General & Others Pick your poison Big Mom or Kidd

#42
Big Mom is too weak to be relevant now, when her opponents were much weaker she could hardly perform. What would be the point of bringing her back just to get clowned again, but even worse this time around?

Kidd can benefit from coming back, both his character and his strength.
She is undefeated though. They had to gang up on her and she only went down when some random nukes fortuitously fell to her face.
 
#49
Big Mom's a weaker, less skilled version of Kaidou, she doesn't offer anything new to be solved as an antagonist. And no, she lost in Wano.
Her loss was a joke. They couldn't even put her down 2vs1 and she had to be defeated by random bombs falling down to her. By the way she had lesser external damage than Kaido and figured out Zoro's attack before him.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#50
Her loss was a joke. They couldn't even put her down 2vs1 and she had to be defeated by random bombs falling down to her. By the way she had lesser external damage than Kaido and figured out Zoro's attack before him.
Whatever the case, doesn't change anything. Not to mention she was begging for her life before the bombs. She wasn't able to fight.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#52
You will whine again when she is at elbaf
Ofcourse, who wouldn't? Even BM fans would.

While your kizaru will be crying and still won't be a major villain of any arc
I'd be pissed if Kizaru got the BM treatment, I'd rather him going through a mental struggle some character development, than go all out have misery as his best attack, and defeated by two hakiless rookies. Now atleast there's some hope he shows something later.

No top tier gets disrespected as much as BM, Oda would only bring her back to clown her even harder than he already did. Oda needs to focus on other characters instead of bringing BM back for his torture fetish.
 
#53
Ofcourse, who wouldn't? Even BM fans would.


I'd be pissed if Kizaru got the BM treatment, I'd rather him going through a mental struggle some character development, than go all out have misery as his best attack, and defeated by two hakiless rookies. Now atleast there's some hope he shows something later.

No top tier gets disrespected as much as BM, Oda would only bring her back to clown her even harder than he already did. Oda needs to focus on other characters instead of bringing BM back for his torture fetish.
Kizaru got worse treatment
He's a 2nd thought to a point he couldn't even dominate 2v1 battle against Luffy
Left the arc without beating anyone...even nerfed sentomaru was up minutes later to fight marines

That's how weak Oda sees Kizaru

Oda has to nerf BM 3 or 4x cause she's too powerful
While Kizaru was never nerfed

Kizaru denies slacking off or being nerfed
He never told Akainu "yes I was slacking off due to being mentally nerfed." That's why he tells him to come and see if he keeps doubting him
He gave his best vs Luffy, he just can't do much
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#54
Kizaru got worse treatment
He's a 2nd thought to a point he couldn't even dominate 2v1 battle against Luffy
Left the arc without beating anyone...even nerfed sentomaru was up minutes later to fight marines

That's how weak Oda sees Kizaru
Kizaru made G4 moot, and stalemated G5, as a side gig during the arc. Any shortcoming he had afterwards Oda excused with the VP plot. Nobody and I mean nobody, gets disrespected like BM. She is Oda's personal punching bag, atleast with Buggy he has him pull off miracles, with Big Mom she just gets clowned with very little upside. 2 arcs of complete clowning for Big Mom, and the payoff? Misery....bruh. I'm not even a Big Mom fan, and I was beyond disappointed with Oda.

You should be ashamed of yourself even defending this rn.

It makes no sense to bring her back, when she got clowned in arcs where the characters were much weaker and the focus on her was much greater.
 
#56
As per Kaidou's statement, g2/3 Luffy > Big Mom
I guess also G2/g3 > Shanks since that statement says "it's been a long time" despite fighting Shanks 2 years ago

Kizaru made G4 moot, and stalemated G5, as a side gig during the arc. Any shortcoming he had afterwards Oda excused with the VP plot. Nobody and I mean nobody, gets disrespected like BM. She is Oda's personal punching bag, atleast with Buggy he has him pull off miracles, with Big Mom she just gets clowned with very little upside. 2 arcs of complete clowning for Big Mom, and the payoff? Misery....bruh. I'm not even a Big Mom fan, and I was beyond disappointed with Oda.

You should be ashamed of yourself even defending this rn.

It makes no sense to bring her back, when she got clowned in arcs where the characters were much weaker and the focus on her was much greater.
Comeback when he can fight adhaki g2/g3 even, let alone damage G4 that katakuri can do easily

Imagine the best feat an admiral did was failing to damage g4 when katakuri can lol

The guy left the arc with zero combat win, no real damage done to anyone bar nerfed sentomaru
Lucci did better to sentomaru than he did lol

Linlin story isnt done. Wano ended her reign as Emperor but didn't conclude her character unlike Kaido's case
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#57
Imagine the best feat an admiral did was failing to damage g4 when katakuri can lol
Man if Wano Kidd and Law managed to defeat Kizaru, with his best attack being misery which did absolutely nothing and Law cut in half casually, I would be calling him by far the weakest top tier. Then to pour salt on the wounds, Oda had Kaidou make multiple disrespectful statements towards her. That's all there is to it.

Blame Oda, don't take your frustrations out on others.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
#60
Prove he fought Shanks.

Kaidou fought Big Mom on panel and then considered g2/g3 Luffy to be better 😭
The thing is, it's not like the statement is contradicted by feats. Genuinely, post sky split g2/3 Luffy had better feats than Big Mom showed against Kidd and Law, or anyone for that matter. The statement is pretty clear cut but it especially holds a lot of weight because it reflects what we saw.

Kid is already confirmed to be at Elbaf do
Where?
 
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