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It has nothing to do with closing plot threads. The threads you guys are speaking of can be closed in a short period of time.

How many of Wano chapters proactively handed out info? Oda spends chapter after chapter to build up secondary characters. That is why the arcs Post-Ts are so big.

But we won't be needing any secondary character post-Wano. Vegapunk, RHPs and BBPs are all primary players and they won't need ridiculous amount of chapters for readers to feel something for them.

Post-Wano, we won't need the nonsensical plot stagnation for so-called character build up. Post-Wano OP is likely to have a different pacing to pre-Wano OP.
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That would be possible if there were enough antagonists left. When a war wages on for 100 years, the players change and only the ideology remains.

So, to continue a war for a few years is doable, but it requires a large number of antagonist battalions. Oda could've actually done this to be honest.

He could've gone from Shichibukai, to Yonkou, to Marines, to the WG itself. That would've spread the war over a long period. He could've made it dynamic too: for example, while Straw hats are fighting a Shichibukai, Oda could've shown Revolutionaries fighting somewhere else. Oda could've mixed up the story antagonist line up from one Shichibukai to one Yonkou to a Marine group or any other combination.

That could've worked. But he didn't. And honestly, it wouldn't have felt engaging for many if say...we saw Zoro achieve his goal halfway through the story.
Yeah but you are speaking of what "can" happen instead of what "normally" happens. When has Oda every shortchanged major plotlines? Arc that have big plots or tons of characters are almost always huge in retrospect. Dressrosa was a 100 chapters because it dealt with 14 villains and 20 different arc protagonists. Wano is poised to be 150+ dealing with almost 60 major characters.


There is no precedent set for Oda "going quick". It never has happened. Thus its better to assume he will make the final arcs the biggest arcs because they will deal with the most characters/most important plotlines. Its very typical of Oda.
 
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Yeah but you are speaking of what "can" happen instead of what "normally" happens. When has Oda every shortchanged major plotlines? Arc that have big plots or tons of characters are almost always huge in retrospect. Dressrosa was a 100 chapters because it dealt with 14 villains and 20 different arc protagonists. Wano is poised to be 150+ dealing with almost 60 major characters.


There is no precedent set for Oda "going quick". It never has happened. Thus its better to assume he will make the final arcs the biggest arcs because they will deal with the most characters/most important plotlines. Its very typical of Oda.
You are missing the point. When Oda needs reader to connect with the secondary characters, he keeps prolonging the story (the old principle of extended exposure). And why does he want readers to connect/understand secondary characters? To produce an emotional feelings for the struggle of the specific island.

After Wano, there are most likely no secondary characters (save Loki, if he ever appears). All the players are primary players with global outreach.

So, Oda doesn't need to keep prolonging the story to make the readers delve deeper into the island. Because the island stories are basically over. It will be a global story from now on (except Elbaf, if it ever appears, that will be an island story).

A global story can delve directly into plot. And I have never seen Oda take so much time with the plot. He takes time to reach the plot, but he tells the plot itself quite quickly.
 
You are missing the point. When Oda needs reader to connect with the secondary characters, he keeps prolonging the story (the old principle of extended exposure). And why does he want readers to connect/understand secondary characters? To produce an emotional feelings for the struggle of the specific island.

After Wano, there are most likely no secondary characters (save Loki, if he ever appears). All the players are primary players with global outreach.

So, Oda doesn't need to keep prolonging the story to make the readers delve deeper into the island. Because the island stories are basically over. It will be a global story from now on (except Elbaf, if it ever appears, that will be an island story).

A global story can delve directly into plot. And I have never seen Oda take so much time with the plot. He takes time to reach the plot, but he tells the plot itself quite quickly.
That is totally wrong though. He spent many chapters on Law who isn't a "secondary" character. He spends time characterizing villains, like Doflamingo, who long existed before his arc. Blackbeard, Im, Akainu and Shanks all would be people who would get this same focus, if not MORE panel time and focus because they are purely a lot more enigmatic.

We know nothing about Kuma, Bonney or Urogue, alleged secondary characters, so why would he slow down after this arc? Why would he not give Vegapunk a ton of backstory?

I feel like you are thinking about this very backwards as its entirely the opposite of what Oda is even doing. You are using secondary characters as examples without realizing that eventually those characters you speak of WILL become relevant to an arc and be characterized more (like Law and Doflamingo).

Hes not going to decrease exposition and panel time going forward, hes going to increase it. Again, Doflamingo is a perfect example of this. Little panel presence before the timeskip, got a shot ton in his arc. Expect Kaido, BM, Blackbeard, Akainu and Im to have similar outcomes, not Less
 
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That is totally wrong though. He spent many chapters on Law who isn't a "secondary" character. He spends time characterizing villains, like Doflamingo, who long existed before his arc. Blackbeard, Im, Akainu and Shanks all would be people who would get this same focus, if not MORE panel time and focus because they are purely a lot more enigmatic.

We know nothing about Kuma, Bonney or Urogue, alleged secondary characters, so why would he slow down after this arc? Why would he not give Vegapunk a ton of backstory?

I feel like you are thinking about this very backwards as its entirely the opposite of what Oda is even doing. You are using secondary characters as examples without realizing that eventually those characters you speak of WILL become relevant to an arc and be characterized more (like Law and Doflamingo).

Hes not going to decrease exposition and panel time going forward, hes going to increase it. Again, Doflamingo is a perfect example of this. Little panel presence before the timeskip, got a shot ton in his arc. Expect Kaido, BM, Blackbeard, Akainu and Im to have similar outcomes, not Less
You are misunderstanding the secondary characters. Law has global outreach and so does Doflamingo. They had it from the very beginning they were introduced. But someone like Denjiro, Hyou, Kawamatsu or Hiyori has no global presence.

When we see people like Law or Doflamingo in panel, the story moves quite quickly. It when you see some old-timer like Hyou, the story stagnates. But Oda gave Hyou screen time because because he wanted us to feel Wano's desperation.

Kuma and Bonney aren't secondary characters. They are primary players in the global event. When Oda focuses on them, the story moves. That is not "waste" of chapters. So them being in the story doesn't lead to reduced pace as we have seen with Hyou/Kawamatsu etcetera.

am I naive for thinking that the pace will dramatically improve after Wano? Probably. But I still feel that when the story focuses on the primary players, the story actually moves quite a lot and quite quickly. So, the pacing improves a lot. And if the pacing improves, then the previous pacing can't be used as a reference point.

Let me ask you this: why Dressrosa or Wano is so long? Is it because of Law/Doflamingo or Kaido? Or is it because of Island-specific characters?
 
You are misunderstanding the secondary characters. Law has global outreach and so does Doflamingo. They had it from the very beginning they were introduced. But someone like Denjiro, Hyou, Kawamatsu or Hiyori has no global presence.

When we see people like Law or Doflamingo in panel, the story moves quite quickly. It when you see some old-timer like Hyou, the story stagnates. But Oda gave Hyou screen time because because he wanted us to feel Wano's desperation.

Kuma and Bonney aren't secondary characters. They are primary players in the global event. When Oda focuses on them, the story moves. That is not "waste" of chapters. So them being in the story doesn't lead to reduced pace as we have seen with Hyou/Kawamatsu etcetera.

am I naive for thinking that the pace will dramatically improve after Wano? Probably. But I still feel that when the story focuses on the primary players, the story actually moves quite a lot and quite quickly. So, the pacing improves a lot. And if the pacing improves, then the previous pacing can't be used as a reference point.

Let me ask you this: why Dressrosa or Wano is so long? Is it because of Law/Doflamingo or Kaido? Or is it because of Island-specific characters?
Okay I understand what you mean, but really only halfway. Dressrosa wasn't long just because of its inhabitants. The first half of the arc dealt with Luffys tournament and characterizing the strawhat fleet, all characters with eventual global presence. On the flipside you really only have Viola, Rebecca, Kyros and Riku. Compare that to everyone else in the arc. The first half also dealt a TON with Law vs Fuji and Doffy. In fact, Kyros's plot was pretty small in comparison to Laws and Doffy's, as well as the SHF exposition. On top of this, Law has the 2nd long flashback in the series behind Oden. Doflamingo got a 2 chapter flashback, like BM did 2 arcs later.

The same with Wano, but I get what you mean more. Many of the scabbards do have world presence, but I also understand your points about some like Kawamatsu, Denjiro, etc., we did spend 70 chapters mostly on Wano's problems, but we are at a point where it still feels like we havent truly are close to the end of Wano because, as of last chapter, the arc is seemingly becoming very Kaido centric. There is still tons of exposition for his crew, his history with BM, Rocks and Yamato.


But we, for example, don't know how Vegapunk's plotline is going to go down. If, let's say, Luffy and crew visits his facility, who knows how many sode characters and secondary villains Oda decides to draw here. Hes already teasing the SSG, or the Special Science Group. Strong emphasis on GROUP, another area where Oda may spend chapters on their history. Then you have Elbaf and its citizens, similarly to everything else. Then you just have possible arcs we know nothing about if they come into fruition.


Then when it comes to many different factions colliding by the EoS war, right there you have:

- Im, Gorosei, Kong, CP-0 whomever else on the WG side

- Akainu, Fuji, Ryo, Kizaru, Vice Admirals, Garp, Sengoku, Koby, whomever else

- Hancock, Kuma, Buggy, Weevil, Mihawk, Crocodile, Moria, and their fates

- All the supernova, but especially Bonney and Urogue for future plots

- The SHF and their apparent future incident.

- Blackbeard and his crew

- Shanks and his crew

- Dragon, his commanders

- Luffy, and ALL of his possible allies of they all assemble for the final war (previous arc characters, pirates like Marco, etc)


Its not going to be small at all, no matter how we can try chalk it up to secondary arc characters or plotlines. THESE characters need finality. They need panel presense. They all need backstories (many of them havent even gotten proper presence yet in a specific arc). They need endings. And that's not even including returning allies if they all join.
 
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