Controversial Pro Abortionists: A Hypothetical

[Oliver]

I am asking this out of sheer curiosity and it has nothing to do with my opinions on abortion.

You say that it's her body and her choice. You also believe that she should be able to kill whatever is inside her (baby for pro life, foetus for pro abortion) right up until whatever your cutoff point is, for some people it's until conception, for others it's as low as 23 weeks.

In fact some people go as far as to say 'parasites have no rights', so as long as it inside the woman it should have no rights.

So the question is this:

If someone attacked a pregnant woman, or ran her over and causes her to miscarry as a result, BUT the damage to the woman was largely superficial and nothing permanent (other than the miscarriage obviously), should they be tried for murder/manslaughter, or would some other punishment be more appropriate, because 'parasites don't have rights'?

Bear in mind that typical assault charges are just months on average or occasionally a few years.

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What the hell is this approval thing? I thought you guys were better than this.

*** Extra edit in case you're hesitant to respond because you think I'm trying to trap you in a debate, here is my current opinion on abortion below. Not interested in debating it either since that's not the point of the topic, I'm only adding this in because people get really precious about challenging them whilst also not stating your position ***

Spoiler: My Current Stance

I have no problem with abortion in principle, but until men have the same rights to back out of being a father - both financially and emotionally - I will never vote for a pro abortion law. This stance generally tends to piss off both sides so I see it as a win.

 

[AL sama]

What the hell is this approval thing? I thought you guys were better than this.

threads in this section need approval cause people can be pretty wild

I don't think anyone has a problem with that here

 

[Oliver]

Come on ladies I'm dying to hear your opinion on this. It was like a shower thought and I want to hear from the viewpoint of a completely pro-abortionist. Especially if you're one of the 'until conception' types.

threads in this section need approval cause people can be pretty wild

I don't think anyone has a problem with that here

Fine I forgive you.

 

[Kami Burn]

I want to hear from the viewpoint of a completely pro-abortionist.

So you want an echochamber and confirmation of your own beliefs?

 

[Oliver]

So you want an echochamber of your own beliefs?

I asked for opinions, not straw manned ad hominems.

Not looking to debate at all actually, just want to hear opinions.

 

[Kami Burn]

not straw manned ad hominems.

Chill, I was only asking without intends.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

whatever is inside her (baby for pro life, foetus for pro abortion)

Stupid categorisation. It's the same anyway, purely semantics.

 

[Haoshoku]

Come on ladies I'm dying to hear your opinion on this. It was like a shower thought and I want to hear from the viewpoint of a completely pro-abortionist. Especially if you're one of the 'until conception' types.



Fine I forgive you.

They don’t frequent this section so you’ll only have the trolls like Bisoromi above responding. Only lady I have seen around here is Zemmi.

 

[Daniel]

Would the perpetrator who caused the loss of a child in the mother's womb be charged with manslaughter (or possibly even murder) in a case where a crime resulted in bodily harm or injury?

IMO, they should be, since the child in the womb would have eventually grown into a newborn baby (and, by extension, a human being).

Reasoning above is important because if the life inside of the womb is considered as a living being, it also means that by causing its death, the perpetrator is also responsible ending a human life, regardless of its stage of development.

 

[Oliver]

Would the perpetrator who caused the loss of a child in the mother's womb be charged with manslaughter (or possibly even murder) in a case where a crime resulted in bodily harm or injury?

IMO, they should be, since the child in the womb would have eventually grown into a newborn baby (and, by extension, a human being).

Reasoning above is important because if the life inside of the womb is considered as a living being, it also means that by causing its death, the perpetrator is also responsible ending a human life, regardless of its stage of development.

FUCKING FINALLY!

One person and counting

Although would you say you are anti-abortion then? Because if you say this as a pro-abortionist, it does sound contradictory, which is sort of what I'm getting at.

 

[Daniel]

FUCKING FINALLY!

One person and counting

Although would you say you are anti-abortion then? Because if you say this as a pro-abortionist, it does sound contradictory, which is sort of what I'm getting at.

This is a TOUGH topic to make a decision on. There's going to be some rough language (not necessarily rule-breaking, but hard to swallow) when I edit this post to fill in the details again.

Simplified: After a certain period of time, the baby begins to develop to the point where physiological changes in the mother become noticeable, indicating that the baby has grown enough to start resembling the shape of an actual newborn. If the mother decides to abort the child at or after this stage, she is consciously choosing to reject the baby's existence, thereby permanently denying him or her the opportunity to experience life—regardless of how good or bad that life might turn out to be in the future.

The reason(s) for the mother undergoing the abortion procedure does not change the reality that, in the end, she chose to end her own baby's life. Her decision to make, and unfortunately, her responsibility...unless she lived through something similar to a one-child policy system where it was illegal for a family to have more than a single child.

 

[Roo]

If the fetus is on it's third trimester or so yeah, I think at that point we consider it a very likely baby.

Like imagine charging murder for a clump of cells that just started developing a week ago lmao

 

[Monkey D Theories]

So the question is this:

If someone attacked a pregnant woman, or ran her over and causes her to miscarry as a result, BUT the damage to the woman was largely superficial and nothing permanent (other than the miscarriage obviously), should they be tried for murder/manslaughter, or would some other punishment be more appropriate, because 'parasites don't have rights'?

No, I think this crime would be better classified as aggravated assault(which would still justify a lengthy prison sentence)

Fetuses aren’t people. They are technically alive but don’t have anything that could be considered personhood.

Sure, the fetus could possibly turn into a person. Or could miscarry. But in the current state, a fetus doesn’t have any real personhood. Their brains are too underdeveloped to be considered people.

 

[Blax Blah]

I think abortion is murder, in the sense that a child is killed, but evil doesn't excuse evil, and I think giving a state more control over people's bodies is also evil, abortion can be lessened or disappear as the reasons people have it do, like for example, making sure we all have what we need and having amazingly great communities,