Who did More to capture Garp?


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Mihawk is sitting around and joined up with Crocodile, who had the plans, the funding, the manpower.

You're not the least bit worried that, in the final arcs of the manga, Mihawk is still as relevant as any other time?
The plans that they were literally cooking on panel before they were interrupted by Buggy? What funding? Manpower? Just Mihawk and Daz, so basically Mihawk.
I'll let you do all the worrying. :kobeha:
 
Absorbing heat is harder to counter. You can’t get out of it by just breaking the ice, like Garp did. You need to outright negate the powers like Law did with Doc Q, but it will likely take far more haki to counter an awakened logia.
 
@Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier According to Admiral fans, Luffy has never gone all out because he never intends to kill his enemies. Meaning Luffy is confirmed to have held back against Kizaru
What a dumb strawman argument.... Oda does care about not killing enemies, Luffy does not, he only thinks about how to defeat them. Did you seriously compare that to a man fighting his old sensei while spitting lots of sentimental stuff?
 
Bruh what? You thought this entire time Kuzan is just spreading ice? Lmfaooo

He has the chill chill fruit, he freezes things. Jozu got frozen so badly here, that simply him falling split his arm into pieces.

Also, freezing =/= absorbing heat, it's removing it.
I feel bad for Jozu here this shit was nasty
Poor guy looked away for one second and immediately turned into a popsicle
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
Whitebeard having FS is again, speculation no?
Kaidou being a FS user was especially surprising indeed, when he suddenly pulled it out to handle Snakeman.
It’s about the portrayal. The OP community long ago used to place much higher value on portrayal than they do now apparently.

Whitebeard is a high top tier even in old age. He was stronger than Kaido and Shanks at least in one point in his life. Therefore we can assume pretty safely that Whitebeard has his own means of combatting top tier FS users like Kaido and Saint Shanks. Which in this case yeah is probably FS since Whitebeard doesn’t have any speed based fruit or anything like that.

but other Admirals don't get to use his feats just like how other Yonkou don't get to go off by Shanks' 10 second-ish FS.
But the other Admirals do benefit from the overall level Kizaru showed. So we can assume any Admiral deals with Snake Man with just as little effort as Kizaru did. They may not speed blitz it but Snake Man is a low-ish diff for any Admiral based on Kizaru’s showing.

And I guess that’s my point with Marineford Whitebeard. Aokiji dodging Whitebeard’s stab is an indicator that he could deal with TB just as easily.

Well, if Whitebeard or Garp turn out to be FS users themselves... i will say that Aokiji's reactions would look much better than what it is now.
Before Kaido showed FS, I would have said the chances of Whitebeard and Garp having better CoO than Kaido were 100%. My opinion hasn’t changed.

I was just talking about the single question of "whether Aokiji dodges Kaidou's TB?".
The thing about TB is I always just kind of assumed it was like, a standard attack for a top tier. TB got wanked as hard as it did because Kaido was fighting a bunch of high tiers.

Once Luffy unlocked AdCoC, he could easily match TB with just a punch. And that’s really how I always saw TB. Any top tier would easily match TB with their own signature attacks. It’s not some blindingly fast attack, it’s just that Kaido was fighting weak opponents. TB was immediately reduced to the level of base Luffy’s punches as soon as he unlocked AdCoC.

So yeah, I don’t think Kuzan would really have any trouble with TB, the same as Whitebeard’s stab which was a stab intended to kill an Admiral. The people who think TB would start one shotting other top tiers don’t understand what a top tier is lol.
 
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TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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Well said, fellow Shiryu enjoyer.

What do you think Kuzan's awakening will entail?
Not too sure where I stand with Kuzan. The pages & official translation will matter a lot to me, because in previous chapters it would imply Kuzan is lying here. But there's the chance that, off-screen, Kuzan did go for the kill. We do see ice impaling Garp after all.

If he has more in the tank, IMO he's gotta be lying. But I personally was hoping for a pirate Kuzan or a Kuzan doing his own thing, not another Drake.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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The plans that they were literally cooking on panel before they were interrupted by Buggy? What funding? Manpower? Just Mihawk and Daz, so basically Mihawk.
I'll let you do all the worrying. :kobeha:
:willight:.... Where do you think everything came from? All of Buggy's resources belonged to Crocodile, as he was the one to invest in Buggy.

Who called who with a plan?

Mihawk's been sitting around doing nothing all manga and you're happy about that lol. Fucking Dragon's gotten more screen time these past 50 chapters, more development than Mihawk.
 

ZenZu

The only one who can beat me is me
Not too sure where I stand with Kuzan. The pages & official translation will matter a lot to me, because in previous chapters it would imply Kuzan is lying here. But there's the chance that, off-screen, Kuzan did go for the kill. We do see ice impaling Garp after all.

If he has more in the tank, IMO he's gotta be lying. But I personally was hoping for a pirate Kuzan or a Kuzan doing his own thing, not another Drake.
Perhaps he quickly used awakening off screen to down Garp?
 
It’s about the portrayal. The OP community long ago used to place much higher value on portrayal than they do now apparently.

Whitebeard is a high top tier even in old age. He was stronger than Kaido and Shanks at least in one point in his life. Therefore we can assume pretty safely that Whitebeard has his own means of combatting top tier FS users like Kaido and Saint Shanks. Which in this case yeah is probably FS since Whitebeard doesn’t have any speed based fruit or anything like that.



But the other Admirals do benefit from the overall level Kizaru showed. So we can assume any Admiral deals with Snake Man with just as little effort as Kizaru did. They may not speed blitz it but Snake Man is a low-ish diff for any Admiral based on Kizaru’s showing.

And I guess that’s my point with Marineford Whitebeard. Aokiji dodging Whitebeard’s stab is an indicator that he could deal with TB just as easily.



Before Kaido showed FS, I would have said the chances of Whitebeard and Garp having better CoO than Kaido were 100%. My opinion hasn’t changed.



The thing about TB is I always just kind of assumed it was like, a standard attack for a top tier. TB got wanked as hard as it did because Kaido was fighting a bunch of high tiers.

Once Luffy unlocked AdCoC, he could easily match AdCoC with just a punch. And that’s really how I always saw TB. Any top tier would easily match TB with their own signature attacks. It’s not some blindingly fast attack, it’s just that Kaido was fighting weak opponents. TB was immediately reduced to the level of base Luffy’s punches as soon as he unlocked AdCoC.

So yeah, I don’t think Kuzan would really have any trouble with TB, the same as Whitebeard’s stab which was a stab intended to kill an Admiral. The people who think TB would start one shotting other top tiers don’t understand what a top tier is lol.
Why are you comparing a stab from weakened Sickbeard to TB lol
 
Gigabeard is also more of a active villain than all of the Admirals combined though..
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The difference for me is that admirals were introduced as WG employees, powerful and high-ranked but employees nonetheless. I never expected them to try to shake the world or change the statu quo, they’re here to defend it if any.
Fujitora moved the story forward with his disbanding the shichibukai thing but I don’t think he qualifies as a villain

Yonko are all leaders of their own group aiming for the One Piece (with the exception of Whitebeard) and aim to be a the top yet only Blackbeard has been constantly moving things forward the moment he became one. I think Law even pointed out how prior to WB’s death everything was in a deadlock
 
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