Controversial The hijacking of western entertainment made for men
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Mate... you are asking the wrong question. The good question is:
Why do progressist are in usually in majority in the entertainment industry ?
The answer is simple: To be a GOOD writer, you need to understand A MINIMUM how we function as a social specie and humans in general. You need to have empathy beyond yourself and your kins.
So, how do you expect conservatists, who have very little empathy for anything that is not them or their own clan, have any kind of understanding of the human behavioral evolution ?
There is only one way you will be able to have conservatist in majority in the media industry : If you force them to promote a fascist regime !
To write a story, you need have a reason to make society evolve, you need to project a vision of the world.
Who would want to see a movie where people are criminilizing migrant or showing that abortion is a devil's work ?
So...
Every good story tend to have a progressist vision of the world. It's just logical. And since all stories are political, you will mostly see either liberal or leftist stories in majority.
The reason why some stories are pushing more progressive agenda..
- Game of Throne
- Doctor Who
- Andor
- One Piece
- Ragnarok
- Star Trek NG
- Stargate SG1
(to quote you the ones I love)
... is simply because some writers are far more engaged in bringing a more progressive vision than others.
Sadly, liberal who want to make more progressive story tend to completely missunderstand what real progress is and make rightist progressive stories instead of leftist one.
Marvel is a good example of that (with some exceptions : Loki / What if / Jessica Jones etc.), they make fun stories, but they keep them liberal and white whashed which is really not amazing to create precise progressist stories. The movies will usually feel bland and inequal.
Why do progressist are in usually in majority in the entertainment industry ?
The answer is simple: To be a GOOD writer, you need to understand A MINIMUM how we function as a social specie and humans in general. You need to have empathy beyond yourself and your kins.
So, how do you expect conservatists, who have very little empathy for anything that is not them or their own clan, have any kind of understanding of the human behavioral evolution ?
There is only one way you will be able to have conservatist in majority in the media industry : If you force them to promote a fascist regime !
To write a story, you need have a reason to make society evolve, you need to project a vision of the world.
Who would want to see a movie where people are criminilizing migrant or showing that abortion is a devil's work ?
So...
Every good story tend to have a progressist vision of the world. It's just logical. And since all stories are political, you will mostly see either liberal or leftist stories in majority.
The reason why some stories are pushing more progressive agenda..
- Game of Throne
- Doctor Who
- Andor
- One Piece
- Ragnarok
- Star Trek NG
- Stargate SG1
(to quote you the ones I love)
... is simply because some writers are far more engaged in bringing a more progressive vision than others.
Sadly, liberal who want to make more progressive story tend to completely missunderstand what real progress is and make rightist progressive stories instead of leftist one.
Marvel is a good example of that (with some exceptions : Loki / What if / Jessica Jones etc.), they make fun stories, but they keep them liberal and white whashed which is really not amazing to create precise progressist stories. The movies will usually feel bland and inequal.
This idea that the left is so empathetic is ridiculous. They also care for their own interests. If someone dares to differ with their beliefs they respond the more or less the same way cuckservatives do perhaps even worse considering the differences in the demographics of the said groups.
None of what was mentioned in the OP or what you are saying these movies contain…showcase an understanding of the human condition. For example promoting feminism is already a fail in that so called vision you’ve:
1. pit man and woman against each other when they are supposed to be with each other
2. defied the physiological and pyschological norms by ignoring real differences in the pursuit of equality
3. Broken households by portraying motherhood in a bad light
4. Confused an entire generation of women, effectively ruining their lives.
What part of this for example shows an understanding of how we function?
None of what was mentioned in the OP or what you are saying these movies contain…showcase an understanding of the human condition. For example promoting feminism is already a fail in that so called vision you’ve:
1. pit man and woman against each other when they are supposed to be with each other
2. defied the physiological and pyschological norms by ignoring real differences in the pursuit of equality
3. Broken households by portraying motherhood in a bad light
4. Confused an entire generation of women, effectively ruining their lives.
What part of this for example shows an understanding of how we function?
You didn't understand. I did not say that the left is more empathetic. The conservatist can also be empathetic. What I said is that leftist (and some liberals) will be empathetic with people who are OUTSIDE of their circle or their value system.
This is the reason why you don't see conservatist be empathic for migrants, it's not in their program. They can become more empathetic but for that, they need to aquire something that they don't have and the left do :
The knowledge of the situation of people. (and accept it, mauybe the hardest part)
But once you start to get this knowledge, you will not stay a conservatist for long. Chances are that you will move toward the left. And if you are really taking the time to learn and you are engaged, you might even become a leftist or even a radical leftist like me.
But again, for that, you need to understand the situation and sociology of oppression and people in difficulty. Situation that contradicts conservatist values.
This is the reason why most conservatist media will fail or be really, really bad or have a LITTLE BIT of progressism in them.
Of course it does. But to understand that, you need to start to write stories. Trust me, it will be 10 time more difficult to write a good story with conservatist value than a good story with progressive ones.
Wrong.
Feminism is not a gender war. In fact, feminists do not hate men.
Feminism seeks for the equality of gender. For that, we need to understand that patriarchy is real.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038038589023002004
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/patriarchy
What "real differences" are you talking about ?
If you are talking about physical ones, those do exist and feminism does not seek to defy them. If you are talking about gender ones, those should NOT exist and we must therefore create a world where women and men are treated the same way.
This means the end of patriarchy and heteronormativity. Which is something that everyone who is a decent human being should seek :)
Wrong
No feminists portrays motherhood in a bad light. Feminism is about respecting the choices of women, even those who choose to be mothers. Stop watching Jordan Peterson.
Wrong.
I think you are the one being confused here.
All the feminist I know, read, watch and talked about are fundamentally more aware about oppressions and scientifically educated than the majority of people here.
Don't confuse your lack of understanding with a confusion of your political ennemies.
Since what you just said is a lot of BS, not much. lol
I hope they won't ruin it.
This is the reason why you don't see conservatist be empathic for migrants, it's not in their program. They can become more empathetic but for that, they need to aquire something that they don't have and the left do :
The knowledge of the situation of people. (and accept it, mauybe the hardest part)
But once you start to get this knowledge, you will not stay a conservatist for long. Chances are that you will move toward the left. And if you are really taking the time to learn and you are engaged, you might even become a leftist or even a radical leftist like me.
But again, for that, you need to understand the situation and sociology of oppression and people in difficulty. Situation that contradicts conservatist values.
This is the reason why most conservatist media will fail or be really, really bad or have a LITTLE BIT of progressism in them.
Of course it does. But to understand that, you need to start to write stories. Trust me, it will be 10 time more difficult to write a good story with conservatist value than a good story with progressive ones.
Wrong.
Feminism is not a gender war. In fact, feminists do not hate men.
Feminism seeks for the equality of gender. For that, we need to understand that patriarchy is real.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0038038589023002004
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/social-sciences/patriarchy
What "real differences" are you talking about ?
If you are talking about physical ones, those do exist and feminism does not seek to defy them. If you are talking about gender ones, those should NOT exist and we must therefore create a world where women and men are treated the same way.
This means the end of patriarchy and heteronormativity. Which is something that everyone who is a decent human being should seek :)
Wrong
No feminists portrays motherhood in a bad light. Feminism is about respecting the choices of women, even those who choose to be mothers. Stop watching Jordan Peterson.
Wrong.
I think you are the one being confused here.
All the feminist I know, read, watch and talked about are fundamentally more aware about oppressions and scientifically educated than the majority of people here.
Don't confuse your lack of understanding with a confusion of your political ennemies.
Since what you just said is a lot of BS, not much. lol
I hope they won't ruin it.
Well, wouldn't you say that it's logical to have less empathy for those who express opinion that creates oppressions ?
Leftists do have empathy for others OUTSIDE of their circles, simply not for those who are showing signs of problematic opinions or actions.
Take me for example. Look at the way I speak with someone like Nameless or Ravager and someone like Zemmi.
All conservative people, and yet, I make a BIG distinction in the way I speak to them.. why ?
For one simple reason : Zemmi NEVER expressed in front of me something that was fundamentaly toxic or hurtfull or problematic toward others. Of course, she expressed a form of rejection of progressive values, but I never saw her have transphobic or more problematic rethorics.. and so you can see that I purposefully chose to have more empathy when talking to her.
Leftist can be empathic toward conservatist, but you can't ask them to have empathy for someone who is want to hurt others.
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Concerning men, that's another subject. Yes feminist attack men a lot. In fact, most of the feminist I follow are very defensive against men.
But does this mean that they have 0 empathy ? Not at all. In fact, feminist have usually more empathy for men that men have for other men. Feminist are the one who will push for men who are victim of violence to speak, while other men will trash them. Feminism will often praise men who rise to the occasion and are good ally while other men and conservatist will trash those guys like crazy.
Again, it was debunked : Feminist do NOT hate men, it's a myth propagated by conservatist:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708
Feminist are simply VERY angry toward the system, patriarchy and those who will use those system to oppress women.
For example here in France, the #AntiHSM (anti-sexual harrasment and mysogynoir) was just launched after a circle of feminist finally got together to strike back against the oppression against black women. (black women being at the intersection of two form of oppression, racism and sexism, they are far more likely to suffer from harassment)
When you read the post of men on this #, yes, you understand the reasons why women are angry. Sexism, sexualization, revenge porn, sexist insult, dehumanization, pure racism, doxxing.. those women are living hell and it only went under the radar because women started to talk.
So, don't be upset because feminist are angry against men who act badly, be angry against those men !
You will see that feminist have nothing against men who act with respect.
Leftists do have empathy for others OUTSIDE of their circles, simply not for those who are showing signs of problematic opinions or actions.
Take me for example. Look at the way I speak with someone like Nameless or Ravager and someone like Zemmi.
All conservative people, and yet, I make a BIG distinction in the way I speak to them.. why ?
For one simple reason : Zemmi NEVER expressed in front of me something that was fundamentaly toxic or hurtfull or problematic toward others. Of course, she expressed a form of rejection of progressive values, but I never saw her have transphobic or more problematic rethorics.. and so you can see that I purposefully chose to have more empathy when talking to her.
Leftist can be empathic toward conservatist, but you can't ask them to have empathy for someone who is want to hurt others.
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Concerning men, that's another subject. Yes feminist attack men a lot. In fact, most of the feminist I follow are very defensive against men.
But does this mean that they have 0 empathy ? Not at all. In fact, feminist have usually more empathy for men that men have for other men. Feminist are the one who will push for men who are victim of violence to speak, while other men will trash them. Feminism will often praise men who rise to the occasion and are good ally while other men and conservatist will trash those guys like crazy.
Again, it was debunked : Feminist do NOT hate men, it's a myth propagated by conservatist:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/03616843231202708
Feminist are simply VERY angry toward the system, patriarchy and those who will use those system to oppress women.
For example here in France, the #AntiHSM (anti-sexual harrasment and mysogynoir) was just launched after a circle of feminist finally got together to strike back against the oppression against black women. (black women being at the intersection of two form of oppression, racism and sexism, they are far more likely to suffer from harassment)
When you read the post of men on this #, yes, you understand the reasons why women are angry. Sexism, sexualization, revenge porn, sexist insult, dehumanization, pure racism, doxxing.. those women are living hell and it only went under the radar because women started to talk.
So, don't be upset because feminist are angry against men who act badly, be angry against those men !
You will see that feminist have nothing against men who act with respect.
Watching the big success of projects like Black Myth Wukong and Deadpool and Wolverine
and the failures of shit like Acolyte, The Marvels, House of the Dragon S2. Snow White is also lined up to be going down the shitter.
hopefully the industry is watching where the money is going and will be making better choices going forward
and the failures of shit like Acolyte, The Marvels, House of the Dragon S2. Snow White is also lined up to be going down the shitter.
hopefully the industry is watching where the money is going and will be making better choices going forward
I watched some clips of it and tbf it's just horrible writing and misunderstanding of the lore
Star Wars is a classic fantasy like LOTR. Good vs Evil. You try to make a show where the Jedi are the baddies(badly written btw), Sith are the good guys and you will fail because that's just not understanding what the story is about.
Jedi can be as flawed as one can be, but ultimately they are the good guys in the battle with the sith. It's like trying to insert shades of gray into LOTR.
Star Wars is a classic fantasy like LOTR. Good vs Evil. You try to make a show where the Jedi are the baddies(badly written btw), Sith are the good guys and you will fail because that's just not understanding what the story is about.
Jedi can be as flawed as one can be, but ultimately they are the good guys in the battle with the sith. It's like trying to insert shades of gray into LOTR.
