Controversial General Political Discussion

[Brush D. Teeth]

Welcome back,dude!

I see we have a Tsundere situation going on here...

LOLIS!

Look up Antonio Grasmci(Cultural Marxism) and professor Bezmenov(Soviet subversion theory) and you will understand my point. The EU is not the whole world. Russia and China have a strong presence in Latin America, Africa, The Middle East and Asia. The West has being corrupted by social engineering, collapse is a matter of time. The KGB/FSB is a way more efficient agency than the CIA will ever be. Just look at the state of Africa and Latin America: Communists and Socialists are everywhere. American militarism can't kill ideas. America itself has being a victim of cultural Marxism. A possibility of a civil war in America is a very real thing too.
As for insults, don't insult people in the first place and most people will be chill around you. You literally told me to move out of my homeland and that i wouldn't be missed. How is that not an insult? Put down the victim card.

I don't much about Gramsci, what I know is that he was unjustly imprisoned by the fascist regime and died in jail. China's and Russia's influence may be bigger now, but the USA and its allies has been interfering in South American for decades, killing the opposition and even establishing dictatorships. And it still has huge influence in many places like Argentina.
Cultural Marxism is a meme and is being pushed by capitalists who don't even pay taxes, not even actual Communist countries are like that.

They placed and detonated the bombs.

Biden said he wouldn't allow Nordstream II to stay online. Our chancellor was standing next to him at this time,only stupidly looking-as he always do. What a fucking retard and coward.

I for my part are absolutly sure they knew. The Greens were probably happy about it, same goes for the SPD.

But the dumbest are the people which are voting for these partys. But at leatst they got slapped hard last night on the election in Thuringia and Saxony.

I couldn't believe the headlines about the Ukrainian scapegoat lol, international newspapers saying that a bunch of Ukrainians just went for a barbecue, got drunk and decided to blow up critical European infrastructure. Truly retarded.

 

[Kami Burn]

I couldn't believe the headlines about the Ukrainian scapegoat lol, international newspapers saying that a bunch of Ukrainians just went for a barbecue, got drunk and decided to blow up critical European infrastructure.

The Wallstreet Journal said it was a Task Force not some dumb Drunkjards with a boat. To believe it was like you said in your post you realy need to be retarded to do so. A ukrainian taskforce makes more sense. Of course it also could be a US Operation,but I don't realy care. In both cases Germany need to end this toxic partnership with the US. And stop to simp to outside forces like the EU.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

The Wallstreet Journal said it was a Task Force not some dumb Drunkjards with a boat. To believe it was like you said in your post you realy need to be retarded to do so. A ukrainian taskforce makes more sense. Of course it also could be a US Operation,but I don't realy care. In both cases Germany need to end this toxic partnership with the US. And stop to simp to outside forces like the EU.

It was a taskforce going for a barbecue and getting drunk. And well, it was also an Ukrainian taskforce after all...

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

And stop to simp to outside forces like the EU.

Germany is the EU.
The EU allowed Germany to control large parts of Europe after it failed conquering it through military means (WWII).
Y'all Germans be complaining about EU overreach but other EU countries are subject to much more. Remember the financial crisis, Greece etc? How German politicians outright ridiculed the Greek citizens?

 

[Logiko]

America itself has being a victim of cultural Marxism

"Cultural Marxism" Literally the one scarecrow agitated by people close to Ben shapiro's ideology who don't understand what sociology is uncompass or means. If america is corrupted by Marxist then I'm the next president of Spain.

Grow up mate. Educate yourself about the subject.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Yes. Have you heard of the hostages' families and their protests? Netanyahu doesn't care about the citizens of Israel. He's a brutal war monger.

Yeah in Israel they are pissed

But I feel like Americans have a much less nuanced approach. Because Israel is under attack, Zionists feel like we need to have unwavering support for Israel.

But the issue is that Netanyahu and the actions his government has been taking aren’t really benefiting the Israeli people. Let alone the countless toll this war has taken on the people of Gaza.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

But I feel like Americans have a much less nuanced approach

Like always. Murica is such a bipolar society.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Like always. Murica is such a bipolar society.

this whole situation sometimes feels like people are treating it like a football game, as opposed to a conflict between two groups of people.

Like you can want Palestine to be free without wanting to destroy Israel. I feel like that kinda gets lost.

People on the pro Israel side tend to feel threatened by any sort of pro Palestine action, even if it tbh has nothing to do with them.

There are also people on the Palestine side who are needlessly radical or provocative to a fault.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

this whole situation sometimes feels like people are treating it like a football game, as opposed to a conflict between two groups of people.

You just reminded me of the Zelensky super hero edits during the early stages of the war

 

[NAMELESS]

I don't much about Gramsci, what I know is that he was unjustly imprisoned by the fascist regime and died in jail. China's and Russia's influence may be bigger now, but the USA and its allies has been interfering in South American for decades, killing the opposition and even establishing dictatorships. And it still has huge influence in many places like Argentina.
Cultural Marxism is a meme and is being pushed by capitalists who don't even pay taxes, not even actual Communist countries are like that.

I couldn't believe the headlines about the Ukrainian scapegoat lol, international newspapers saying that a bunch of Ukrainians just went for a barbecue, got drunk and decided to blow up critical European infrastructure. Truly retarded.

"Cultural Marxism" Literally the one scarecrow agitated by people close to Ben shapiro's ideology who don't understand what sociology is uncompass or means. If america is corrupted by Marxist then I'm the next president of Spain.

Grow up mate. Educate yourself about the subject.

Both of you are uneducated about Marxism,so there is no point in debating any further.

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Not really. I’m just trying to make it clear to you that I’m not interested in engaging with you. Hopefully you stop this weird obsession with me and start minding your own business.

fine by me.

 

[Logiko]

Both of you are uneducated about Marxism,so there is no point in debating any further.

Mate.. You really shouldn't brag about Marxism when your entire point of view is centered on ultra idealism, meritocracy, libertarianism, the complete absence of scientific awareness or knowledge of human sciences and the belief that cultural marxism, an antisemitic conspiracy theory, is a thing.

Really, tone down buddy.. you are ridiculizing yourself here.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

"Cultural Marxism" Literally the one scarecrow agitated by people close to Ben shapiro's ideology who don't understand what sociology is uncompass or means. If america is corrupted by Marxist then I'm the next president of Spain.

Grow up mate. Educate yourself about the subject.

ironically, cultural Marxism is an antisemitic conspiracy theory
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

yet Ben is friends with so many people who push this theory. What a bum.

 

[Brush D. Teeth]

Both of you are uneducated about Marxism,so there is no point in debating any further.

Sounds like the usual response. QED.

ironically, cultural Marxism is an antisemitic conspiracy theory
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory

yet Ben is friends with so many people who push this theory. What a bum.

It's nice to see that you have already learned their main move shortly after becoming one.

 

[NAMELESS]

Mate.. You really shouldn't brag about Marxism when your entire point of view is centered on ultra idealism, meritocracy, libertarianism, the complete absence of scientific awareness or knowledge of human sciences and the belief that cultural marxism, an antisemitic conspiracy theory, is a thing.

Really, tone down buddy.. you are ridiculizing yourself here.

I saw your leftist library thread,you didn't quote a SINGLE book in there. If you never read Marx ,Stalin ,Trotsky , Alinsky and Gramsci, you don't know what Communism/Socialism is about. You are woke/sjw propagandist. You are literally writing about stuff you don't understand for a tiny weeb community in a corner of the web that doesn't even care about your posts. Who needs to be educated and grow up again?

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you are ridiculizing yourself here.

Look yourself in the mirror. Your like/message ratio reflects what people think of your posts.

 

[Logiko]

Look yourself in the mirror. Your like/message ratio reflects what people think of your posts.

That's really your level of argumentation ?

you didn't quote a SINGLE book in there.

I did priviledge more accessible informations, not everyone likes to read book.

But wrong, I sourced toward one book (not linked as a book but as a source). A very important one that you should read: Abya Yala!: Genocício, resistência e sobrevivência dos povos originários do atual continente americano" - A sociological report by Moema VIezzer and Marcelo Grondin

Beside that, books are often linked as sources of studies and videos. Soif you want to check for book, you can check the descriptions :)

If you never read Marx ,Stalin ,Trotsky , Alinsky and Gramsci, you don't know that Communism/Socialism is about.

Indeed. And that's precisely why I don't consider myself as a communist just yet. But a simple radical leftist with a very reduced vision of communism. I will be potentially one once I really take the time to dive deep into the writings.

But I don't need to dive into the writings to understand how materialism or socialism or even communist works in the big structures mate. And that's something you fail to understand.

Not only that but you have a vision of leftism that's is completely biased. You understand nothing about materialism, nothing science, nothing about activism and nothing about marxism as a whole. (And that's saying a lot since I really only know the surface and I can already tell).

Again, Educate yourself. Not on marxism, but on simple human decency and sociology first. One you will start to undertstand how the world really works and not how you want it to work. Then you will be able to give me moral lessons or give moral lessons to others.

In the meantimes, sharing [Search your label HERE] based theories is really not the best move you can do.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

It's nice to see that you have already learned their main move shortly after becoming one.

Blud I’m just referencing a Wikipedia article

 

[Uncle Van]

I saw your leftist library thread,you didn't quote a SINGLE book in there. If you never read Marx ,Stalin ,Trotsky , Alinsky and Gramsci, you don't know that Communism/Socialism is about. You are woke/sjw propagandist. You are literally writing about stuff you don't understand for a tiny weeb community in a corner of the web that doesn't even care about your posts. Who needs to be educated and grow up again?

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Look yourself in the mirror. Your like/message ratio reflects what people think of your posts.

The reality about communism that no one thinks about is no one knows how to reach true communism. Karl Marx envisioned a society that was stateless, moneyless, and most importantly, classless. That was original communism. How do get to that point? How exactly would a society like that function and be sustained? No one knows because Karl Marx died before finishing his work.

We what we've have seen throughout the years we're alterations of communism like Lennism, Anarchism etc., and many dictatorships under a communist state took hold because of unstable political transitions.

So when we say "Communism has never worked", it's simultaneously true and false since we've never had true communism in the first place. However, attempts to bring about true communism and all these calls for revolution only means lots of death and the very high risk of a dictator emerging, as seen time and time again.

 

[Monkey D Theories]

Wikipedia is honestly a pretty unbiased source. Obviously quality differs article to article.

But you can read it and come to the conclusions yourself

Honestly just seems to me that the only difference between Jordan Peterson and open nazis is that while nazis will openly say “the Jews are doing cultural Marxism to take over the world”, Jordan Peterson will just be vague and dance around the topic.

Regardless I do think the theory comes from the far right and it is mostly spread by bigots. Sure you can argue that not everyone who spreads this theory is overtly antisemitic, but it is still spread by nazis in an overtly antisemitic fashion and I’d argue that even if people like Jordan Peterson aren’t explicitly stating that Jews are doing cultural Marxism, he’s still spreading a theory that pushes people in that direction.

You can even see the radicalization in real time by looking at what happened to Kanye. First he became a Trump supporter and started hanging out with Candace Owens, then at the end he was hanging out with Holocaust deniers and praising hitler.

 

[Logiko]

However, attempts to bring about true communism and all these calls for revolution only means lots of death and the very high risk of a dictator emerging, as seen time and time again.

I agree with that. That's why I can't really call myself a communist, and extrem leftist or even a revolutionnary. The system to apply is too fragile and we have not enough certitudes to be sure that such system would work and would not fall under an authoritative regime. So we need to go through trial and errors.

But we don't need to go toward communism right now to make things better. We can already render the society we live in much more fair and inclusive for all. But for that, we need to make sure that some people will participate in the effort. We simply can't expect to live in a fair society where some are unfairly more wealthy than the others.

This mindset might evolve, but I believe that we will arrive naturally at the system similar to communism without its negative point WITHOUT trying to create a big revolution. For that, we need to get rid of a lot of beliefs:

- Meritocracy must fall
- Rightist must understand that they are simply not on the right side no matter the subject
- Liberalism must end
- All social oppressions (ableism/Patriarchy/Systemic racism/imperialism and colonialism) must be understood COMPLETELY by everyone and attacked on a systemic level on the entire planet.
- Capitalism must be pushed back to its limits and be on the brink of disappearance.

And THEN.. the society will structure itself toward a better system.

But this can't be done if we don't take a radical leftist approach on politic everywhere. Radical meaning radical and not extrem. (extrem being revolutionnary).

 

[Kumathegoat]

I disagree.

There is no other option to capitalism than communism.

Progressism and woke agenda trying to push back capitalism are not going to work, just like minarchists always fail when fighting against anarchocapitalists.

Marx must be read and studied, just like Lenin and Slavoj Žižek.

Just give it a try, read Marx and study dialectical materialism

https://www.marxists.org/index-mobiles.htm