
I feel the opposite in that he wants to end the series as quick as he can. I mean, the dude only sleeps three hours at a time, any more money is just gonna go to waste if he freaking dies prematurely.
Hey, remember Kaguya appearing out of nowhere like four chapters before the end of the series? Yeah, good writing my ass.
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Hey, remember Kaguya appearing out of nowhere like four chapters before the end of the series? Yeah, good writing my ass.
Kurama, Zabuza, Gaara, Itachi, Sasori, Nagato, Obito etc. I can't comfortably call any of these dudes villains by the time of their deaths/last appearance. These are nearly all of the major Naruto villains, in order.
Even Orochimaru is doing laundry like a housewife these days.
No amount of nostalgia can trick me into believing Kishi did a good job with villains, the dude hardly wrote any villains.
Even Orochimaru is doing laundry like a housewife these days.
No amount of nostalgia can trick me into believing Kishi did a good job with villains, the dude hardly wrote any villains.
I'm gonna start some shit here, and say Naruto's world-building is absolute dogshit. And the first sign of it was Orochimaru, who instead of merely being a rogue shinobi who has a small, but elite clan of mercenaries, is instead the king of his own country. Then, you have the Akatsuki, which is like if the Islamic State only consisted of 10 dudes. But then it really falls completely apart at the Kage Summit.
So, Naruto's world is theoretically based around the time of the Warring States or Edo Period, of feudalistic provinces controlled by Daimyo, with a theoretical Shogun and/or Emperor, right?
Wrong! At this point, these supposedly small elite villages hidden away are the de-facto capitals of the Lands, and the Hokage the de-facto ruler of said lands, with the Shinobi being the entirety of a Land's army.
And then there's the Shinobi World War, where both sides have about 100,000 people....and in the first day, both lose about half their entire forces. Not even the worst slaughter in WW1 ever saw 50,000 causalities in ONE DAY.
So, Naruto's world is theoretically based around the time of the Warring States or Edo Period, of feudalistic provinces controlled by Daimyo, with a theoretical Shogun and/or Emperor, right?
Wrong! At this point, these supposedly small elite villages hidden away are the de-facto capitals of the Lands, and the Hokage the de-facto ruler of said lands, with the Shinobi being the entirety of a Land's army.
And then there's the Shinobi World War, where both sides have about 100,000 people....and in the first day, both lose about half their entire forces. Not even the worst slaughter in WW1 ever saw 50,000 causalities in ONE DAY.
But when Orochimaru was a villain, he was an absolute nightmare. He left a very big impression on me when I saw him for the first time, trouncing Naruto and Sasuke, as well as causing the latter to be paralyzed with fear for a time and leaving his mark on Sasuke, and giving me nightmares the night after.
No One Piece antagonist has given me an impression anywhere near as strong and deep as him, nor inspired fear to me, as early Orochimaru has.
No One Piece antagonist has given me an impression anywhere near as strong and deep as him, nor inspired fear to me, as early Orochimaru has.
