Who did More to capture Garp?


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Kizaru and Kuzan are equal.

One's kick doesnt even do a lick of damage to Franky, gets blocked by Sentoumaru... trash that Lucci one shot. While the other punches as hard as Garp.

Unbelievable right? Almost as if each fighter can have their own abilities, strengths and weaknesses while being near equals in overall level.
Someone who treats Snakeman like fodder trash
And someone who has no answer to TB, something easily dodged by base Luffy

Those two cannot be in the same tier
 
Aokiji has a certain baseline of speed that all allows them to compete with Kizaru. Every Admiral does.
From their entire position as Admirals, we can automatically conclude, that:

1.) All Admirals have the default stats as reaction, movement, attack and combat speed to keep up with each other. They all can use Rokushiki and are skilled Haki users, proficient CoO and ACoA/Ryuo.

2.) An extension of the 1st argument, they should be able to at least perceive Kizaru's basic light speed moves.
They should be able to handle Yata no Kagami, Ama no Murakumo and Yasakani no Magatami. Are they as fast as Kizaru? No, but their balanced stats as top tiers allow them to react and intercept most of his attacks.

3.) Then we distinguish between their best stats, in that case, it's Kizaru's speed.
I said, they can handle light speed but Kizaru can even accelerate his light speed, logically, it should go even beyond light speed as light speed is constant. Snake Man managed to handle Kizaru before but he didn't have an answer to Kizaru's accelerating attack. He got straight up blitzed.

4.) Kuzan would be blitzed from acceleration too, it's obvious af. However, unlike Snake Man, who is a pure brawler and can only rely on his stretching fists and arms, Kuzan is a freezing man who can instantly freeze everything around his surroundings. Kizaru's acceleration has a charging point -> enough time for Kuzan to prepare a huge ice wall to intercept Kizaru from blitzing the shit outta him.

Top tiers have some default stats but they also exceed in some stats which makes them special. With Kizaru, it's his defence and speed. In Kuzan's case, it's his AoE, AP and punching strength. In Fujitora's case, it's his AoE, CoO and swordsmanship. In Aramaki's case, it's AoE, CoA (Ig due to his black blade) and swordsmanship. In Akainu's case, we have to find out his other special skill aside of AoE and high penetrative AP. Would be interesting if Akainu is actually the all rounder among all admirals; highly fast, strong physique, great CoA, great CoO and ACoC or whatever.

It's asisine to believe Kuzan technically doesn't hold a candle to Kizaru. With this reasoning, we can conclude that nearly all top tiers cannot handle Kizaru's speed.
 

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How is a fight between them possible. Explain. Aokiji one shots Kizaru if he lands one hit and Kizaru blitzes Aokiji into oblivion.
Idc for that fight to make logical sense to you lmfao. What i know is the outcome of the fight and the difficulty based on how Akainu vs Aokiji was portrayed.

And I care for what was shown on panel featwise, for Aokiji & for Kizaru. It's not my problem if the Light Man embarasses Aokiji in speed and if Garp's student embarasses Kizaru in striking power, take that up with Oda.
 
Garp and Sengoku belong in the same ballpark. Roger might have fought with Garp more, but he nonethless looked forward to facing either of them, like he said in the flashback. Even if Garp was stronger than Sengoku, I have no reason to place a big power gap between them.

The issue, as always, is part of the fandom not giving the current Admirals similar respect. Despite things pointing otherwise. The current gen is being gifted so much as fighters (broken logias with likely awakening, supreme/black blades etc.) and one (Akainu) is the only marine history confirmed to defeat another top tier in his prime (Aokiji) in a straight 1v1 one. After basically burying WB as well. And under his rule, the Navy is stronger than ever before. If you think the Navy of prime Kong, Sengoku, Garp, Tsuru etc. was impressive, the current one is meant to be even more powerful.
 
No way Kaido was really going all out against Yamato when he was scolding her and « teaching » her whole time during the fight
And when he went hard COC mode against Luffy just after that
Kaido was slowly going all out against luffy post Yamato fight. He even says it was long time since anyone was able to give him a good fight. Showed higher levels of attack like roaring TB and death destroyer TB. And finally island level fire magma mode coated with adv coc. Yamato doesn't come close to full power waido.
 
Idc for that fight to make logical sense to you lmfao. What i know is the outcome of the fight and the difficulty based on how Akainu vs Aokiji was portrayed.

And I care for what was shown on panel featwise, for Aokiji & for Kizaru. It's not my problem if the Light Man embarasses Aokiji in speed and if Garp's student embarasses Kizaru in striking power, take that up with Oda.
Good. So we are done with this. In summary. It is an agenda that contradicts itself and you aren't capable nor willing to explain how it would logically work out lol.

Keep saying Admirals are equal but incapable to compete just like Big Mom fighting Kaido for days doesn't mean she can compete with him.😂
 
Cause we know that even after all those feats these guys are equals since they fought on equal terms

Not really
Kaido and Bigmom fought for 3 days and became buddies after that ( we also know that kaido didn’t use drunken mode and Bigmom didn’t even bleed )
This is nowhere close to kuzan and aokiji fighting for 10 fuckin days and actually going all out and being at each other’s neck

we got narrative proof that kaido didn’t go all out , it’s simply not the same case with kuzan and akainu

Really ?

Kaido is known as the world’s strongest creature lore wise
And he also didn’t show his full arsenal against Bigmom
Kaido is just another emperor like big mom his non-existent title doesn't put him above her. We already saw them fight to a draw in death match and throughout onigashima he wasn't put above her.

Ironically your doing the very same thing you've been trying to mock Akainu fans for putting him above kuzan
 
He put bombs on her hands because he knew her base is gonna no sell them right?

Yamato's first reaction after the explosion went off is saying that her father intended to kill her.
Let me repeat it again for you, slowly:

When Kaido is beating the shit out of her, he was telling her that her lot in life is ruling Wano. And yet you think he was trying to kill her while telling her that at the same time.
 
Let me repeat it again for you, slowly:

When Kaido is beating the shit out of her, he was telling her that her lot in life is ruling Wano. And yet you think he was trying to kill her while telling her that at the same time.
Yes and it is confirmed by the fact that he put explosive shackles on her. He gave her a choice and if she went the other way he was okay with killing her. Literally what I've been saying. He went past the border of killing his child. Having plans for her to rule over Wano doesn't contradict that. If she refuses, she dies.
 
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