Who did More to capture Garp?


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ConquistadoR

The Rogue Prince
Big Mom literally fought Kaido for hours if not even days and proved on panel she can compete with his speed just fine or do you think Kaido was so kind he was standing around to make it fair ?
God the amount of braindead arguments you bring to drive this agenda home is impressive.
Big Mom fighting Kaido is proof of my argument.
And that's the same nonsense that Big Mom fans cry about when asked about how she would handle TB's speed.
It's full of bullshit, going off of offpaneled BS rather than on panel feats.

But she reacted to it and dished out the exact same speed, how is it any different lmao?
If she can dish out the same speed she can use that same speed to dodge.
No she didn't, why lie?
She starts using her TB and Kaidou then responds with a TB of his own and they both exchange attacks.


She's only that fast when using that Technique, just like Kaidou.
And to read & dodge the move, FS + gear 2nd was the baseline requirement.

You already do a good enough job at downplaying Kaido by saying there are 3 characters all in the YC1 ballpark that can react to Kaido's fastest attack just fine, can you show me the commanders that are proven to react to Garp trying to blitz them ?

What part of this don't you get. Blitzing a Top Tier > being dodged by YC1s. This usually wouldn't need this long when your agenda wouldn't cling on it.
The one "YC1" who can dodge Thunder Bagua is a future sight user with better reaction speed than any Admiral except Kizaru as per the feats shown.

Aokiji- not so sure. Akainu matched him for 10 days. They likely have similar fruitless abilities.
I think Akainu will have a unique combat style much like the other Admirals but i don't think him and Aokiji will share the same exact one.

You sure about that?


Whitebeard mastered all three types of Haki and Aokiji still dodged him.
This example was used a lot to argue that Aokiji is also a FS user.
But it's time we leave speculation aside and using what's being shown on panel, no?
Or do you believe a simple stab from old Whitebeard is so fast that Aokiji used FS there, too?

So far, i think Kizaru can easily dodge TB. Aokiji doesn't based on what happened in Hachinosu.
 
Hashirama wasn't really relevant because his soul was devoured by the Shinigami, at a point in the story where he specifically wasn't designated as the strongest Hokage. The second he comes back to life, Hashirama's presence has Madara jizzing himself.

Mihawk's got free reign to do anything now and Oda really decided to not have Mihawk involved, lore wise, in any event in the manga. Not one.

Idk how that isn't worrisome to you guys. I'm sure he'll have a cool 4 chapter fight with Zoro, but he's only gonna amount to a beefed up Zoro-Opponent at this rate.
I thought he was involved in the OP race and part of the only group that wants to something more than just eat, sleep, pillage, rape and kill.
You still in 2020. :crazwhat:
 

Elder Lee Hung

Conqueror of the Stars
I think Akainu will have a unique combat style much like the other Admirals but i don't think him and Aokiji will share the same exact one.
For sure but Akainu is the bulkiest Admiral so his physical strength is probably the highest I would assume.

This example was used a lot to argue that Aokiji is also a FS user.
But it's time we leave speculation aside and using what's being shown on panel, no?
Or do you believe a simple stab from old Whitebeard is so fast that Aokiji used FS there, too?
It’s not really a matter of speed, when you are attacking with FS, your attacks are far more difficult to dodge than someone attacking without FS.

We know Whitebeard mastered all three types of Haki, so him having future sight is not at all far fetched, especially when both Saint Shanks and Kaido had it, Kaido in particular seemed to be a mindless brute with no dodging ability but Oda gave him FS anyway lol. So Whitebeard having it is not at all unbelievable imo.

Using only what is shown on panel as opposed to story portrayal has been showed to be invalid time and time again. Who could have predicted Kuzan having punching power on par with Garp before Beehive?

So far, i think Kizaru can easily dodge TB. Aokiji doesn't based on what happened in Hachinosu.
If Whitebeard had FS (extremely likely), Aokiji dodging his stab would mean he would dodge TB just as easily. Idk, I don’t think Aokiji would treat TB any differently from the way he treated Whitebeard’s stab lol.

Idk why people think Kuzan vs Garp is a valid way to address how Kuzan would approach other matchups. Garp is basically Kuzan’s adopted father, Kuzan would treat a fight with Kaido far differently than he’d treat one with Garp.
 
Reading the King/Doffy parallels are very forced lol. They work if you stretch them very thin.

King/Queen/Kata both have one thing in common, alternatively. They're each intentional reflections of their oppponents.

Katakuri has similar powers to Luffy, they fought in the mirror world and both work overtime to defend their crew/family
Queen is a fat, perverted cyborg versus Sanji, a perverted chef augmented by science.
King is a stoic swordsman loyal to his captain, who rescued him. Zoro is well... More or less the same. Both even made the same vow to never lose.

They're each blatantly inversions of their Strawhat opponent lol. there's no need to invent parallels like "both lived on the redline" or "bird", which hold no weight.
Not really

Most of their opponents have similar traits to them in general. That’s not a new thing
The similarities between luffy and kata were more abundant and in your face. The same way zoro and shiryu seem to be

Crocodile daz and benthem also had similarities to the monster trio same with Moria ryuma and absalom. Again that’s nothing new

Both being originally from the red line is a big parallel
Marco and king are the birds of the crew and obviously parallel each other. Laffite is also a bird and will parallel them. Doflamingo having a bird theme is relevant in this case
 
Hashirama wasn't really relevant because his soul was devoured by the Shinigami, at a point in the story where he specifically wasn't designated as the strongest Hokage. The second he comes back to life, Hashirama's presence has Madara jizzing himself.

Mihawk's got free reign to do anything now and Oda really decided to not have Mihawk involved, lore wise, in any event in the manga. Not one.

Idk how that isn't worrisome to you guys. I'm sure he'll have a cool 4 chapter fight with Zoro, but he's only gonna amount to a beefed up Zoro-Opponent at this rate.
Since Mihawk's first appearence it was stated he's the Wss, the fact he just used non-named attacks, had the balls to try and go for whitebeard in marineford, and possibly the only one for years who could fight in a "even" way against shanks, just keep telling us that he's not gonna be just some "barrier" for zoro to surpass, theres something else there. Remember when Kaido saw the shadows of Roger, Shanks, Oden behind Luffy after the latter used AdvCoC for the first time? honestly thats my headcanon now, but that doesn't mean Kaido doesn't think Mihawk's strong enough to be on that list, maybe they just didn't crossed each others path lol
 
I think the Sunny Crew is on Lodestar

Elbaf seems like it has the potential to be a massive arc. We don’t even know who the villain of elbaf will be.

I think we could possibly get a small arc between egghead and elbaf to set up the elbaf arc.

Lodestar is one of the only other major islands in the NW that we know of. It wouldn’t make much sense if the SHs skipped this island altogether, as we were told it was important. I believe it’s where Roger learned of the poneglyphs, so something has to be there.

I think Lodestar could basically be like Egghead, with a significant focus being placed on events occurring to major figures around the world.

If Bonney got a spotlight in Egghead, I think Urouge could get a spotlight in Lodestar.
 
If it's common sense, how'd the majority of the Zoro fandom get it wrong:kobeha:
Idk they stupid. Admirals>Normal commander exception ofcourse Rayleigh, EOS Zoro, etc.... and also they understand that BB crew is making gains not at their EOS self. BB crew grows along with SH. They are Unique in that way. Even Van auger still learning his fruit. Most of them just got their fruit. They are the bizarre SH. They going to be goofy, they going look bad at points but in the end they will be at the top. The only tricky thing is Shillew and Mihawk deliemma. I can't figure out how Oda will solve this
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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I thought he was involved in the OP race and part of the only group that wants to something more than just eat, sleep, pillage, rape and kill.
You still in 2020. :crazwhat:
Buggy is in the PK race, mihawk/Crocodile got dragged. What's worse, Crocodile has an agenda, Mihawk is legit just... There in Cross Guild. He exists to be the straight man to Buggy these days
 
I think the Sunny Crew is on Lodestar

Elbaf seems like it has the potential to be a massive arc. We don’t even know who the villain of elbaf will be.

I think we could possibly get a small arc between egghead and elbaf to set up the elbaf arc.

Lodestar is one of the only other major islands in the NW that we know of. It wouldn’t make much sense if the SHs skipped this island altogether, as we were told it was important. I believe it’s where Roger learned of the poneglyphs, so something has to be there.

I think Lodestar could basically be like Egghead, with a significant focus being placed on events occurring to major figures around the world.

If Bonney got a spotlight in Egghead, I think Urouge could get a spotlight in Lodestar.
She wearing viking clothes my guy
 
I think the Sunny Crew is on Lodestar

Elbaf seems like it has the potential to be a massive arc. We don’t even know who the villain of elbaf will be.

I think we could possibly get a small arc between egghead and elbaf to set up the elbaf arc.

Lodestar is one of the only other major islands in the NW that we know of. It wouldn’t make much sense if the SHs skipped this island altogether, as we were told it was important. I believe it’s where Roger learned of the poneglyphs, so something has to be there.

I think Lodestar could basically be like Egghead, with a significant focus being placed on events occurring to major figures around the world.

If Bonney got a spotlight in Egghead, I think Urouge could get a spotlight in Lodestar.
They are not in Lodestar, Nami is already in a viking outfit.
 

TheAncientCenturion

I will never forgive Oda
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The similarities between luffy and kata were more abundant and in your face. The same way zoro and shiryu seem to be
Far more abundant than King having the same fundamental meeting with Zoro, then making the same pledge? Like King has the same parallel Shiryu shares with Zoro, then +1 on top of that.

Queen literally having his 3 core characteristics mimicked from Sanji (love of food, Sanji is a chef, Queen is fat, both are perverts, Queen is a willing cyborg, Sanji is an augmented human).

But "bird" and "redline" is more substantial lol?
 
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