Questions & Mysteries Did the Marines/WG win in Egghead?

#21
Well, obviously. If not, the manga would have ended. And still It was needed Joy Boy to save the day.
They may have won because they have retained what they have, but in grander scale they have lost because they couldn't stop the SHP.
Yeah, but they completely failed to stop broadcast (the very reason 4 Gorosei showed up)
Their stopped one of the most sensitive message from spreading, so they did minimize the threat, they did ok job overall.
 
#25
We can't say they won. They only had one goal which was in common with SH it was VP and they didn't really succeed, even worse now we know VP wanted to die in EH

They also tried to Kill VP to stop his research about Void Century but everything was revealed to the world

Let's say It's a Win Win situation but they Lost far more than SH
 
#26
Pyrrhic victory imo.

They accomplished most of their goals but Saturn summoning all the Elders at the same place and reveal their true forms was not something they wanted to do.

There is also VP's message which is bad news for the WG.
 
#28
Not even the giants
The strawhats were fucked even with giant pirates

if emeth didn’t have his stupid joyboy haki rope then the strawhats would have gotten demolished
Shit i didn't realise Ethan was bigger than Sunny.

Is it another one of Oda's inconsistenies or he was always that huge.
 
#30
They secured York, Punk Records and the Mother Flame so can guarantee future uses of their ancient weapon, but beyond that things really aren't a clear cut victory. Their other primary objective was the elimination of Vegapunk which, for all intent and purposes, they failed to do. Lilith still being around is essentially the same as Stella escaping since she possesses the exact same knowledge they were trying to suppress.

They failed to stop the majority of the broadcast and now have a lot of cleaning up to do to preserve their image and twist the narrative in their favor. Thankfully for them, Punk (for reasons that make no sense considering what he knew for a fact) left things incredibly vague and didn't openly paint the WG in a bad light.

Bonney has been revealed to be the highest authority for the Pacifistas (including S-Bear?) and they failed to eliminate her on site. They will have to deal with the fact that a good chunk of their military strength is now compromised. Maybe York can do something about it although I don't see why Oda would set it up only for it to be resolved instantly.

And of course, Nika, their most feared enemy, managed to escape safely with his entire crew. All in all, it was mostly a bunch of completely unforeseen circumstances that held them back which is fairly standard for One Piece antagonists. Kuma's clutch save as they were about to be executed, the still unresolved mystery of who fed Luffy, the Giants securing the escape route and backing them up, the broadcast preventing the Gorosei from fully committing to the pursue, Emet and Joyboy making the last stand that allowed the crew to sail away unbothered, any of these things not happening would have led to a total WG victory.
 
#31
50/50

WG side
-killed stella
-protect York, the flame and other things
-get the seraphims, Pacifistas and CP0

SH side
-protect bonney
-escape

WG failed to stop the broadcast and also SH doesn't really care about the other two missions of WG. WG failed two missions and SH failed one big mission.
 
#33
Shit i didn't realise Ethan was bigger than Sunny.

Is it another one of Oda's inconsistenies or he was always that huge.
Did you skip zoro vs nasujuro?
:choppawhat:
He drawfed Sunny alone in hybrid.
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Lmao even with this.
Don't let anyone distract you from the fact vegapunk cucked the entire world government with telling people everything.
 
#35
They pretty much accomplished all their goals that they set out to do when they arrived on Egghead. Meanwhile the Straw Hats FAILED to protect Vegapunk (Stella)...

is this the first time the villains / antagonists win in an arc?

:quest::quest::quest:

They did, their only failure is that the Buster Call failed to eliminate the SHs again...

No, it's not the first time, Marineford war (if you consider Whitebeard Pirates as pro-protagonists) and Ace's execution were successful...
 
#36
Sengoku knew they accomplished their goal against WBP and didn't want any further losses.
it would not be further loss if marine = 4 yonkos and in this case: no admiral did a complete fight they all won by cheapshot free wins and they were 100 % HP garp sengoku + 3 admirals like if nothng heppened. they could have get rid of shanks crew + bb easily. still time and powers. and we know they want yonkos dead cuz they provoked wb while they could have killed ace directly without waiting for wb if he really ace was the real objective
come back when you get more reading abilty.
the simple answer is they can barely handle 1 yonko and his crew i'm speaking of all the marine
 
#37
it would not be further loss if marine = 4 yonkos and in this case: no admiral did a complete fight they all won by cheapshot free wins and they were 100 % HP garp sengoku + 3 admirals like if nothng heppened. they could have get rid of shanks crew + bb easily. still time and powers. and we know they want yonkos dead cuz they provoked wb while they could have killed ace directly without waiting for wb if he really ace was the real objective
come back when you get more reading abilty.
the simple answer is they can barely handle 1 yonko and his crew i'm speaking of all the marine
Well, 3 warlords joining was enough to be deemed an emperor's crew. Just don't think that Oda has the same powerscaling kink as this forum, he probably just means that they were the main military powers and there was an equilibrium among them.
 
#38
Well, 3 warlords joining was enough to be deemed an emperor's crew. Just don't think that Oda has the same powerscaling kink as this forum, he probably just means that they were the main military powers and there was an equilibrium among them.
the only reason why they considered BUGGY + MIHAWK + CROCO as a power team is only for buggy reputation as an equal monster to shanks and a roger mate, if not for that they would have never concidered em a yonko crew. mihawk is disrespected a marine as a weak guy, they dont see him an equal to wb or shanks but just as a simple guy as strong as a top commander or an admiral, they even believed easily that he could be a subbordinate to a presumed yonko
 
#39
Did you skip zoro vs nasujuro?
:choppawhat:
He drawfed Sunny alone in hybrid.
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Lmao even with this.
Don't let anyone distract you from the fact vegapunk cucked the entire world government with telling people everything.
Vegapunk wasn't even smart enough to lay the blame on the World Government. Most of Vegapunk's rambling was him revealing secrets of the world, yet never really revealing why these hidden facts of the world were kept away from the public. In all honesty, his message did little to no damage to the World Government's reputation.
 
#40
the only reason why they considered BUGGY + MIHAWK + CROCO as a power team is only for buggy reputation as an equal monster to shanks and a roger mate, if not for that they would have never concidered em a yonko crew. mihawk is disrespected a marine as a weak guy, they dont see him an equal to wb or shanks but just as a simple guy as strong as a top commander or an admiral, they even believed easily that he could be a subbordinate to a presumed yonko
If it were as you say his bounty would reflect it. They just think he is a very strong dude and an amazing schemer. They know Mihawk is stronger.
 
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