General & Others Fanart: Big Mom vs Kizaru(One of the greatest works I ever seen).
Oda still does great fight.
The fight between Luffy and Kaido was amazing.
The fight between Zoro and King was amazing.
Etc.
The fight between Luffy and Kaido was amazing.
The fight between Zoro and King was amazing.
Etc.
Liked King vs Zoro and Luffy vs Kaido a lot too..
What we mean been for other fights, as example Kizaru vs Luffy or Law&Kid vs Big Mom.
Without fights, there gives no One Piece.
How villians in this manga are losing?
Via talking? Nope, fights.
No fights means no dream, no dream means no One Piece...
Luffy can´t get the One Piece without fighting it.
No one is denying how important story and lore is for One Piece.
But fights are in same core of importans as these both above mate.
Without Story>No One Piece
Without Lore>No One Piece
Without Fights>No One Piece
Fights been always a core key of the One Piece manga.
It is important, after all One Piece is a battle shonen manga.
The whole arcs always end with big fights.
All villians get defeated by fights.
Those were great fight. What problem did you have with those ?
Which doesn't negate the fact that fight are a tool to create a victory. I'm not undermining fight here. I'm just saying that :
Fights are used by Oda to help the narration. Fights do NOT create the narration.
Fights and dreams are two different things.
Technically it's possible but extremily unlikely.
No. Fights are not as important as the story in One Piece they are PART of the story. They are used by Oda to extend his storytelling.
Fight are therefore a tool, and not an end. They are necessary to include because the One Piece is still a shonen, but they are treated as a mean to help the story not something to look for.
Fights in One Piece are necessary because there is no other option.
Yes, because they are part of the story. They are not THE story. And that's what I'm trying to tell you since the beginning.
Here, with this fan art. The fight is treated as THE story. When in reality, this is not how it works in One Piece and it's not how it should work at all.
It's cool, it's badass, but it's meaningless.
No. They get defeated by the resolve of the characters. It's a tiny nuance but it's important.
This is why Ktakuri fell because of what Luffy told him and not because of what Luffy did to him.
Which doesn't negate the fact that fight are a tool to create a victory. I'm not undermining fight here. I'm just saying that :
Fights are used by Oda to help the narration. Fights do NOT create the narration.
Fights and dreams are two different things.
Technically it's possible but extremily unlikely.
No. Fights are not as important as the story in One Piece they are PART of the story. They are used by Oda to extend his storytelling.
Fight are therefore a tool, and not an end. They are necessary to include because the One Piece is still a shonen, but they are treated as a mean to help the story not something to look for.
Fights in One Piece are necessary because there is no other option.
Yes, because they are part of the story. They are not THE story. And that's what I'm trying to tell you since the beginning.
Here, with this fan art. The fight is treated as THE story. When in reality, this is not how it works in One Piece and it's not how it should work at all.
It's cool, it's badass, but it's meaningless.
No. They get defeated by the resolve of the characters. It's a tiny nuance but it's important.
This is why Ktakuri fell because of what Luffy told him and not because of what Luffy did to him.
Wow, imagine using fights as a tool for narrative purposes and you invent whole ability and combat systems for useless reasons such as the Devil Fruits, Rokushiki skills and ultimately, Haki...
If fights were just a means to secure the victory, Oda would have simply drawn a similar battle concept to the likes of Pirates of the Caribbean. Just pistols and swords, no superhuman strength, no weird abilities, no natural desaster powers, etc.
If fights were just a means to secure the victory, Oda would have simply drawn a similar battle concept to the likes of Pirates of the Caribbean. Just pistols and swords, no superhuman strength, no weird abilities, no natural desaster powers, etc.
Kizaru barely used a new skills.
No meaning of awakening, no haki display....
it was lackluster in compare how Oda draw Katakuri vs Luffy or Kaido vs Luffy.
Big Mom forget to use adv CoC, she even didn´t used it to punch Law...
The whole fight not a single time it was said if Big Mom was awakened or not.
Look how Oda draw another yonkou vs how he draw Big Mom vs Kid and Law...
There are levels.
Doesn´t change the fact that you can´t fulfill your dream in One Piece without fighting or can you mentioned me examples for Yonkous and other top tiers who can fulfill their dreams without fighting?
It is not possible, without fighting, Luffy wont beat Buggy,DonCriek and Arlong, he would die and everyone else who got saved by him, would also die or have a miserable life...
Without fightning Luffy then he would not achieve anything of what he has achieved through fighting, for example.
There is no possiblity that Luffy can save people without fighting, One Piece is not build like that.
So it means they are important, end!
There is no room, fightning in One Piece is important as story and lore.
Without fightning you wont have story, without story you wont have lore, without lore you wont have fightning...
You can´t have one if the other missing.
One Piece 3 keys core points are Story,Lore and Fightning/Battles, if you cut one, the One Piece manga wont work.
It is a fact.
And these characters need to fight to move in the story, without fightning there is no archive goal points.
One piece wont work without fights/battles.
Or can you prove me a way how Luffy would save everyone and survive without fightning in the manga?
No meaning of awakening, no haki display....
it was lackluster in compare how Oda draw Katakuri vs Luffy or Kaido vs Luffy.
Big Mom forget to use adv CoC, she even didn´t used it to punch Law...
The whole fight not a single time it was said if Big Mom was awakened or not.
Look how Oda draw another yonkou vs how he draw Big Mom vs Kid and Law...
There are levels.
Doesn´t change the fact that you can´t fulfill your dream in One Piece without fighting or can you mentioned me examples for Yonkous and other top tiers who can fulfill their dreams without fighting?
It is not possible, without fighting, Luffy wont beat Buggy,DonCriek and Arlong, he would die and everyone else who got saved by him, would also die or have a miserable life...
Without fightning Luffy then he would not achieve anything of what he has achieved through fighting, for example.
There is no possiblity that Luffy can save people without fighting, One Piece is not build like that.
So it means they are important, end!
There is no room, fightning in One Piece is important as story and lore.
Without fightning you wont have story, without story you wont have lore, without lore you wont have fightning...
You can´t have one if the other missing.
One Piece 3 keys core points are Story,Lore and Fightning/Battles, if you cut one, the One Piece manga wont work.
It is a fact.
And these characters need to fight to move in the story, without fightning there is no archive goal points.
One piece wont work without fights/battles.
Or can you prove me a way how Luffy would save everyone and survive without fightning in the manga?
All those technique serve the narration mate.
One Piece is all about exageration and it's a shonen so Oda is simply using the tropes of the shonen to his advantage.
One Piece is all about exageration and it's a shonen so Oda is simply using the tropes of the shonen to his advantage.
So... One Piece uses all the tropes of a battle shounen... soooooo... One Piece is simply.... a... battle shounen manga.
Though there are so many uses of her devil fruits, haki and physical abilities, even combinations of all of them that Big Mom could have done. If she could use her sonic scream in her normal mode, or simply uses the thunderclap enhanced with Armament and conqueror haki, or a pure lightning Homie, or a punch version of Elbaf techniques that would basically be a super version of King's Punch,etc...
Yes. Very lightly in this case. It's simply done to make a joke about the look of Senior Pink who look like a swimmer.
Not everything has to be amazingly deep mate ;)
Why the Heck would there need to be that ?
Kizaru was doing something he didn't want to do. He literally used as little techniques and motivation as possible. That's was literally the point.
Again.. you are trying to include things here.. that would be completely out of character and contrary to the narration.
Kizaru is lzy as F. and his story reflect that, he does NOT want to take actions and do NOT want to execute orders. So Kizaru is using an overpowered devil fruit but with the most lazy attitude possible.
So there is no chance that you will ever see him using conqueror Haki or awakening.. UNLESS you figure a way to make him REALLY invested in something. Which should not be the case in this fan art.
Mostly because she wasn't just like Kaido.
Awakening is a synchronization of the mind and the body with the devil fruit. So there is little chances that two raging figure like Kaido or Big Mom are awakened.
Now, for the "forgetting part" this is one of the essential and value of One Piece: Character are humans like, they make mistakes.
If Big Mom forgot to use all her move is because she was cocky as F ! She did not think she could lose, even until the end and therefore did not believe that she should be using all her strenght. The moment Big Mom uses all her strenght are the moments when she is TRULY mad.
Again.. The narration and characterization of the character is IMPORTANT and must be taken into account. If you make Big Mom uses all her ability, you simply stop treating Big Mom as a One Piece character and start treating her as a shonen robots who will depict techniques after techniques like a machine.
One Piece NEEDS this humanity. Character makes mistakes. It's fundamental to understand that to have an organic story.
What you people are seeking is Death Note in the form of One Piece battles. I'm sorry, but perfect characters who uses their most effective move techniques after techniques to counter their adversary do NOT exist in One Piece.
Yes. Big Mom is not as strong as Kaido who is not as strong as Shanks who was not as strong as White Beard in his prime etc. Yonko is a status of the character in the story, it does not mean that all Yonko will behave or be treated the same way.
Sanji needs to find the all blue. I'm not sure he will have to fight to get that. Same for Nami. Same for Brook. Same for Chopper. Same for Robin etc.
I'm not talking in the continuity of One Piece. I'm just looking at what is needed to reach the One Piece. This means that if you find a way to get get to the New world without fighting and sneak into both Yonko territory without being seen and take the Poneglyph, you have high chances of finding a way to get the other two without fighting and get to the One Piece without landing a single blow on someone. Of course, you would need a crazy devil fruit to do that, but I don't see that as impossible.. just very unlikely.
The reason why Luffy fight is because he encounters oppression.
Of course, that would not be One Piece, but technically it's possible.
Yes, they are important. But like other tools are important. They are a means to an end, not the end.
Also, we don't need fight to get lore.
No one is telling you that fights are not important. What I'm telling you is that fight are a TOOL and not and END. Meaning that they can't be used to create stories, it's the STORY who will need them to help the narration.
Yes. no one is denying that
By simply refusing to fight ?
Luffy saved Sanji not by fighting him but by making him understand that he needs to come back to feed him.
Luffy saved Robin Robin not because he fought, but because he made her accept to live.
Luffy saved Nami not because he fought Arlong, but because he made her rely on him.
Luffy save people with his resolve first and his fist second. No matter if they survive or not. If the character is not saved from their own cages first, they will not survive, even if they fight.
So of course, One Piece will push this cartharsis on fight, but the real one often happen before.
Guys can’t we appreciate the high quality fan work someone put together
It's amazing
Not everything has to be amazingly deep mate ;)
Why the Heck would there need to be that ?
Kizaru was doing something he didn't want to do. He literally used as little techniques and motivation as possible. That's was literally the point.
Again.. you are trying to include things here.. that would be completely out of character and contrary to the narration.
Kizaru is lzy as F. and his story reflect that, he does NOT want to take actions and do NOT want to execute orders. So Kizaru is using an overpowered devil fruit but with the most lazy attitude possible.
So there is no chance that you will ever see him using conqueror Haki or awakening.. UNLESS you figure a way to make him REALLY invested in something. Which should not be the case in this fan art.
Mostly because she wasn't just like Kaido.
Awakening is a synchronization of the mind and the body with the devil fruit. So there is little chances that two raging figure like Kaido or Big Mom are awakened.
Now, for the "forgetting part" this is one of the essential and value of One Piece: Character are humans like, they make mistakes.
If Big Mom forgot to use all her move is because she was cocky as F ! She did not think she could lose, even until the end and therefore did not believe that she should be using all her strenght. The moment Big Mom uses all her strenght are the moments when she is TRULY mad.
Again.. The narration and characterization of the character is IMPORTANT and must be taken into account. If you make Big Mom uses all her ability, you simply stop treating Big Mom as a One Piece character and start treating her as a shonen robots who will depict techniques after techniques like a machine.
One Piece NEEDS this humanity. Character makes mistakes. It's fundamental to understand that to have an organic story.
What you people are seeking is Death Note in the form of One Piece battles. I'm sorry, but perfect characters who uses their most effective move techniques after techniques to counter their adversary do NOT exist in One Piece.
Yes. Big Mom is not as strong as Kaido who is not as strong as Shanks who was not as strong as White Beard in his prime etc. Yonko is a status of the character in the story, it does not mean that all Yonko will behave or be treated the same way.
Sanji needs to find the all blue. I'm not sure he will have to fight to get that. Same for Nami. Same for Brook. Same for Chopper. Same for Robin etc.
I'm not talking in the continuity of One Piece. I'm just looking at what is needed to reach the One Piece. This means that if you find a way to get get to the New world without fighting and sneak into both Yonko territory without being seen and take the Poneglyph, you have high chances of finding a way to get the other two without fighting and get to the One Piece without landing a single blow on someone. Of course, you would need a crazy devil fruit to do that, but I don't see that as impossible.. just very unlikely.
The reason why Luffy fight is because he encounters oppression.
Of course, that would not be One Piece, but technically it's possible.
Yes, they are important. But like other tools are important. They are a means to an end, not the end.
Also, we don't need fight to get lore.
No one is telling you that fights are not important. What I'm telling you is that fight are a TOOL and not and END. Meaning that they can't be used to create stories, it's the STORY who will need them to help the narration.
Yes. no one is denying that
By simply refusing to fight ?
Luffy saved Sanji not by fighting him but by making him understand that he needs to come back to feed him.
Luffy saved Robin Robin not because he fought, but because he made her accept to live.
Luffy saved Nami not because he fought Arlong, but because he made her rely on him.
Luffy save people with his resolve first and his fist second. No matter if they survive or not. If the character is not saved from their own cages first, they will not survive, even if they fight.
So of course, One Piece will push this cartharsis on fight, but the real one often happen before.
Guys can’t we appreciate the high quality fan work someone put together
Lol, very heavily on cope on your case I guess. I guess it also serves as a joke that Machvise can increase his weight to thousands of tons. I guess Mr. 3 creating wax was always used for the sole purpose that Luffy was able to punch Magellan or free Ace with it. I guess Mr. 5 bomb abilities were also just used for narration. What's about Diamante's DF? Vergo's Fullbody Hardening - did it serve a narrative purpose in the story, as a tool to augment the story?
Exactly, just like it doesn't have to be amazingly deep to know that One Piece is simply a battle shonen manga. Your cope is funny and amusing I guess.
How would Luffy be able to save Dressrosa from Doflamingo if he refused to fight?
How would Luffy be able to escape Tottoland if he didn't stop Katakuri from attacking his crew?
How would Luffy be able to rescue Ace in the middle of a fucking WAR if he was refusing to fight?
What would be his solution in obtaining their shadows back from Moriah? Talking to him? Begging Moriah to give him his shadow back?
Telling Lucci and Co "Robin is our friend, so can I kindly ask you to let go of her?"
Luffy is no Yagami Light, nor a Lelouch who has a high scheming brain and thinks about 1000 high quality strategies in milliseconds. He said it himself, he practically can do nothing but fight.
That's fine and dandy but the bad guys aiming to behead her head would obviously disagree with Robin's survival lmao.
Exactly, just like it doesn't have to be amazingly deep to know that One Piece is simply a battle shonen manga. Your cope is funny and amusing I guess.
How would Luffy be able to save Dressrosa from Doflamingo if he refused to fight?
How would Luffy be able to escape Tottoland if he didn't stop Katakuri from attacking his crew?
How would Luffy be able to rescue Ace in the middle of a fucking WAR if he was refusing to fight?
What would be his solution in obtaining their shadows back from Moriah? Talking to him? Begging Moriah to give him his shadow back?
Telling Lucci and Co "Robin is our friend, so can I kindly ask you to let go of her?"
Luffy is no Yagami Light, nor a Lelouch who has a high scheming brain and thinks about 1000 high quality strategies in milliseconds. He said it himself, he practically can do nothing but fight.
That's fine and dandy but the bad guys aiming to behead her head would obviously disagree with Robin's survival lmao.
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You don't think that giving a character the possibility of increasing his body weight by thousands will be pertinent to create a great adversary against a giant ??
Again.. This about what the fight is telling.
No. It's simply to show a character who is very cocky about his power but brings his own weaknesse with him : Fire.
It's again.. a form of Irony and a Joke.
it's shows that the only real strenght of the dueto that are Mr 3 and miss goldenweek is to keep people in place.. like wax figure.
You could also go farther and say that it's a play on the thematic of the island. The duet being fighter who immobilize their ennemy to defeat them and the island being frozen in time.
Yes. But again, those were made for the joke. These agent have over the top power but are in reality completely useless on the field and defeated very easily. It's as simple as that. It's a play on their uselessness.
His devil fruit his a play on his name. He makes everything turns hard. It's again.. a joke that is milked around the thematic of the cards game. Were each cards form a family.
The devil fruit is an extention of that. And it makes a perfect devil fruit to make a armorless gladiator fight against. Diamante hides behind his devil fruit and his family to make horrible things.. But Kyros choose to stand in the middle of the field, without protection, to tank all his power.
In other words, Diamente's power are serving the story of Kyros and help show his will to stand for his family.. against all odds. In the finality, Diamente will break by a simple piece of wood on the grave of the mother. Thus showing that despite his hardenning ability and name or status, this guys was nothing but a weak murderer.
Vergo wa full of it. His full body hardenning was shown to help the reader understand that no matter how cocky or how much haki you show, it's the quality of your will that makes the difference, not the techniques.
It's much more than that.
That's because you don't understand what I'm saying sadly...
I'm not talking about current story, I'm talking in the potentiality of an event where the resolution is not meant to be a fight.
Again.. This about what the fight is telling.
No. It's simply to show a character who is very cocky about his power but brings his own weaknesse with him : Fire.
It's again.. a form of Irony and a Joke.
it's shows that the only real strenght of the dueto that are Mr 3 and miss goldenweek is to keep people in place.. like wax figure.
You could also go farther and say that it's a play on the thematic of the island. The duet being fighter who immobilize their ennemy to defeat them and the island being frozen in time.
Yes. But again, those were made for the joke. These agent have over the top power but are in reality completely useless on the field and defeated very easily. It's as simple as that. It's a play on their uselessness.
His devil fruit his a play on his name. He makes everything turns hard. It's again.. a joke that is milked around the thematic of the cards game. Were each cards form a family.
The devil fruit is an extention of that. And it makes a perfect devil fruit to make a armorless gladiator fight against. Diamante hides behind his devil fruit and his family to make horrible things.. But Kyros choose to stand in the middle of the field, without protection, to tank all his power.
In other words, Diamente's power are serving the story of Kyros and help show his will to stand for his family.. against all odds. In the finality, Diamente will break by a simple piece of wood on the grave of the mother. Thus showing that despite his hardenning ability and name or status, this guys was nothing but a weak murderer.
Vergo wa full of it. His full body hardenning was shown to help the reader understand that no matter how cocky or how much haki you show, it's the quality of your will that makes the difference, not the techniques.
It's much more than that.
That's because you don't understand what I'm saying sadly...
I'm not talking about current story, I'm talking in the potentiality of an event where the resolution is not meant to be a fight.
Found it in twitter, if Oda would done half of what the guy did, his battles would be one of the best in entire shonen jump, it is insane how much effort this guy put, this alone would hype both Big Mom(I really wish) and Kizaru to a whole new lvl, I like how effort he put to give Kizaru and Big Mom variations of unique skills, for me one of the best fanarts descript a battle of a Yonkou vs a Admiral. It shows how much potential One Piece fights would had if Oda would use them rightly...
He should ask this guy for help, his fight would increase for the better for 100%.
This is Big Mom with I always wanted to see...
Here the Chapter(the final result will come later once, teaser of both using awakening:
This is how you draw One Piece fight at maximum lvl, how you draw a perfect battle with all haki types(future sight, devilfruit power) in combination...
I love how this guy put everything in detial to draw amazing fightskills for Kizaru light power, it is unique and show how massive potential Kizaru light fruit has, same counts for Linlin devilfruit. Really someone need to send fights like this to Oda, so he can see what he can reach if he use the full potential of his villians and their powers.
I fucking love this, if One Piece fights would be like this, fuck every other Shonen mangas, they wouldn´t be even close to One Piece.
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He should ask this guy for help, his fight would increase for the better for 100%.
This is Big Mom with I always wanted to see...
Here the Chapter(the final result will come later once, teaser of both using awakening:
This is how you draw One Piece fight at maximum lvl, how you draw a perfect battle with all haki types(future sight, devilfruit power) in combination...
I love how this guy put everything in detial to draw amazing fightskills for Kizaru light power, it is unique and show how massive potential Kizaru light fruit has, same counts for Linlin devilfruit. Really someone need to send fights like this to Oda, so he can see what he can reach if he use the full potential of his villians and their powers.
I fucking love this, if One Piece fights would be like this, fuck every other Shonen mangas, they wouldn´t be even close to One Piece.
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